At 3/17/09 09:15 AM, Zerok wrote:
At 3/17/09 09:03 AM, Podburrys wrote:
Key word being replica. I look at replica swords, own some, but I'm not going to stab anyone. Those things are likly unrelated and really shouldn't be mentioned.Right, but you haven't made any public threats. It's totally true that the replica business may be unrelated, but given the situation I think it should be mentioned. It helps build a profile. Evidence is what typically convicts, not speculation.
Yes, I do think that information should be logged and stored for the authorities - It does build a profile, yes. My main concern is that we're essentially building a profile of this guy when we don't know anything about him. People here are joining dots, interpretting information and stating thier assumptions or thoughts as fact. We need to be indifferent, and whilst keeping the base info, not do the police's job for them. It's important they don't get on the wrong track by seeing all this instead of comming from a neutral standpoint if they find it all themselves.
Key word being competent.True.
But I'd rather base my actions on the assumption that the lawyers are competent. That might sound naive, but otherwise why believe in the justice system at all?
Erk, I've opened a potential tangent.
I'm basing my opinions on the worset case scenario. He might get a good prosecutor, but realistically, we can all slip through the cracks.
Everything here can be used as evidence, and we have to be careful with what we say, because people can spin it. We know it's baseless, but in the right hands, an assumption like some of those made here can easily be spun to make OP seem mentally unstableI know what you're saying... but even an incompetent defense lawyer would be able to say:
"The prosecution is basing their claims off of practically anonymous comments made in all likelihood by young teens on a website that attracts a demographic prone to controversy, radical left thinking and violence."
And I personally don't think a mentally stable person would ever post something like this on such public forum.
Again, cracks. Although most would state this, that direction of plea assumes there IS something wrong with the OP when realistically, he could be an idiot mucking around. We shouldn't be suggesting anything for either side, and let the proper parties sort this for themselves. They should gather the evidence and make the connections, not the same people who make cock jokes and don't realise the effect they could actually be having in real life.
or make connections between unrelated things.I'll keep my faith in hard evidence.
This is not evidence. These are pieces of information gathered from various questionable sources, interperted, and posted. As I said, it's not up to us to do the police's job for them because in doing so we taint possible evidence with our interpretations. Even the fact we've done this portrays OP poorly.
I just think we really need to be careful with this, as this could be someone's future we're inadvertedly toiling with. If you're going to comment, be smart about it and don't assume anything. That's all I'm trying to say. OP deserves to be treated without bias despite apparent idiocy.Your points are completely valid, don't get me wrong. I just don't personally feel the need to try and moderate content that may be pertinent to something this serious. In ANY legal dispute there will be things that people can use to spin shit out of proportion. This thread does have the potential to do that... so do all the people that know him personally (especially those who dislike him). I don't feel this thread will have a massive impact besides being the origin point.
What you're saying is also valid, but I really think we've past the point where our input is relevant. It should have stopped with contacting the police, which was the right thing. Now we're conconcting theories, stupidly excited about what's going on instead of removing ourselves from the situation. This does not concern the Newgrounds userbase anymore, this concerns the authorities. Whilst I'd like to think this thread may not have any real impact, the simple fact it could have any impact at all on someone's life is reason enough to stop this. We're overstepping our bounds and doing the police's job, which is not ours to do. I suggest you consult the other mods and Wade about locking this thread and updating us ONLY on the information that is relevant. This is getting out of hand.
Also, thank you Devinish and Zerox for listening to my point of view on this matter.