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There are many religions in the world, some that turn the McDonald's Diet, into the McDonald's diety, but one thing in every religion to be kept dear is devotion.
Islam, a religion discriminated against in the United States, looses respect due to their punishable ways, and killing of millions.
Still in all however, Islam deserves respect for being so devoted to their faith. I completely oppose the ways that some Muslims express their devotion, but it is still, so tight of a bond to devotion, that they deserve the respect.

You may think that I'm talking just of terrorism, you're wrong. I talk also of the theocracy that it has formed. Saudi Arabia, to us, may not seem like the best of countries to live, but I respect Saudi Arabia not FOR being a theocracy, but AS a theocracy.
If there is any theocracy that is strictly bonded to one religion, then it is Saudi Arabia.

Terrorism, not all of it is done by Muslims. There are also Christians that blow up abortion clinics (Killing more people than one Abortion would.)
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At 3/21/09 03:01 AM, Triented wrote:

Still in all however, Islam deserves respect for being so devoted to their faith. I completely oppose the ways that some Muslims express their devotion, but it is still, so tight of a bond to devotion, that they deserve the respect.

See, people like you just don't get it.
On one hand you praise people for having a strong faith, but on the other you chastise them for whatever actions they do according to the faith.

You can't say "man I praise this dude for loving his God so much he'd kill babies" and then go "what? He actually killed a baby? That bastard!".

Stop being idiots. Jeez.

And another thing: don't respect people for "having faith'. What the fuck is that? Do you respect people in general when they say "hey this is my opinion and no one will ever change it EVER!". No, you call them "psychos" or "maddox".

And another thing: don't respect people for "having faith'. What the fuck is that? Do you respect people :in general when they say "hey this is my opinion and no one will ever change it EVER!". No, you call :them "psychos" or "maddox".

Yes I do respect those people, Every person is entitled to their right to personal opinion. With my opinion of the right to opinion, I shall respect all opinions. Now I am entering common knowledge and courtesy, it's called "Not being an asshole."
I don't go around calling the Methodists Psychos for being Methodists their whole life and not following any of my baptist views.

Hence the Quote by William Pansky:

"Though I see it as blue and you see it as red, neither of us is right and neither of us is wrong. For all we know, it might not be red or blue at all. It might be purple if someone else besides us sees it as such. And on top of that - red, blue, purple, or any other describing word is just that... a word. Now, from what we have gathered here"

At 3/21/09 03:01 AM, Triented wrote: There are many religions in the world, some that turn the McDonald's Diet, into the McDonald's diety, but one thing in every religion to be kept dear is devotion.
Islam, a religion discriminated against in the United States, looses respect due to their punishable ways, and killing of millions.
Still in all however, Islam deserves respect for being so devoted to their faith. I completely oppose the ways that some Muslims express their devotion, but it is still, so tight of a bond to devotion, that they deserve the respect.

You may think that I'm talking just of terrorism, you're wrong. I talk also of the theocracy that it has formed. Saudi Arabia, to us, may not seem like the best of countries to live, but I respect Saudi Arabia not FOR being a theocracy, but AS a theocracy.
If there is any theocracy that is strictly bonded to one religion, then it is Saudi Arabia.

Terrorism, not all of it is done by Muslims. There are also Christians that blow up abortion clinics (Killing more people than one Abortion would.)
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It seems like you are confusing extremists with normal Muslims.

Being an Iranian and growing up with Muslims around, I can tell you they don't sacrifice goats or any of that shit.

It seems you are being another asshole promoting steriotypes created by the American government to produce hate towards other cultures.

No no no, not at all, I wasn't infact trying at all to promote or demote any kind of steriotyping. If given a choice, I'd demote such a thing, I understand that in the Qua'ran, and the Bible, it is said to kill certain people for certain things, but naturally, we would get tired of doing it and just make peace. I'm sorry if you got the wrong idea. I was only singling out extremists, not Muslims, my apologies for using the term wrong.

At 3/21/09 04:07 AM, Triented wrote:

:: I understand that in the Qua'ran, and the Bible, it is said to kill certain people for certain things

Not true (unless my knowledge of the bible is wrong), Christianity is strongly Anti-Violence.

At 3/21/09 03:30 AM, Triented wrote: Yes I do respect those people, Every person is entitled to their right to personal opinion. With my opinion of the right to opinion, I shall respect all opinions. Now I am entering common knowledge and courtesy, it's called "Not being an asshole."

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If they have a right to their opinions, than anyone else has a right to disapprove.
Respect is earned, it isn't just given.
I should respect Jeffery Dalmer, because he was so good at killing & eating young men?
I would rather be an 'Asshole' than follow your ideas.

Why should I respect anyone who's religious views , put a woman's rights to be less than a mans rights?
I should respect someone who's beliefs have them whip themselves until they're bloody & battered, that's just fucked up dude & IMO isn't even worth noting...never mind respecting. Personally people with issues like this, need professional mental help.
Any religious belief that puts any persons rights above the rights of any other person is not worthy of any respect, because it is then, a CULT.

A chicken is just the egg's way of producing another egg.

At 3/21/09 09:59 AM, LazyDrunk wrote: A chicken is just the egg's way of producing another egg.

;;;really ?
I though the egg was just the chickens way, of making another chicken !

Well, I feel that Stallin was truly connected to his faith about the workers revolution.

Therefore, 100% respect for the man.

Or how about this, you don't respect someone who puts thier faith into any activity that requires ( I swear to god if I hear somone bitch about comparitive morality) you to take away someone else's rights or life.

At 3/21/09 10:12 AM, morefngdbs wrote:

At 3/21/09 09:59 AM, LazyDrunk wrote: A chicken is just the egg's way of producing another egg.

;;;really ?
I though the egg was just the chickens way, of making another chicken !

Then you're a creationist who thinks the chicken came first. Somehow. Really, how does the chicken come first without divine intervention?

Science says that simpler forms evolved first, and considering an egg is a single cell, what makes you believe the chicken initiates the sequence of reproduction?

Why should we respect someone for being devoted to their Religion?

At 3/21/09 03:30 AM, Triented wrote:

And another thing: don't respect people for "having faith'. What the fuck is that? Do you respect people :in general when they say "hey this is my opinion and no one will ever change it EVER!". No, you call :them "psychos" or "maddox".

Yes I do respect those people, Every person is entitled to their right to personal opinion.

No you don't respect them you liar. You don't respect anyone who's opinion it is to do actions you're against. You just said it.

You say "oh I totally respect you" but YOU ARE A LIAR. You respect anyone's opinion as long as they do what YOU think is ok to do.

Do you respect Hitler's opinions?
wooooooops

Would you respect someone like Hitler more if he said "I'll never change my mind, that's how strong I believe in myself!" or if he said things like "This is what I think, let's discuss it to see if i'm right to think this".

It's more of a rethorical question because you'd have to be really INSANE to pick "choice 1".

Now I am entering common knowledge and courtesy, it's called "Not being an asshole."

Oh so what about my opinion that it's ok to be an asshole?
You started the respect police, then get on board and do it you hypocrite.

Point and case here, religion should have died out hundreds of years ago, with the evolution of science. But religious zealots breed, brainwash their children to believe, and then they breed and so on and so forth.

Ask someone why they believe in a god. 6/10 times, they'll tell you that they either dont know, or because everyone else believes in it.

Religion is an escape, like drugs or alcohol. Grown-ups should not have imaginary friends.

science is its own religion. it requires its own faith. the main difference being, there are no personified deities. other than that, there follows observations and perceptions that many people from unrelated regions and cultures have agreed upon independantly. so goes world 'religion' as we know it, both ancient and modern.

religion is a tool of evil. even in the christian bible, religion itself is only mentioned in a negative manner -- see: Pharisees, et. al.

the basic message that all faiths come down to is this:

don't be such an asshole. because --
everything is connected. so --
everything you do will affect you in the future somehow.

also -- poxpower will destroy your face.

At 3/21/09 01:45 PM, Maus wrote: science is its own religion. it requires its own faith.

Name one example.

At 3/21/09 01:50 PM, Brick-top wrote:

At 3/21/09 01:45 PM, Maus wrote: science is its own religion. it requires its own faith.

Name one example.

have you ever seen a quark?

At 3/21/09 10:22 AM, LazyDrunk wrote:

At 3/21/09 10:12 AM, morefngdbs wrote:

At 3/21/09 09:59 AM, LazyDrunk wrote: A chicken is just the egg's way of producing another egg.

I though the egg was just the chickens way, of making another chicken !

Then you're a creationist who thinks the chicken came first. Somehow. Really, how does the chicken come first without divine intervention?

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Actually LazyDrunk , I've always believed the Rooster came first, the chicken...she probably didn't come at all & the egg was the end result ;)

At 3/21/09 01:53 PM, Maus wrote:

At 3/21/09 01:50 PM, Brick-top wrote:

At 3/21/09 01:45 PM, Maus wrote: science is its own religion. it requires its own faith.

Name one example.

have you ever seen a quark?

Do you mean this?

At 3/21/09 02:06 PM, Brick-top wrote:

At 3/21/09 01:53 PM, Maus wrote:

At 3/21/09 01:50 PM, Brick-top wrote:

At 3/21/09 01:45 PM, Maus wrote: science is its own religion. it requires its own faith.

Name one example.

have you ever seen a quark?

Do you mean this?

yes. they exist -- i believe they exist -- but i have never seen one. that is faith that science and logic work correctly to tell me so.

i also believe that human faith is fallible. we make a lot of mistakes. science has made a lot of mistakes, you have to admit. but, it does get things right a lot of the time, and it can either make life nice, or it can have an adverse effect, depending on how it's used.

there's SOMETHING that knows how to put things together correctly. i cannot believe that we just happened to end up this way. it was set in motion by a greater force that we'll never understand. i don't ridicule anyone that doesn't share my belief and i simply ask that no-one ridicule me.

At 3/21/09 02:11 PM, Maus wrote: yes. they exist -- i believe they exist -- but i have never seen one. that is faith that science and logic work correctly to tell me so.

Not exactly.

You have the ability to educate yourself and examine the evidence presented. You can write papers on it or even further the knowledge if you're willing.

You choose to accept it, you don't inherently accept it.

i also believe that human faith is fallible. we make a lot of mistakes. science has made a lot of mistakes, you have to admit. but, it does get things right a lot of the time, and it can either make life nice, or it can have an adverse effect, depending on how it's used.

Science is an ever correcting process. It does and will make mistakes in some areas and get things wrong however those mistakes will be corrected in the process of research.

there's SOMETHING that knows how to put things together correctly. i cannot believe that we just happened to end up this way. it was set in motion by a greater force that we'll never understand. i don't ridicule anyone that doesn't share my belief and i simply ask that no-one ridicule me.

You would be saying the exact same thing if we had 5 eyes, 3 legs and our internal organs were the size of a peanut.

Creatures are just like science, an ever correcting process for the development and progression of the species. Over time our bodies will make mistakes, however those mistakes do get corrected.

But regardless of this, I see what you're doing. You're trying to make it seem like we use faith for everything to make your own faith seem more justifiable.

Islam is a peaceful religion, before it was hijacked by the radicals.

At 3/21/09 02:33 PM, westonsarver wrote: Islam is a peaceful religion, before it was hijacked by the radicals.

Not exactly, it just stayed the same as it was in the 12th century. Few hundred years ago Christians wasn't less radical than Muslims. But through time people evolved, and they don't take everything literally anymore. But many Muslims and the Muslim culture in general, just didn't go through this phase.

weren't

At 3/21/09 06:26 AM, sirbobsalot2 wrote:

At 3/21/09 04:07 AM, Triented wrote:

I understand that in the Qua'ran, and the Bible, it is said to kill certain people for certain things

Not true (unless my knowledge of the bible is wrong), Christianity is strongly Anti-Violence.

That's not completely true. http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/1086.htm

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I really don't get why Islam is so discriminated against. Well, actually it's really just those who are ignorant of it. So many are biased to think that all Islamics are terrorists and should be killed/arrested. yet, if you work the numbers, such as if you take the number of known Al qaeda members, and the number of Muslims in general, it's 1 to 80,000. Yet, here in the United States, we seem to see a terrorist around every corner. Be they a political rival, a person of another religion, or simply middle-eastern looking, so many think they're out to bomb civilians, or at least to condone it. It's kind of reminiscent of the "Red Terror".

I still remember what Trey Parker said. Of all the ridiculous religious stories, which are all, truly, wonderfully, ridiculous the silliest one is that there's big Universe and it's collapsing and we're all here just because, just because. That was the most ridiculous explanation of all.

So yeah, I think religion does deserve respect.

At 3/21/09 01:45 PM, Maus wrote: science is its own religion. it requires its own faith. the main difference being, there are no personified deities. other than that, there follows observations and perceptions that many people from unrelated regions and cultures have agreed upon independantly.

Science: Well based on the evidence we've been able to find so far, it would seem as though that X is likely true, though, if contrary evidence is found in the future, the idea of X will have to be refined in accordance with the new findings. If you would like to see why we believe what we do, simly read one of the thousands of peer-reviewed papers and books, written by eperts in their respective fields.

Religion: What we say is the 100% absolute divine truth, sent to us by the deity himself, and regardless of what evidence you provide to us our claims will still be valid because they are god's truths. If you would like to see why we believe what we do, simply look at our holy texts. Sure, they were written by ignorant people living in times where scientific knowlege was practically non-existent and who believed in all sorts of crazy things that would be laughed at by people of today. Don't worry though, their writings are actually the infalliable word of god. We know this because the holy texts say so. And we know that the holy texts are valid because they are the infalliable word of god. And we know this because the holy texts say so.

At 3/21/09 02:11 PM, Maus wrote:

Do you mean this?

yes. they exist -- i believe they exist -- but i have never seen one.

Also, by this logic, belief in the existence of wind is a religion. I mean, have you ever SEEN wind??