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Response to This is it. 2009-03-17 17:03:06

At 3/17/09 04:59 PM, deckheadtottie wrote: TL;DR Sirtom is now in police custody because he threatened to burn down his school. Rig and I (and my top secret informer) are Internet Superheroes.

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Response to This is it. 2009-03-17 17:03:35

TL;DR for those of you who are too lazy to read the numerous other TL;DRs.

By the way, for our less internet-educated viewers: TL;DR = Too long; didn't read.


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Response to This is it. 2009-03-17 17:04:29

At 3/17/09 05:01 PM, 25272D wrote: Fixed because it was too big and added mocking text so he's reminded when he comes back about how shit he was.

OH TEH NOES, it's like 1.6 KB over the file limit!


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Response to This is it. 2009-03-17 17:05:26

At 3/17/09 05:03 PM, Rig wrote: TL;DR for those of you who are too lazy to read the numerous other TL;DRs.

By the way, for our less internet-educated viewers: TL;DR = Too long; didn't read.

Change it to UK times so we can see what happened in UK time. or add it next to it. It started at 10:40AM GMT, with the threat to be carried out @ 11:30AM

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Response to This is it. 2009-03-17 17:06:29

At 3/17/09 04:59 PM, NeonFlame126 wrote: Knowing how few people in my school - as an example - have ever heard of any NG that isn't Nation Geographic, I doubt to the umpteenth power that this was made as a threat to anyone. The closest Norfolk to half the users here is in Virginia.

Your analysis of the situation and what you thought of it is irrelevant, in terms of the level of threat presented.

I would be pissed if this happened, but how many emo kids do you think say "I'm going to kill someone today"? I would guess somewhere in the tens of millions. Should we go around every depressed teenager just because (s)he thought about it? Hey, cops, some of these kids think about doing what he posted, let's go arrest all of them for conspiring for murder. Posting something like this on that website would get a "Ignore the attention whore" type response.

That's not the same thing AT ALL.

sirtom posted with intent, naming his target, his planned time of action as well as a picture to back up his claims. That's LEAGUES away from someone saying "grrrrrg I'ma kill someone today."

Clearly you take things on a case by case basis. This case had a real threat, no matter what he actually intended to do. You can't go making threats of that magnitude in a public place and not expect some blowback.

If you posted something like that on a kid-friendly website you would get your topic deleted and nothing would be thought or done of it.

Because you've interviewed the administration of every kid friendly site in the world, right?

Yet, if you post it on a website where some of the people are under ten, some of the people are emo, and some of them are responsible adults, you get arrested. Double standards FTL.

The website's clientele had very little to do with this, if anything at all.


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Response to This is it. 2009-03-17 17:08:49

Oh man this was a great read. Nice job NG. You guys prevented what could of been the next big school attack linked towards NG showing in national news like back in 04 or 05. We did good. So the kid seriously had the gas can?

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Response to This is it. 2009-03-17 17:11:06

I'd like to complement the sheer admirable valence of some of the moderators and of Wade for handing all of the information to the police and avoiding a potential catastrophe.

I wonder what it could've been...

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Response to This is it. 2009-03-17 17:11:30

He could have done it if he didn't tell us. Well, it's good he told us!

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Response to This is it. 2009-03-17 17:16:10

At 3/17/09 05:11 PM, Aryk wrote: He could have done it if he didn't tell us. Well, it's good he told us!

Don't be an idiot someone could get that idea like they did before the internet. Worst fear is a school shooting.

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Response to This is it. 2009-03-17 17:17:24

At 3/17/09 04:59 PM, NeonFlame126 wrote: I would be pissed if this happened, but how many emo kids do you think say "I'm going to kill someone today"? I would guess somewhere in the tens of millions. Should we go around every depressed teenager just because (s)he thought about it? Hey, cops, some of these kids think about doing what he posted, let's go arrest all of them for conspiring for murder. Posting something like this on that website would get a "Ignore the attention whore" type response.

Without any evidence to back myself, I think you incorrectly assume it's purely a subcultural thing. Even with subcultural influences being some sort of factor, not all of them are extreme in what they do, or say they'll do. With regards to this sort of crime, I would suspect rates among entire subcultures to be low, if not very low. Particularly in the case of males, crime is largely motivated in subcultures as a means to push higher within the groups. As far as I know, there is little evidence to suggest that sort of motivation in cases like this. Personally, I think you overestimate your figures of "tens of millions" as I've already said about those within subcultures, and we need to keep in mind that things are different culturally: how sirtom93 might have reacted (with subcultural influences or not) would be different to how someone within a different culture would handle it.

Dah, I'm not really making any sense. All the writers that pushed subcultural theory were almost pre-postmodernism, never mind pre-Internet. Admittedly, I don't know much about "emo" subculture either. As far as I understand, it's people saying bad things happen to them... but that makes Warren Zevon an "emo". If it's about thoughts of suicide, then that makes me an "emo". If that's true, tag me into the subcultural theory too.

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Response to This is it. 2009-03-17 17:20:31

The bbs finally helped do something good. Great job to all who helped.


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Response to This is it. 2009-03-17 17:24:49

At 3/17/09 05:00 PM, Tramps wrote: Did anyone actually catch the video at the beginning?

Nobody did because he said his webcam was fail

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Response to This is it. 2009-03-17 17:27:27

At 3/17/09 05:06 PM, Zerok wrote: Your analysis of the situation and what you thought of it is irrelevant, in terms of the level of threat presented.

You said as a threat, I'm stating this isn't a threat.

That's not the same thing AT ALL.

Because "I'm going to kill a bunch of people at my school today, brb"

And

"I want to kill John Doe"

Are TOTALLY not the same thing.

sirtom posted with intent, naming his target, his planned time of action as well as a picture to back up his claims. That's LEAGUES away from someone saying "grrrrrg I'ma kill someone today."

Intent - I wanna kill people
Emo intent - I wanna kill someone

ToA - School (Nearest chance)
Emo ToA - Whenever I can (Nearest chance)

Picture of a greenish box holding no evidence
Picture of them being extremely emo, still no evidence

Clearly you take things on a case by case basis. This case had a real threat, no matter what he actually intended to do. You can't go making threats of that magnitude in a public place and not expect some blowback.

Sorry, should I cluster every instance together and decide from that? I'm pretty sure that's how this business started. The killing one, I mean. How is this threat any less real or public than the hollow "everyday " ones? An open website for flash gamers and makers is less public than a website for emo kids? That's like saying Hot Topic is less public than Macys.

Because you've interviewed the administration of every kid friendly site in the world, right?

If someone reposted this on Nickelodeon.com (or the like) I'm sure you wouldn't get arrested.

The website's clientele had very little to do with this, if anything at all.

Of COURSE it did. If there were a million Rigs and DHTs, this would've turned out much differently than a million people who took it as I did.

But meh, he's in jail for a B.S. thing he never planned to do, just because it happened before. Nothing we can do to change it.


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Response to This is it. 2009-03-17 17:28:42

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Response to This is it. 2009-03-17 17:30:05

At 3/17/09 05:27 PM, NeonFlame126 wrote: But meh, he's in jail for a B.S. thing he never planned to do, just because it happened before. Nothing we can do to change it.

You do realise sirtom was serious about this stuff? He had planned it to do it, not planned it for kicks. You're saying, even if I plan to go and blow up a bus station, as long as I never actually manage it, I'm totally innocent?

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Response to This is it. 2009-03-17 17:30:11

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/norfo lk/7949532.stm

No mention of Newgrounds. :(

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Response to This is it. 2009-03-17 17:32:15

NGers (excluding Sirtom) are awesome.

Read Rig's little TL;dr blog (thanks for that), just want to ask - Does anyone know if he did actually take petrol into school with him? And has anyone spoken to him privately on msn/aim prior to this and got a clue that he wanted to do something like this? Sorry if these questions have already been asked =3


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Response to This is it. 2009-03-17 17:32:41

At 3/17/09 05:30 PM, The-Darkphoenix wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/norfo lk/7949532.stm

No mention of Newgrounds. :(

Way to thank NG for all the help.


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Response to This is it. 2009-03-17 17:32:35

At 3/17/09 05:30 PM, The-Darkphoenix wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/norfo lk/7949532.stm

No mention of Newgrounds. :(

How do you find these minor storys?


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Response to This is it. 2009-03-17 17:32:59

At 3/17/09 05:11 PM, Aryk wrote: He could have done it if he didn't tell us. Well, it's good he told us!

Yeah, maybe he wanted to be caught, ya know, for the lu-...attention

And I'd rather not imagine what coulda been, let's just all be thankful that Rig, Wade, and deckheadtottie took charge.

On this day, Wade is the victor, not Thomas!

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Response to This is it. 2009-03-17 17:33:20

Imagine if this had been 4chan.

The school would not be here now.

God bless NG.
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Response to This is it. 2009-03-17 17:33:32

At 3/17/09 05:27 PM, NeonFlame126 wrote: But meh, he's in jail for a B.S. thing he never planned to do, just because it happened before. Nothing we can do to change it.

How naive do you want to be? Regardless of intent, you don't say shit like that. You go into an airport and threaten to blow them up, and see how little difference you saying "jokes" at the end will make.

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Response to This is it. 2009-03-17 17:34:13

At 3/17/09 05:27 PM, NeonFlame126 wrote: You said as a threat, I'm stating this isn't a threat.

but you're wrong. Whether or not it was a threat isn't a matter of opinion.

Are TOTALLY not the same thing.

I see you try to dismantle my argument below... let's see.

sirtom posted with intent, naming his target, his planned time of action as well as a picture to back up his claims. That's LEAGUES away from someone saying "grrrrrg I'ma kill someone today."
Intent - I wanna kill people
Emo intent - I wanna kill someone

Okay, this isn't an argument. It's not even relevant to the "debate."

ToA - School (Nearest chance)
Emo ToA - Whenever I can (Nearest chance)

You make some insane assumptions here. Did you know there's a CLINICAL difference between vaugely stating a target and identifying an immediate one? No, I assume you did not.

Picture of a greenish box holding no evidence
Picture of them being extremely emo, still no evidence

Wow. You just... clearly have no idea what we're even talking about here do you?

Sorry, should I cluster every instance together and decide from that? I'm pretty sure that's how this business started. The killing one, I mean. How is this threat any less real or public than the hollow "everyday " ones?

I thought I made that clear:

Plausible intent, stated target and time.

An open website for flash gamers and makers is less public than a website for emo kids? That's like saying Hot Topic is less public than Macys.

When did I compare the publicity of the two?

If someone reposted this on Nickelodeon.com (or the like) I'm sure you wouldn't get arrested.

Again, what you're "sure" of is not relevant.

Of COURSE it did. If there were a million Rigs and DHTs, this would've turned out much differently than a million people who took it as I did.

... You've never really been exposed to proper argument structure have you? Ugh.


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Response to This is it. 2009-03-17 17:35:08

At 3/17/09 05:32 PM, Gagsy wrote: NGers (excluding Sirtom) are awesome.

Read Rig's little TL;dr blog (thanks for that), just want to ask - Does anyone know if he did actually take petrol into school with him? And has anyone spoken to him privately on msn/aim prior to this and got a clue that he wanted to do something like this? Sorry if these questions have already been asked =3

Yes, he did have petrol
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/norfo lk/7949532.stm

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Response to This is it. 2009-03-17 17:35:22

Holy shit!!!

You're gonna be in sooo much trouble1

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Response to This is it. 2009-03-17 17:35:26

How many school threats go without deaths?


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Response to This is it. 2009-03-17 17:36:54

I'm kind of glad that they didn't mention Newgrounds actually. The reputation of this site barely survived Jeff Weise. I think that part of the reason the BBC didn't mention this site is because of posts earlier on this thread asking not to. I think the police who leaked this story to the press probably asked the BBC to use their discretion and not mention the name of this website.


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Response to This is it. 2009-03-17 17:37:15

Does anyone know what the motive was yet?
Seems odd this guy is a regular on newgrounds and even attended the London meetup.
What did he think would happen by posting about this?


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Response to This is it. 2009-03-17 17:37:17

BBC needs to give credit when credit is due. They need to look at how Wade, the mods, and a few members of the community busted their asses out of their spare time to make sure nothing happened.

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Response to This is it. 2009-03-17 17:37:38

At 3/17/09 05:32 PM, Civilnotice wrote:
At 3/17/09 05:30 PM, The-Darkphoenix wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/norfo lk/7949532.stm

No mention of Newgrounds. :(
Way to thank NG for all the help.

The important thing is that we know who they are :P

At 3/17/09 05:32 PM, Xurch wrote:
At 3/17/09 05:30 PM, The-Darkphoenix wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/norfo lk/7949532.stm

No mention of Newgrounds. :(
How do you find these minor storys?

The guy who's now under investigation (topic starter SirTom) had the courtesy of providing us with a link.


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