Programmer?Artist ?Both?

[4urentertainment]

I was just wondering..How many people just pick being just a programmer or just an artist, and how many people can actually program AND draw real good?

So are you both? If so did you start out with one or move on to the other or what?

[VoidSkipper]

I'm yet to meet someone who excels at both.

[4urentertainment]

At 2/20/09 09:10 AM, VoidSkipper wrote: I'm yet to meet someone who excels at both.

That's the way it's supposed to be. I mean, programming requires someone who is left brain dominant, while art and animation requires right brain dominant.

Seeing someone who excels at both would be very, very interesting.

I do, however, remember seeing one like that, I'll look again.

[Deadclever23]

At 2/20/09 09:10 AM, VoidSkipper wrote: I'm yet to meet someone who excels at both.

i believe The-Swain excelled at both.
My proof:

Mastermind: WC, by The-Swain Type: Game Rating: Ages 13+

Scripted and art both by him.

[AnalogStick]

At 2/20/09 09:25 AM, Deadclever23 wrote:

i believe The-Swain excelled at both.
My proof:
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/46 3278
Scripted and art both by him.

Yeah but that game is rather easy to code, unlike for example some games which have nice physics engines which need a hell load of coding skill. That is just an example ofc.

[Deadclever23]

At 2/20/09 09:34 AM, AnalogStick wrote:

At 2/20/09 09:25 AM, Deadclever23 wrote:

i believe The-Swain excelled at both.
My proof:
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/46 3278
Scripted and art both by him.

Yeah but that game is rather easy to code, unlike for example some games which have nice physics engines which need a hell load of coding skill. That is just an example ofc.

It's a lot better than most animators can do.

Also, I'm pretty sure he's started scripting a platformer with physics now.

[4urentertainment]

Yes, but that was an artist who was also did programming.

In my opinion, it's easier to learn maths than learning how to draw. Correct me if I am wrong.

[Deadclever23]

At 2/20/09 10:18 AM, 4urentertainment wrote: Yes, but that was an artist who was also did programming.

In my opinion, it's easier to learn maths than learning how to draw. Correct me if I am wrong.

No, it's just you're naturally better at maths than drawing.
I know people from the moment they picked up a pencil they could draw well.

[4urentertainment]

At 2/20/09 10:50 AM, Deadclever23 wrote: No, it's just you're naturally better at maths than drawing.
I know people from the moment they picked up a pencil they could draw well.

And that's exactly my point. Drawing is a talent. You either have it or you don't. However most people can learn maths, some better than others, but still.

For example, in my school, in the art exam, you are judged on the size and proportion of your drawing, not how well you draw, but how correctly you draw.

It's not like that in maths.

[GodlyKira]

I am a fairly good artist, and I am a programmer, though my problem is that I hate doing art, that and i cant animate.

[Fickludd]

I've done both animation and programming for the games i've finished. But although I started making movies I now se myself more like a programmer who does graphics on the side.

But well, it's not like I excel at graphics =P.

[zuperxtreme]

At 2/20/09 11:09 AM, 4urentertainment wrote:

At 2/20/09 10:50 AM, Deadclever23 wrote: No, it's just you're naturally better at maths than drawing.
I know people from the moment they picked up a pencil they could draw well.

And that's exactly my point. Drawing is a talent. You either have it or you don't. However most people can learn maths, some better than others, but still.

I don't agree.
There are various drawing concepts you learn, which in turn give you a different perspective of how you perceive things.
In Math, for example, everything is perfect: 1=1, 2=2, and that's how it is(inb4smartasses...), but in art things are different. There are tons of shades of a color, and even if you don't get the shade you wanted, you might realize that the one you accidentally used is much better than the one you originally thought off.
There are different styles, different color schemes, etc, etc.
It's just different, but then again, there are those who are much more inclined towards one of the other and some who do average at both.

IMO, this is very true:

"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."

[Zyphonee]

I am personally way better as an artist. I know that if I wanted to I could start learning a lot of code, and sometimes I sit and start making basic code, but overall, I am better as an artist and animatior...

[VoidSkipper]

As a math nerd, I take offense to a lot of this.

"Anyone can learn math" is as true as the statement "anyone can learn to draw". Applied math in year 12 and consumer math in year 11 are not actually math. It's just arithmetic. There is a huge difference.

If a decent physics engine was easy to make, there would be a lot more of them.

[atomic-noodle]

well im an artist and i'm good at programming websites. does that count?

[PurplePancakes]

adam phillips can do both, you might wanna check out his work on here.

[CrazyChihuahua]

Seems like many can do both, but no one really excels at both, like has been pointed out.

With art, certain things can definitely be learned. With practice comes better art, but some people are just naturally better at drawing and art in general, and just get things easier. Others have to work at it harder and will never get to the levels that some artists do.

With math, all aspects of it must be 'learned in a sense', as one can't really piece together things without certain common knowledge (unlike how an artist can pick up a pencil and just draw without learning certain principals). However, math clearly comes easier to some people. Again, others may have to work harder for it, but they can still learn advanced things. It just won't come nearly as easily, and super-advanced stuff will most likely be out of reach.

Case-in-point: I could and did do some advanced calculus stuff in uni. I was shit at it and barely understood most of it, but I could do it. It just didn't come easy at all (probably why I finished somewhere in the low 60's for the year). However, I think I understand enough for AS, and that's all I need at the moment =P