Fuck Russia. Built From Rape, Death

[GodsSentWarrior]

I just finished reading a book about the Russian atrocities when they invaded Berlin. Despite how you feel about he Nazi's, these were just German civilians.

According to historian Norman Naimark, the propaganda of Soviet troop newspapers and the orders of Soviet high command were jointly responsible for the excesses of the Red Army. Propaganda proclaimed that the Red Army had entered Germany as an avenger to punish all Germans. Soviet author Ilya Ehrenburg wrote on January 31, 1945:

"The Germans have been punished in Oppeln, in Königsberg and in Breslau. They have been punished, but yet not enough! Some have been punished, but not yet all of them; not yet their women and children."

There are cases where the orders of Soviet generals encouraged their soldiers to commit war crimes. On January 12, 1945, Red Army General Cherniakhovsky told his troops: "There shall be no mercy - for anyone, as there was no mercy for us... The land of the fascists must become a desert."
For the Germans, the organized evacuation of civilians before the advancing Red Army was delayed by the Nazi government, so as not to demoralize the troops, who were by now defending their own country. However, German civilians were well aware that the Red Army was conducting violence against non-combatants from reports by their friends and relatives who had served on the Eastern front. Furthermore, Nazi propaganda - originally meant to stiffen civil resistance by describing in graphic detail Red Army atrocities such as the Nemmersdorf massacre - often backfired and created panic.

Whenever possible, as soon as Nazi officials left, civilians began to flee westward on their own initiative.
Refugees in Eastern Germany 1945.

Fleeing before the advancing Red Army, more than two million inhabitants of the German provinces of East Prussia, Silesia and Pomerania died, some from cold and starvation, during the expulsion and post-war ethnic cleansing, and some when they were killed during combat operations. The main death toll, however, occurred when the refugee columns were encountered by units of the Red Army. The civilians were overrun by tanks, shot or otherwise murdered. Women and young girls were raped and left to die (as is explored firsthand in Alexander Solzhenitsyn's Prussian Nights). In addition, fighter bombers of the Soviet air force penetrated far behind the front lines and often attacked columns of refugees.

Those who did not flee suffered the Red Army's occupying policies: murder, rape, robbery, and finally expulsion. For example, in Königsberg, the East Prussian capital city, approximately 100,000 German civilians still lived there in August 1945. By the time they were finally expelled from the city in 1948, only about 20,000 of the Germans were still alive (see also expulsion of Germans after World War II).

The Red Army's violence against the local German population during the occupation of eastern Germany often led to incidents like Demmin, a small city conquered by the Soviets in the spring of 1945. Despite its unconditional surrender and without any prior fighting near the city, nearly 900 civilians people committed suicide after Soviet commanders had declared Demmin "open" for looting, pillaging and rape - which lasted for three consecutive days.

Although mass executions of civilians by the Red Army were seldom publicly reported, there is a known incident in Treuenbrietzen, where at least 88 male inhabitants were rounded up and shot on May 1, 1945. The incident took place after a Soviet victory celebration at which numerous girls from Treuenbrietzen were raped and a Red Army lieutenant-colonel was shot by an unknown assailant. Some sources claim as many as 1,000 civilians may have been executed during the incident.

TLTR Bulletpoints:
-There are accounts of Russian soldiers gang raping 60, 70, and 80 year year old women, as ordered by officers.

-One German man was forced to count aloud the rapes upon his 13 year old daughter and wife, 32 different men raped his daughter, 15 his wife. Both died.

-Russians in Treuenbrietzen rounded up German women to rape, and their husbands and brothers to kill.

-In one instance Russian solders captured a group of 12 German children, tied them in the snow, and made bets on which one would freeze to death last.

-The city of Demmin was declared open to rape and murder by all Russian officials. Nearly 900 Germans committed suicide, and a group of about 30 German men attempted to kill the German women (The women consented) off so they wouldn't have to face the Russian men.

Erzsébet: Frightening, definitely, for a few months. My father was already in the capital and my mother and four children stayed in Komárom.11 I well remember mother dressing me as an old lady, just to make sure that no one would attempt . . . to take advantage of me, although I was only nine years old. But with good reason, because my best friend, her mother didn't do it, and the child was grabbed and when she didn't let her go, they shot her in her mother's arms, because the Soviet army officer took a fancy to her . . . So these are dramatic experiences and very dramatic memories.

"Our soldiers' behavior towards Germans, particularly German women, is absolutely correct!" said a 21-year-old from Agranenko's reconnaissance detachment. A number seemed to find it amusing. Several German women recorded how Soviet servicewomen watched and laughed when they were raped. But some women were deeply shaken by what they witnessed in Germany. Natalya Gesse, a close friend of the scientist Andrei Sakharov, had observed the Red Army in action in 1945 as a Soviet war correspondent. "The Russian soldiers were raping every German female from eight to eighty," she recounted later. "It was an army of rapists."

Read this:
'They raped every German female from eight to 80'

[MultiCanimefan]

First of all, your thread title implies Russians today are at fault. Knock it off.

Secondly, nothing new here. Everyone committed war crimes amoung the axis and allied powers, including Americans, Britains, Russians, Germans, Japanese, Chinese, the list goes on and on.

[The-SuPa-Pimp]

Ah yes, the good old, everyone else did it, so should I! argument

[Buffalow]

Honestly, as bad as this sounds, the Nazis did worse to the Soviet people. At least the Soviets knew the Germans were human. Nazi propaganda often referred to the Slavic people as 'subhuman' and deserving of the treatment they received.

And don't even get me started on the brutality of the Japanese on the Chinese. Ever hear of the Rape of Nanjing?

[GodsSentWarrior]

At 3/15/09 10:43 PM, Buffalow wrote: And don't even get me started on the brutality of the Japanese on the Chinese. Ever hear of the Rape of Nanjing?

No :[

Teach me

[mranarchy]

Russian soldiers and indeed Russian people of that era were essentially completely driven by an undying allegiance to the motherland, you realise 10 million Russians died in that war, they went to battles when they knew they would die, and went to places that they knew they would starve to death, just because they thought it was for the good of Mother Russia, these are not people who can think for themselves to realise rape etc is wrong, they will do anything that comes from the higher command because that is the way that Russian society worked.

[HandsomePete]

zzz..... Wait, what was that? I fell asleep....

[animehater]

Gotta love how the crimes of the Nazis are always talked about but everyone treats the Communists with either support of indifference despite doing much worse.

[zoidberg10]

Eastern civilization are barbarians

[RacistBassist]

That's their fucking fault for not getting the fuck out of there.

What do you do if hear that an unstoppable mass of rape and death is coming for you?

Do you stay?

Fuck no, you get the fuck out

[YourFutureMaster]

Rape, murder, genocide, torture, kidnapping, all of which were carried out on a large scale by EVERY power involved in WWII against civilians on the opposite side.

Get over yourself, a lot has changed since the 40s.

[Dogmeat]

At 3/15/09 10:40 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote: First of all, your thread title implies Russians today are at fault. Knock it off.

Secondly, nothing new here. Everyone committed war crimes amoung the axis and allied powers, including Americans, Britains, Russians, Germans, Japanese, Chinese, the list goes on and on.

But not Canadians.

Because we rule!

[TheSouthernTower]

But not Canadians.

Because we rule!

Canada sucks.

[Spilda-Bongwata]

Wow I can't believe this many NGers actually read this.

My opinion: Fuck commies ^__^

[YourFutureMaster]

At 3/16/09 12:08 AM, Piss wrote: Fuck the United States. Built from rape, death

I thought that you would go with something more like this or maybe this

[Dogmeat]

At 3/16/09 12:18 AM, TheSouthernTower wrote:

But not Canadians.

Because we rule!

Canada sucks.

Says the guy who's country was built off of innocent people's deaths and rape.

[MultiCanimefan]

At 3/16/09 12:24 AM, CuteAndFuzzy wrote: Yeah the next time a country at war they shouldn't SHOOT or KILL people omg that's really rude! I think they should just have a meeting and settle their differences at a dinner party!!!

That would actually work if people weren't so stupid.

[NikeThanatos]

At 3/15/09 11:55 PM, RacistBassist wrote: Fuck no, you get the fuck out

Yeah, where did you want them to go? Allied territory?

Idiot.

[MysticMan]

Sure, you think that the russians were brutal and cold during the WWII era. But lets stop and look at what the germans did during the war.

Nazi doctors.

- Dr. Herta Oberheuser

Dr. Herta Oberheuser killed children with oil and evipan injections, then removed their limbs and vital organs. The time from the injection to death was between three and five minutes, with the person being fully conscious until the last moment. During the Holocaust she made some of the most gruesome and painful medical experiments, focused on deliberately inflicting wounds on the subjects. In order to simulate the combat wounds of German soldiers fighting in the war, Herta Oberheuser rubbed foreign objects, such as wood, rusty nails, slivers of glass, dirt or sawdust into the wounds.

Injected CHILDREN with oil. You didnt see the russians doing that to anyone. you dont see the russians injuring people just to see how they'd react (Correct me if im wrong).

- Dr. Josef Mengele

At Auschwitz extermination was conducted on an industrial scale with three million persons eventually killed through gassing, starvation, shooting, and burning. Josef Mengele was the chief provider for the gas chambers - and did well! When it was reported that one block was infected with lice, Mengele solved the problem by gassing all the 750 women assigned to it. Mengele did a number of medical experiments of unspeakable horror at Auschwitz, using twins. These twins as young as five years of age were usually murdered after the experiment was over and their bodies dissected.

That is only what CERTANT doctors have done to anyone during the war. Thats discluding all the experiments that have taken place.

The germans were the agressors of the war. Shit they might still be fucked like that for all we know.

[Gagsy]

There are some pretty sick English people around to but it doesn't mean we all do evil stuff.

[galatea1]

The fact is, since time immemorial and up to now and beyond, war has been fought both on the battlegrounds and across the bodies of women.

[Proph]

Cool story brah.

[Dogmeat]

Without war the world would be over populated... I hate to see it... But we need war in a sense...

[MultiCanimefan]

At 3/16/09 12:33 AM, MysticMan wrote: Sure, you think that the russians were brutal and cold during the WWII era. But lets stop and look at what the germans did during the war.

You just said "Germans" as in EVERY German yet you proceed to mention two fucked up doctors who just happen to be German. Boy oh boy, you sure were careful in not generalizing a whole population.

The germans were the agressors of the war.

Actually, not at all. One man and his few crazy cronies instigated the war and he wasn't even German.

Shit they might still be fucked like that for all we know.

I know right, people who had a choice to either believe their country would be saved or executed for thinking otherwise are really fucked up.

[MultiCanimefan]

At 3/16/09 01:24 AM, Dogmeat wrote: Without war the world would be over populated... I hate to see it... But we need war in a sense...

Or, we could just stop having babies and increase the standard of living.

[Dogmeat]

At 3/16/09 01:38 AM, MultiCanimefan wrote:

At 3/16/09 01:24 AM, Dogmeat wrote: Without war the world would be over populated... I hate to see it... But we need war in a sense...

Or, we could just stop having babies and increase the standard of living.

Yea, because that's gonna happen.

[Lagerkapo]

Wait are you telling me that soldiers do unsavory things in times of war?

NOOOO!

[startreeflesh]

Wow...as this is any different from the violence that is consistently perpetuated throughout all of history? Even today? Really? As if it's any worse than any of the other crimes against humanity afflicted during war and conflict?

Do you not own a history book? Or, really, you could just check out the international section of news at CNN

[Dogmeat]

At 3/16/09 01:57 AM, Lagerkapo wrote: Wait are you telling me that soldiers do unsavory things in times of war?

NOOOO!

What's that controversial mercenary group? Blackwater or something like that?

[MultiCanimefan]

At 3/16/09 01:50 AM, Dogmeat wrote:

At 3/16/09 01:38 AM, MultiCanimefan wrote:

At 3/16/09 01:24 AM, Dogmeat wrote: Without war the world would be over populated... I hate to see it... But we need war in a sense...

Or, we could just stop having babies and increase the standard of living.

Yea, because that's gonna happen.

It should.