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At 5/3/09 03:21 PM, Diederick wrote: What motivates me to relief people from supernaturalism back into reality, is the desire to do good. Which obviously doesn't come from a religious motivation. I think (read: I don't believe, I KNOW) it is better for someone to face reality and base their lifestyle on that, than to lose oneself to a placebo, which has more side-effects than I like.

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Deluding yourself isn't illegal. Also it isn't just religion, people play role games, pretend to be someone/something they are not. People dress up & play make believe.
So by picking on the religious, will you eventually get to others at a later date ?

Not that all religion is equally bad, it's just that they're not the best a person can do. So I'm really just trying to help - I'm not looking for an ego-boost scavenging for converts, I'm being a good citizen.

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While there are definately some good about religious belief's I also think that they should be treated like every other 'business' out there.
They should pay taxes, they should not be allowed to call their faith "better" than any other, because frankly none of them can prove any of their claims.
When one claims to represent the devine, & one has absolutely no proof, this IMO needs to be pointed out & kept in the forefront of everyone's mind when thinking about what religon's claim & what can be proven to be true.

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Faith is basically blind belief. When someone believes something 100% that is when they are willing to save themselves and go to houri, get there 72 virgins, and bomb that family of innocent little infidels.

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At 5/9/09 01:12 PM, morefngdbs wrote: Deluding yourself isn't illegal. Also it isn't just religion, people play role games, pretend to be someone/something they are not. People dress up & play make believe.
So by picking on the religious, will you eventually get to others at a later date ?

Well, there's a major difference. People in the latter areas don't actually believe it to be true, whereas the group in the former does believe it to be true.

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At 5/10/09 11:29 AM, Ericho wrote:

At 5/9/09 01:12 PM, morefngdbs wrote: Deluding yourself isn't illegal. Also it isn't just religion, people play role games, pretend to be someone/something they are not. People dress up & play make believe.

Well, there's a major difference. People in the latter areas don't actually believe it to be true, whereas the group in the former does believe it to be true.

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I suppose thats true, as I said there's no law against deluding yourself.
But do you not wonder sometimes about the fact that some people who believe in invisible omniputent beings, & are considered completely normal & those who believe in UFO's are held in contempt by most mainstream people & surprisingly the very religious will be the first to make fun of those who do believe in "flying saucers"
Believing in the Flying singing spagetti god makes as much sense in my mind as believing in an all powerful being who lives up in the sky (is invisible ) & watches us all the time -dum-dum-dum- DUMB !

I am much more prepared to believe in the possibility of life elsewhere in the Universe, than the invisible all powerful omniputent whatchamacallit .

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At 3/21/09 03:11 AM, poxpower wrote:

At 3/21/09 03:01 AM, Triented wrote:

Still in all however, Islam deserves respect for being so devoted to their faith. I completely oppose the ways that some Muslims express their devotion, but it is still, so tight of a bond to devotion, that they deserve the respect.

See, people like you just don't get it.

Poxpower is absolutely right. Any one who has such "devotion" to their religion to kill people, isn't expressing their devotion. They are expressing MADNESS, and should be treated as MADMEN. Do you respect someone who kills people at random and then says that "God told them to do it?" No. You put them on death row or in prison the rest of their life. If there was a God, he wouldn't be advocating murder. He would advocate love, respect, and peace. Expressing THAT would be devotion to a religion. Religion complicates the world because people misunderstand the meanings of the teachings, so some go out and shoot up people, blow up buildings, and fly planes into towers. If there was no religion and only spirituality, the world would be a MUCH better place.

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At 5/10/09 09:31 PM, dude23 wrote: Poxpower is absolutely right. Any one who has such "devotion" to their religion to kill people, isn't expressing their devotion. They are expressing MADNESS, and should be treated as MADMEN.

Of course! People might have their own reasons for killing, like say, it's a matter of personal pride, but it greatly affects other people, so no personal reason can justify murder.

If there was a God, he wouldn't be advocating murder. He would advocate love, respect, and peace. Expressing THAT would be devotion to a religion.

My thoughts exactly.

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If there was a God, he wouldn't be advocating murder. He would advocate love, respect, and peace. Expressing THAT would be devotion to a religion.

Why do you think that God advocate murder? We believe in afterlife and we believe that God`s revenge will come after your death...if you want to kill someone just because he killed then you`ll be same as him. If you want peace then you can`t kill or do other bad things (you can only send him to jail)...

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At 5/2/09 11:22 AM, morefngdbs wrote: ;;;While you are not ...right !

Almost a sentence.....

In any case, my apologies, I forgot sarcasm buttons are broken on NG. I was doing the ususal "theists are stupid because" and reversing it.

;;;;everything is a NWO conspiracey bullshit with you dude...you really need to get out more.
The radio show that that site links too is pretty interesting.

No, I don't consider everything an NWO conspiracy. I consider bullshit propaganda trying to pass off as history and archaeology bullshit, NWO or otherwise.

Yeah it existed as a graveyard...not as projected in the bible.

Not the point.
That site was not trying to differentiate between what archaeological remains have provided compared to biblical description, it was trying to deny the existence of the site at all.

This shit is offensive to me as a HISTORIAN, nothing more, nothing less.

Archaeologists rarely agree with others views ...they all want their view to be mainstream & one only needs to look at any subjective archaeologist site & you get more than one view.

What the fuck are you talking about?
Am I talking to Dr. More? I didn't realize you had such carnal knowledge on how the minds of archaeologists worked! Where did you get your doctorate from, it sounds like a wonderful school.

Seriously, you are talking right out your ass, and you know it. You've met maybe 1 archaeologist in your life, I guarantee it.

I hold your opinion to be somewhere on the scale which requires magnification to actually see.

And yours is somewhere between left field and the 3rd row bleachers.

This site has links etc. to the fallicy of Christianity...the plagerism of earlier religion's dogma & in some cases exactly transfered. Like virgin birth, son of god etc.

You know what else has links?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity _of_Jesus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_
Jesus

But I offered it up to point out the extremists views on Christianity... like Ken Humphrey's .

Because all Christians are like Ken Humphrey.
I guess that makes all atheists like Dawkins.

Which by the way has fuck all to do with atheism...just because someone doesn't believe in Jesus or the Christian god...it doesn't automatically make them an atheist.

A well constructed sentence. Has nothing to do with ANYTHING, but a well constructed sentence nonetheless.

You make the mistake of thinking I'm attacking you, and that this offends me as anything other than a person who studies this time period intimately.

You should be smart enough to differentiate me calling you an idiot, and calling your argument idiotic.

And I wouldn't have a problem with the site if it didn't try to use bad history and archaeology to back it's points. They could have said everything they did, but the minute they said "history proves XYZ" they failed, and failed hard.

Besides, it sounds like you believe whatever they tell you. Have you done any of this research on your own? Have you bothered to critique what they feed you, or are you just gobbling it up because you agree with the main message of Christianity being bollocks?

Have a little honesty, and look through what people who KNOW the period have said about the topic, form your own decision, and stop buying into every little idiot's site that comes along and agrees with you.

Here, if you don't wanna bother with the above, cut right to the chase.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus-myth_
hypothesis
REAL arguments, that acutally hold water and shit. I'd rather you copy-pasta something concrete if you're just gonna be a parrot and not think for yourself.

Like I said, your garbage site didn't offend me as anything other than someone who has spent a long time studying that information.

Have a nice day.

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At 5/11/09 11:19 AM, Mar666 wrote: Why do you think that God advocate murder? We believe in afterlife and we believe that God`s revenge will come after your death...if you want to kill someone just because he killed then you`ll be same as him.

Well, I personally don't beleive that. I know probably most religious people do, but that isn't me.

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At 5/10/09 03:18 PM, morefngdbs wrote: I suppose thats true, as I said there's no law against deluding yourself.
But do you not wonder sometimes about the fact that some people who believe in invisible omniputent beings, & are considered completely normal & those who believe in UFO's are held in contempt by most mainstream people & surprisingly the very religious will be the first to make fun of those who do believe in "flying saucers"
Believing in the Flying singing spagetti god makes as much sense in my mind as believing in an all powerful being who lives up in the sky (is invisible ) & watches us all the time -dum-dum-dum- DUMB !

The Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't sing.

I am much more prepared to believe in the possibility of life elsewhere in the Universe, than the invisible all powerful omniputent whatchamacallit.

Which is of course based on reasonable possibilities.

Religious belief, other than roleplaying or whatever; is that it is ignorance on a more subconscious level. It's quite genius when you think about it, much like a drug addiction it sticks harder through time and quantity. People who believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster are wholely aware that they're praying for more pirates to stop global warming hoping the invisible omnipotent FSM will hear them and do something - is utter nonsense. That's the beauty of Pastifarianism, it's blind faith, without the blindfold.

I'm just rambling here. What I'm trying to say is that your earlier reaction to my post has been undone by the notion that religion is unlike other forms of "belief" since it isn't really belief anymore, people think they KNOW God is their shepherd, while there is absolutely no proof whatsoever. No real proof that is...

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At 5/12/09 05:37 PM, Diederick wrote: Religious belief, other than roleplaying or whatever; is that it is ignorance on a more subconscious level. It's quite genius when you think about it, much like a drug addiction it sticks harder through time and quantity.

Well hey, I'm sure a lot of us have had good times with drugs.

People who believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster are wholely aware that they're praying for more pirates to stop global warming hoping the invisible omnipotent FSM will hear them and do something - is utter nonsense. That's the beauty of Pastifarianism, it's blind faith, without the blindfold.

Wait a minute! Praying for more pirates? Isn't that coming true?!

I'm just rambling here. What I'm trying to say is that your earlier reaction to my post has been undone by the notion that religion is unlike other forms of "belief" since it isn't really belief anymore, people think they KNOW God is their shepherd, while there is absolutely no proof whatsoever. No real proof that is...

They don't know, they just say they do, but in reality they don't.

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No one's alittle curious about this?

At 5/11/09 10:43 AM, Ericho wrote: If there was a God, he wouldn't be advocating murder. He would advocate love, respect, and peace.

And how did you come to this conclusion?

Expressing THAT would be devotion to a religion.

You realize how freakishly redundant it is to say that right?

THAT is what God advocates. All you needed to do was clarify the list of things God advocates, which you did - though I'm still confused as to how you derived the list.

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At 5/12/09 03:12 PM, Imperator wrote: Seriously, you are talking right out your ass, and you know it. You've met maybe 1 archaeologist in your life, I guarantee it.

;;;Actually growing up near Louisburg, Cape Breton Nova scotia ...I have met a few more than 1 archaeologists. Working in film & going to places like the digs on Citadel hill, Georges island & Louisbourg fortification digs...I've met more than one at each of these as well, & they rarely are in complete agreement with each other, even the historical written record has gaps, & inconsistancies.
Especially when one gets into something like the 'Oak Island Treasure site' so yeah at least 1 'eh.
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I've also worked with Paleontologists & paleoethnobotanists at the Joggins World Heritage site in Nova Scotia & Gros Morne Nat park & Mistaken Point Nfld. Theories are often in disagreement between members of these scientific communities over specific's which are not yet proven.

Like I said, your garbage site didn't offend me as anything other than someone who has spent a long time studying that information.

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What studying the work of others...ever actually done any work yourself (& I don't count your school time as work) temperature controlled enviorment, your off to lunch, sleep in your own bed ...life's tough for the student ! Or studying the works of other that were teacher selected...that's wonderful how great for you.

Christianity is a scam...there is a shitload of archealogical sites that have recorded religious observence that is EXACTLY the same as what the bible of the Christians claim to be their own. but it predates Christianity by thousands of years. Your look into history using say the bible as your guide cannot help but be twisted, simply by the fact the book is a work of heavily edited fiction by multiple authors/ writers.

I read just recently about 50% of people in America believe in possible UFO's but many are afraid to come out in the open because of the 'stigma' of being labeled a crank/crackpot.
I also read how about 90 % believe in God.
But there is no more proof of actual Alien UFO's, than there is for God.
So it is obvious that some of those who believe in God also believe in UFO's. (seeing as 90% of the population believe in some omniputent being)
One group, the religious are taken to be sane, decent, regular, folks...& the other group is looked at by a greater amount as being 'not quite right' & all of them have exactly the same 'proof' for their belief's !

Have a nice day.

You as well, have a great Victoria Day week-end (for those of you not Canadian it is a 3 day long weekend )

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I don't think we have to respect any religious view just don't bitch at people and act like your spiritual path is better than someone else's.

Athiests, some agnostics and religious types can all avoid a lot of drama if they both didn't bitch at eachother.

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At 5/14/09 11:59 AM, PowerRangerYELLOW wrote: I don't think we have to respect any religious view just don't bitch at people and act like your spiritual path is better than someone else's.

If we don't respect religious views, why should secularists views be respected? Yeah, we shouldn't say our spiritual path is better, but we can not do that and respect religion. In fact, the two go hand and hand.

Athiests, some agnostics and religious types can all avoid a lot of drama if they both didn't bitch at eachother.

That's what I'm saying, but they can respect each other too.