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At 3/4/09 12:06 AM, Wizardude wrote: I personally don't think it contradicts the bible, but hey, I'm an Agnostic Christian.

HOW!!!?

You're forgetting that time doesn't exist for a being like that shaggy. No fucking way. Time does not exist.

I mean even Dr. Manhattan sees time for what it really is. And he's a comic book character.

I would have the feeling that could would be of infinite dimensions and infinite time. So I suppose 7 days to us would not even be more than the start of a "thought" for god.

At 3/4/09 12:27 AM, Wizardude wrote:

At 3/4/09 12:24 AM, JackPhantasm wrote: So if in the beginning there was NO earth and no fucking sun. I think that it's definitely not 24 "hours."

Exactly. It would have been gods interpretation of a day, which could have been thousands of years.

Ok, just stop, let me go over it and see if theres any possible way that could've happened, I stil don't think the evolution thing ever happened since evolution was made up by us n if it had ever been like that then we would've seen good evidence of it other than small differences in the kinds.

How about that river that dried up.

How about those leaves that fall off the tree.

How about amphibians going extinct as of recently.

At 3/4/09 12:32 AM, JackPhantasm wrote: You're forgetting that time doesn't exist for a being like that shaggy. No fucking way. Time does not exist.

I mean even Dr. Manhattan sees time for what it really is. And he's a comic book character.

I would have the feeling that could would be of infinite dimensions and infinite time. So I suppose 7 days to us would not even be more than the start of a "thought" for god.

Ok Jack, i will take your questions into consideration with the notion that you are giving rational thoguht in the possibility that God exists and that you want to believe and aren't just talking shit n getting ready to reject everything I throw at u.
I'll be back later, gotta go do stuff.

MY BRAIN.. IT ... BUUUUUUUUUURNS... IT ... BUUUUUUUUUUUUUURNSSSS

At 3/4/09 12:39 AM, poxpower wrote: MY BRAIN.. IT ... BUUUUUUUUUURNS... IT ... BUUUUUUUUUUUUUURNSSSS

*bangs my head till the center of my brain becomes more reasonable and less insane, changes his "anarchist dictatorship idea" and becomes a libertarian.

At 3/4/09 12:30 AM, Shaggytheclown17 wrote:

Well if you ever knew anything, anything about the other side, if you ever cared what the consequences of you being wrong would be.
You would know damn well that God didn't create the sun until a day or two before he created the plants, those plants would've been dead if that time frame had been several days let alone thousands of years, anyway before the Sun, God was the light. he said "let there be light" and then "let there be lights", that one created the sun, stars, n all the other stuff that has light.

I'm not going to babywalk you guys through this anymore, do some research or get out.

That whole post is confusing. First, If god created the sun first (which he did), what does it matter how long it took him to create the plants? The sunlight would still be there.

Second, what does god being light have to do with his post?

Other than that, I can respect that you are considering our points (unless you are being sarcastic, in which case, that's mean). The only other thing that is confusing is you say evolution can't happen because it's something we thought of it. We think of everything. In fact, we thought up the concept of god. Our acknowledgment of a fact doesn't make it non-fact.

At 3/4/09 12:31 AM, Masterzakk wrote:

At 3/4/09 12:06 AM, Wizardude wrote: I personally don't think it contradicts the bible, but hey, I'm an Agnostic Christian.

HOW!!!?

Well, I believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ, but I can accept that we don't actually have any proof of the existence of a supreme power, and therefore we can't really argue.

Yeah, I agree with you Wiz that just talking about God doesn't necessarilly get people into the mode of believing in him, but all well its jus a few fun facts anyway.

Aight so there is proof of the Bible so there is proof of God
(meaning if you reject it you cannot say you don't believe from a lack of proof and you cannot say that God doesn't exist without implying that you have other religious beliefs that do not have evidence explaining why and you're simply going on what you've been told with no logic or common sense)
Does anyone have a problem with that, if so, think about it for a while and tell why.

At 3/4/09 12:32 AM, JackPhantasm wrote: You're forgetting that time doesn't exist for a being like that shaggy. No fucking way. Time does not exist.

Yes you are correct, time doesn't affect God in any way because he created it, but he did create it along with matter and space because you can't have one without the other, thats how awsome he designed them.

I would have the feeling that could would be of infinite dimensions and infinite time. So I suppose 7 days to us would not even be more than the start of a "thought" for god.

Well you can still count the days er whatever measurment of time even when you have an infinite amount of time, you'll never get to an infinite number but you could still count for the sake of keeping track lol. The Bible said everything was created in 6 days (not counting the 7th) so I guess you can go ahead n think it was longer than our days (which were brought by the egyptians wasn't it?) yeah, they were an advanced culture so maybe it was really 6 days, I'll have to get back to u on that.

At 3/4/09 04:30 AM, Shaggytheclown17 wrote: Yeah, I agree with you Wiz that just talking about God doesn't necessarilly get people into the mode of believing in him, but all well its jus a few fun facts anyway.

Aight so there is proof of the Bible so there is proof of God
(meaning if you reject it you cannot say you don't believe from a lack of proof and you cannot say that God doesn't exist without implying that you have other religious beliefs that do not have evidence explaining why and you're simply going on what you've been told with no logic or common sense)
Does anyone have a problem with that, if so, think about it for a while and tell why.

Well your first paragraph is confusing, as I don't remember saying that. Elaborate?

And to say that proof of the bible is proof of god (which is a vague statement in of itself) is nonsense.
You are either saying that:
1. Simply because the bible exists there is a god (which is not very intelligent thinking)
2. or because some events from the bible happened (which, for the sake of argument, assume to have happened) it is irreparable proof that god exists. (This is also not that intelligent.)

Even if the great flood happened, just because it is in the bible doesn't mean god made it happen. I could say 9/11 was the work of Satan, and even though we know 9/11 happened, that doesn't necessarily mean Satan did it just because I said so.

Are you trying to be ironic? If so, you've failed miserably.

At 3/4/09 12:50 PM, EKublai wrote: Are you trying to be ironic? If so, you've failed miserably.

I think it's perfectly applicable. Because, like it or not, atheists are treated as a specific group. I really think, for the benefit of both atheists and non-atheists, it should no be as such. I think this is what shaggy is trying to say.

I've done some research on Wikipedia and I found that Estonia holds the record for most non-religious people, at 71%. Other countries like Iran, Afghanistan, etc. have it as high as 99%. While there's a lot of atheists around indeed, it appears no country has yet to go entirely secular, like countries have become entirely religious.

Just a statistic.

At 3/4/09 04:30 AM, Shaggytheclown17 wrote: Yeah, I agree with you Wiz that just talking about God doesn't necessarilly get people into the mode of believing in him, but all well its jus a few fun facts anyway.

Aight so there is proof of the Bible so there is proof of God

There is proof that a few things in the Bible happened (no real proof of the great flood, no real proof of Sodom, no real proof of the Tower of Babel). But since the Bible was in theory written through man, then showing that a few things in the Bible actually happened does not mean that God caused them to happen. If there was real proof of some of the extremely extraordinary things, then yes maybe, but most of the provable things in the Bible aren't really a stretch of the imagination.

(meaning if you reject it you cannot say you don't believe from a lack of proof and you cannot say that God doesn't exist without implying that you have other religious beliefs that do not have evidence explaining why and you're simply going on what you've been told with no logic or common sense)

Why can't I reject God's existence without implying that I believe in another God? That makes no sense.

Does anyone have a problem with that, if so, think about it for a while and tell why.

Because your argument in circular and doesn't really make sense.

At 3/4/09 02:08 PM, Ericho wrote: I've done some research on Wikipedia and I found that Estonia holds the record for most non-religious people, at 71%. Other countries like Iran, Afghanistan, etc. have it as high as 99%. While there's a lot of atheists around indeed, it appears no country has yet to go entirely secular, like countries have become entirely religious.

Just a statistic.

Does this surprise you? Religion has been deeply rooted into human civilization for thousands of years. So to simply expect religion to be completely removed from civilization or parts of civilization in just a hundred or so years is not realistic.

I wonder if shaggy has stopped watching venomfangx or kent hovind videos yet.

One is in jail the other nearly went to jail. One is a known liar, the other admited to lying.

It's so funny!!

I think it's funny how people flame shaggy instead of trying to find reason in his arguments and actually debate.

It's not that hard to not be a fucking prick.

Shaggy, you just need to look at our evidence because there is allot of it.

At 3/4/09 03:40 PM, pdo4545 wrote: Shaggy, you just need to look at our evidence because there is allot of it.

You only have evidence that defines reality, it has absolutely NO correlation to whether there is a god or not.

At 3/4/09 05:14 PM, Victory wrote:
I haven't ever seen any proof of God, and nothing indicates there is one. The theories we have indicate this universe is naturalist: evolution and the big bang have taken away the jobs we originally attributed to a creator.

And wear did the matter come from? The matter just ALWAYS existed? The matter has no beginning?

Hey guess what that sounds like...

At 3/4/09 03:02 PM, JackPhantasm wrote: I think it's funny how people flame shaggy instead of trying to find reason in his arguments and actually debate.

Been done, been done again and again and again.

Shaggy has a habbit of saying the exact same thing over and over regardless of what people say.

At 3/4/09 05:35 PM, Brick-top wrote:
Been done, been done again and again and again.

Shaggy has a habbit of saying the exact same thing over and over regardless of what people say.

Really? Every time I've looked in on a conversation it's just shaggy being lambasted for his weird views. Instead of trying to work WITH his views in an attempt to further understand why he thinks the way he does.

At 3/4/09 06:20 PM, Victory wrote:
God of the Gaps.

That's not a gap, that's a fucking missing dot on the line of time. How can you know anything if you don't have a start point.

At 3/4/09 06:37 PM, KemCab wrote:

At 3/4/09 06:20 PM, Victory wrote: Meaning you can't come to a conclusion on anything at all, since using that structure nothing can be determined.

Right. Which basically says the most sensible conclusion is that there is no conclusion.

This logic seems to work for god but apply it to any other scenario.
Do you believe in magical unicorns? No you probably don't because there is no proof for it.
Same thing with believing in Hogwarts.
Or that everyone is a halloucination but you.
Or that the food you buy at supermarkets is made from orphans.
You probably (if you're sane) believe in none of these things because you have seen no proof.
Why not apply the same logic to believing in god?
If followed the same logic you followed for believing god to everything else you would go insane because you would agnostic about all reality.

At 3/4/09 05:37 PM, JackPhantasm wrote:

At 3/4/09 05:35 PM, Brick-top wrote:
Been done, been done again and again and again.

Shaggy has a habbit of saying the exact same thing over and over regardless of what people say.

Really? Every time I've looked in on a conversation it's just shaggy being lambasted for his weird views. Instead of trying to work WITH his views in an attempt to further understand why he thinks the way he does.

I've tried having a decent discussion with him it doesn't work. Eventually he'll resort to generalizing, stereotypes, spamming other people's comment section or just ignore it and pretend the discussion never existed.

It all has to do with Shaggys predictable posting routine that was mentioned earlier.

But there are so many diffrent beliefs and religions thta each describe God in a different way, and have different stories for why or how the Earth was created.
Many of these texts have 'Facts' backing them up, but in the end, each and every Holy text contradicts each other, meaning only one of them can be right.

So I say to you, which Holy text is true? Whats the right Religion? Who's worshiping God in the correct way?

Who knows, mabye God doesnt care and finds the Athiests more tolerable than the 'true' believers.

Yes I posted this in Shaggy's comment section as well... :(

Well I admit I may have mixed up a couple words n people took it the wrong way.

What I meant was, the Bible has evidence, so the Bible is evidence of God and I've spent a couple posts telling about the evidence around the world (hence look around you to find God) because there is evidence of what the Bible teaches.

I'm not trying to discredit any other religions, they have their stuff as well and it may as well all be connected, I'm just defending the Bible at this point and how atheism should be dead because there is evidence for God (as many atheists claim they don't believe because theres no evidence) Here is the evidence (hands you the bible) go do some research and find the evidence, come back and no longer call yourself an atheist, at least say you're not totally in denial and be agnostic er something.

(sighs)

Can't believe you people never learn. DON'T FEED THE GODDAMN TROLLS! And we'll stop having stupid topics that span 800 fucking pages......

At 3/4/09 09:00 PM, Shaggytheclown17 wrote:
What I meant was, the Bible has evidence, so the Bible is evidence of God and I've spent a couple posts telling about the evidence around the world (hence look around you to find God) because there is evidence of what the Bible teaches.

The Bible has evidence of what? It's own existence?

I'm not trying to discredit any other religions, they have their stuff as well and it may as well all be connected, I'm just defending the Bible at this point

If you really believe what you say about it, the Bible shouldn't need defending.

and how atheism should be dead because there is evidence for God

From a subjective standpoint only.

(as many atheists claim they don't believe because theres no evidence)

Because they don't share that subjective standpoint.

Here is the evidence (hands you the bible) go do some research and find the evidence,

Contradictory statement.
My evidence you're wrong? Newgrounds. Find the evidence.
I can play that game too......

(sighs)

I believe in Absolute Relativism.
What now?