My thoughts on the universe.

[Shmossy]

I mean, why is there such a thing as an atom, or an electron, or a planet, or space, or stars or... THIS?
This "system" if you will.

We know that there are planets and stars and atoms, etc, and it's all so amazingly complex.
Chemicals. DNA. Light. Sound. The thing is; why this "system"?
It's incredible, if you think about it. It's so specific.

Life, and the universe could have been any other way, theoretically speaking.
What I find amazing is that it isn't any other way.

[BurstFilmsCrew]

crap theory though

[DroopyA]

Agreed. The creation of physics is mind-blowing.

It works perfect every time... an un-crashable computer system where taking any one peice of anything and combining it with any other peice of something else can create an infinte amount new things... to an extent where nothing can be created that would violate it's own rules and destroy itself.

It's a flawless system of complete and utter perfection.

[Ridleysoul]

At 2/24/09 10:39 AM, DroopyA wrote: Agreed. The creation of physics is mind-blowing.

It works perfect every time... an un-crashable computer system where taking any one peice of anything and combining it with any other peice of something else can create an infinte amount new things... to an extent where nothing can be created that would violate it's own rules and destroy itself.

It's a flawless system of complete and utter perfection.

Unless the Chaos theory proves to be true, in which case everything is unbelievably slapdash and completely random, meaning the system is flawed, if there even is a system to speak of.

[Shmossy]

At 2/24/09 10:39 AM, DroopyA wrote: Agreed. The creation of physics is mind-blowing.

It works perfect every time... un-crashable computer system... can create an infinte amount new things... nothing can be created that would violate it's own rules and destroy itself.

It's a flawless system of complete and utter perfection.

Indeed. I like your analogy.
I'm glad someone on the BBS shares my views.
;)

[DroopyA]

At 2/24/09 10:43 AM, Ridleysoul wrote: Unless the Chaos theory proves to be true, in which case everything is unbelievably slapdash and completely random, meaning the system is flawed, if there even is a system to speak of.

Chaos is part of the plan already... and it's existance doesn't break anything. You can't break the laws of physics... you can't cheat or hack the system. Physics always works, regardless of the current condition. That's why magic doesn't exist. Magic, would be a glitch in the system.

Physics has no glitch. It's perfect... and millions of years of chaos have randomized the interaction of it's elements which have since gone on to create an organized system that we call the universe. It's genius, really.

If there is/was a God... it's as if all he did was create the laws of physics. Then he hit the play button, sat back, and watched the universe run itself.

[MasterOfDaWay666]

At 2/24/09 11:01 AM, DroopyA wrote: If there is/was a God... it's as if all he did was create the laws of physics. Then he hit the play button, sat back, and watched the universe run itself.

That'd be disgusting, hilarous and shameful to watch.

All at the same time.

[DroopyA]

At 2/24/09 11:05 AM, MasterOfDaWay666 wrote: That'd be disgusting, hilarous and shameful to watch.
All at the same time.

Agreed... and picture yourself as God... it's the begining of everything and nothing exists , not even time. You can do anything you want... what do you do?

Me, I'd create the universe. I mean seriously, what's better then this?

[Earfetish]

Every time people talk about how the universe is 'fine-tuned for life' I feel inclined to ask them - how do you know?

Whenever it turns up in a thread, I always post this mindblowing New Scientist article saying that it's not necessarily true:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19 926673.900

and no-one ever responds. :(

[Earfetish]

As another theory, I've heard that there might be a form of evolution in universes too, with the more successful universes 'giving birth' to similar universes with maybe slight variation, and the less successful universes dying.

When it comes to the whole 11th dimensional multiverse brane theory which it impossibly bizarre, it really seems that anything is possible. And I feel my life is better for being deeply interested in why things are the way they are, and the further you look into it, the more amazed you become.

But no, if 'God did the fine-tuning' floats your boat then that's fine. I just like the magic and wonder in these cutting-edge sciences.

Like, just imagine if there are other universes, and life might have formed on the fringes of a gently radiating black hole (Hawkins radiation). Doesn't that just blow your mind? Aren't these theories the most fucking interesting thing possible to learn about in the 21st century? But no, I suppose 'God' works.

[Earfetish]

One last bit of mind-blowing shit, but there is actually also nothing to say that the fundamental constants will be that way forever! They appear to change over time - weaken, if you will.
http://exitmundi.nl/crumble.htm
That's an end-of-the-world scenario detailing what will happen when a constant finally pushes breaking point.
Visit the main site to read more brilliance.
http://exitmundi.nl/exitmundi.htm

I implore you guys to check out my links. If you're interested in this stuff, and judging by your posting in this thread, you are, then you should start reading popular science. I'm not trying to alter your religion at all - I'm just trying to excite you with the titillating things scientists are talking about now.

[TheLameSauce]

At 2/24/09 11:50 AM, Earfetish wrote: http://exitmundi.nl/crumble.htm

very interesting read. but, couldn't the inconsistency of the "fine structure constant" be due to some sort of calculation error? or perhaps some misunderstanding of the constant itself? I'd like to know if any other constants have been noted to have changed over the course of time.

[Raguel]

At 2/24/09 11:50 AM, Earfetish wrote: I implore you guys to check out my links. If you're interested in this stuff, and judging by your posting in this thread, you are, then you should start reading popular science.

Alternatively, if you like a Terry Pratchett, read the three Science of Discworld books.

He teams up with Ian Stewart (a mathematician) and Jack Cohen (a biologist) to make a Discworld story where they create our universe and don't understand how it works without gods or magic and then go into it to figure it out.

They're pretty damned good books.

[Brick-top]

At 2/24/09 10:34 AM, Shmossy wrote: What I find amazing is that it isn't any other way.

If the universe was created or funtioned differently you'd still be making the same statement because you would be unaware of this version of the universe.

[Earfetish]

At 2/24/09 12:31 PM, Raguel wrote:

At 2/24/09 11:50 AM, Earfetish wrote: I implore you guys to check out my links. If you're interested in this stuff, and judging by your posting in this thread, you are, then you should start reading popular science.

Alternatively, if you like a Terry Pratchett, read the three Science of Discworld books.

I'll look out for them. I do like Terry Pratchett. I was thinking maybe I should try writing sci fi but I've not read an awful lot of the stuff except for Pratchett and Douglass Adams

[Shmossy]

At 2/24/09 11:50 AM, Earfetish wrote: Visit the main site to read more brilliance.
http://exitmundi.nl/exitmundi.htm

I implore you guys to check out my links.

That's one of my favorite sites. It provokes a lot of thought.
Check out the article "Stop!" - it talks about the possibility of life being fine tuned, and tells you that if a single particle was out of place we wouldn't exist, contrary to the article you linked me to.
Amusing stuff.

At 2/24/09 11:44 AM, Earfetish wrote: As another theory, I've heard that there might be a form of evolution in universes too, with the more successful universes 'giving birth' to similar universes with maybe slight variation, and the less successful universes dying.

Doesn't that just blow your mind? Aren't these theories the most fucking interesting thing possible to learn about in the 21st century?

Absolutely. If you think about it, minor forms of "evolution" are everywhere.

Learning from our mistakes for example. You make a topic on NG. It's very unpopular.
So, you learn from your mistake and make a new topic later, adapting to what you have judged other Newgrounders deem an interesting topic; meanwhile the old thread dies.
That was a tongue in cheek sort of example, but you get the idea.

:Off-topic - Earfetish made a triple post in my thead. Awesome.

[Raguel]

At 2/24/09 12:38 PM, Earfetish wrote: I'll look out for them. I do like Terry Pratchett. I was thinking maybe I should try writing sci fi but I've not read an awful lot of the stuff except for Pratchett and Douglass Adams

You should. They not only cover the universe itself but the idea of life on the planet and how humans came to be what they are.

And I wouldn't call Pratchett a sci-fi writer as much as I'd call him a fantasy writer but then again he's not really a fantasy writer either.

He has enough books to get his own section in book stores now anyway.

[Shmossy]

At 2/24/09 12:34 PM, Brick-top wrote:

At 2/24/09 10:34 AM, Shmossy wrote: What I find amazing is that it isn't any other way.

If the universe was created or funtioned differently you'd still be making the same statement because you would be unaware of this version of the universe.

Good point. I hadn't thought of that ;)

[Kwing]

Well think about the fact that living organisms evolve to fit their environment. In my philosophy, because there is the ominous saying that 'God is in all of us,' my idea of reality takes things a step further. I believe that God isn't a single intelligent being, but simply all that is. My idea of God is all matter, plasma, solid, liquid, and gas, all emotions, positive or negative, all things in existence, whether physical or sentimental. Because of that, I think that our beliefs, thoughts, and concepts literally influence the way things really are. If this were the case, then since the beginning of the existence of organisms, we have created the environment as much as it has created us.

[pyromaniac616]

Earfetish- I know love you in an un-sexual way. I thought no one else had the new scientist. As to the topic, it is amazing, however as someone else said, if it was any different, then we would say how THAT was perfect, and so on. Life always manages, and as for the meaning of life, there is no meaning to life, other than we are just designed to be the perfect carriers of DNA. We are nothing. We are no one. We are only carriers of DNA, we hold no deeper purpose in the universe. All life contains DNA, which means that it isn't just on Earth, or even our solar system. It is all over the universe. Somewhere there is another race of people, also saying the same, thinking the same as us. We are tiny, we are nobody. We had no place in the universe so we carved one with tools and blood.

Thats my view anyway. Hope it enlightend you.

[Michaelas10]

At 2/24/09 10:34 AM, Shmossy wrote: I mean, why is there such a thing as an atom, or an electron, or a planet, or space, or stars or... THIS?
This "system" if you will.

What I find amazing is who the fuck do you think you are to question things if probably haven't even finished school.

Listen kid, the more you delve into science the more you find how natural and empty it is. Quantum mechanics for instance. They tell us things are indefinitely meaningless. Atoms, electrons, they all exists from elemntray particles and are held together by the weak and strong forces. Space, stars, evolution, technology, they're all eventual consequences of natural development.

[Shmossy]

At 2/24/09 03:31 PM, Michaelas10 wrote: Listen kid, the more you delve into science the more you find how natural and empty it is. Quantum mechanics for instance. They tell us things are indefinitely meaningless. Atoms, electrons, they all exists from elemntray particles and are held together by the weak and strong forces. Space, stars, evolution, technology, they're all eventual consequences of natural development.

I know that they're all eventual consequences of natural development, but the really deep question is this - why is it that way? I meant the fact that they all exist from elementary particles and are held together by the weak and the strong forces. It could have been any other way, but it's not.
That's what I mean when I said "this system".

[AlStOrthevilclown]

We could be in a blackhole right now. Nobody knows what's in a blackhole.

[DroopyA]

I always feel like I'm a guy in a painting slowly trying to figure out what I am... only to be baffeled to find out I'm individual peices of ink made from chemicals, made from atoms, etc... completly obvlious to the fact that I exist in a bigger environment created from the exact same basic components that make up myself, arranged in a slightly diffrent order. I'm incapable of understanding this because I'm a painting... the idea of a 3rd dimension, and a 3D world, is beyond me.

[Michaelas10]

OK I'VE CALMED DOWN NOW GEEZ

At 2/24/09 04:00 PM, Shmossy wrote: I know that they're all eventual consequences of natural development, but the really deep question is this - why is it that way?

I can't answer that but what I can do is link to philosophies which do answer that. Or at least, explain how it's possible: reductionism, determinism, and metaphysical naturalism.

I meant the fact that they all exist from elementary particles and are held together by the weak and the strong forces. It could have been any other way, but it's not.

It all depends on the Big Bang process. It could not have been the other way right now. It might never will.

[Michaelas10]

At 2/24/09 04:02 PM, AlStOrthevilclown wrote: Nobody knows what's in a blackhole.

Nu-uah. Yes they do. Black holes are stars who imploded because their internal pressure was too insufficient to resist their own gravitational pull. If an object is to go into a black hole, the gravitational force in its center will "disable" the atom's weak and strong forces and digest it into mere particles who will increase the hole's lifetime by increasing its mass.

This is only a theory, though.

[Shmossy]

At 2/24/09 04:08 PM, DroopyA wrote: I always feel like I'm a guy in a painting slowly trying to figure out what I am... only to be baffeled to find out I'm individual peices of ink made from chemicals, made from atoms, etc... completly obvlious to the fact that I exist in a bigger environment created from the exact same basic components that make up myself, arranged in a slightly diffrent order. I'm incapable of understanding this because I'm a painting... the idea of a 3rd dimension, and a 3D world, is beyond me.

You are my new favorite person on Newgrounds.
Sometimes I strive to find the words to describe things like this, but I can never perfectly describe my feelings.

Thanks for summing up my feelings =D

[TheWolfe]

Are you implying that because it is so specific, someone/something must have created it all?

[Sekhem]

earfetish does lots of drugs and therefore knows everything

just listen to him guys

[Michaelas10]

At 2/24/09 05:08 PM, Shmossy wrote: You are my new favorite person on Newgrounds.

What about me? I thought my reply was the deepest one, besides of course Earfetish's.