This is the Audio Forum?

[S-Rock]

To discuss our Audio Submissions and Other Information about Music is something we are trying to do here in the Audio Forum. No spam is allowed, so I do my best not to distribute it.

If we all post on this Forum about Legit Music/Audio information "Not Spam" why do members of NG Lock posts? To keep less Mess/Clutter in the "Audio" forum?The Same Audio forum that we are supposed to be allowed to Post Threads on about Music and Such. I know it may seem like I am picking a Fight. I am not.
I think it is kind of unfair that people get their Posts Locked over a Legitimate Thought.

if it is a Concern about, keeping the Forums less Cluttered, Please make Separate sections for Advertisements so there is not a BUNCH of other Audio Clutter in ONE post that I have to go through. not only I, But other as well. Maybe people want to see nothing but a certain genre. I don't know.

Thank you.

[NeonProject]

Meh.
I totally agree with you, and while your idea sounds totally logic I can't see it happening. :/
I really don't see NG thinking that much about the audio section to be honest.

[TwilightShade]

The problem is, you two are missing the point of a forum. The point of a BBS is that it enables people to discuss things in one internet-based location, rather than having to access many different websites or use AIM. Too many advertisement threads defeat the purpose of said BBS; the entire board becomes full of threads that contain nothing more than links to audio submissions, and there suddenly is no discussion.

This is why we only have one audio advertisement thread. It allows users to gain a little extra publicity without having too much clutter. In other words, it's the best of both worlds. I agree that classifying the threads by genre would be a good idea, if having those threads were also a good idea, but such is not the case. So you'll have to make do with browsing the thread, reading the genre of each submission, and clicking the ones you want.

[sorohanro]

So, this is a rant actually for not allowing people to have bazillions of threads like "My new song", "Check my new track" and "My new AWESOME loop".

Have you checked how many discussions are in "Advertising Thread" ? NONE.
All is just links to songs.
Having that non-sense all over forum would make hard to find really useful threads like:
Ask your Fl questions
FL vs Reason
Guitar thread
and some more tutorials and software reviews.

[Gloudas]

At 2/19/09 05:58 PM, S-Rock wrote: Thank you.

Sorry, I'm just not quite sure what you're asking for. Capitalizing every other word makes it hard to make out what you're trying to say...
Can you simplify your proposal, assuming that this is one?

[S-Rock]

It's actually simple. I Capitalize some words to emphasize my point. like if people were to say something in Quotes.

But yeah I am saying this to make you guys realize this isn't JUST a forum...See I did it again < lol
Yeah I am Saying this to make you guys realize that this isn't just a forum. otherwise you wouldn't even have one topic stating anything about Advertising an Audio submission. I know what you mean though, I hate Spam too. But this Site is BASED off of Submissions. I mean, you have Topics about politics and what you opinion is on the matter. It's Expressions. I want to Express Genre.
When you have a Site like this one, you should Automatically assume people are gonna want to Advertise their Junk/Gold. I mean I know I know, I am not Arguing with you guys lol I'm just saying my Opinion. Cause I can Post a beat I've made, it will be "Hip Hop-modern" and I wanna see what other people Just in Hip hop have made. yeah I can go to the search and Look it up on the Audio Portal, But there is also a Audio Forum, with topics other then what this Site has uploaded from People. I think people should Advertise. Just make a Separate page for it or something. the thing with the Forum, is not ALL people are spamming, yeah a lot are but some people Write about their beats/music. and maybe I want to as well. But who wants to hear about Hip hop when they listen to Classical stuff?

[TwilightShade]

So basically you want to make the audio forum a less effective version of something we already have. The drop down menu in the audio portal does exactly what you want it to, and more. It can sort by date submitted or score, and has every audio submission from every genre Newgrounds recognizes since the beginning of the portal itself.

I don't know why you're so intent on defying the sole purpose of a BBS to create a sh***y version of a search function we already have, but strike me down if I try to get in your way. I just think this is something we don't need at all.

[jarrydn]

Yeah man, the sort by date function pretty much makes your idea redundant.

I don't know about everybody else, but I wouldn't want to come onto the audio forum and have surf past all of the audio advertisement threads in order to have an actual discussion with someone about audio :[

[S-Rock]

shitty version of what? lol wow I didn't say Replace it...I'm suggesting maybe add more Audio forums/topics. it's not making a Shittier version of anything, it's adding more to it. how are you looking at this? I'm not striking anyone down, but I am saying if there is an Audio Forum don't you think there should be advertising? For audio only though? But in different sections for audio not just one big pile? Like, more Genres?

[TwilightShade]

At 2/19/09 08:27 PM, jarrydn wrote: Yeah man, the sort by date function pretty much makes your idea redundant.

I don't know about everybody else, but I wouldn't want to come onto the audio forum and have surf past all of the audio advertisement threads in order to have an actual discussion with someone about audio :[

This.

Also, there's already an audio advertising thread. Look through it for Modern Hip-Hop songs if you like; I'm sure there's a ton of them. But I can't fathom why you'd use the less efficient method that takes longer and generates less results. *shrug*

[S-Rock]

lol how on earth would it take longer? Make an Advertisement Forum topic BEFORE you actually go into the Audio forum, Have a Hip hop-Modern section...Ect. Have the Advertisement OUT completely out of Audio Forum and add an Audio Advertisement Forum section...That's all I was suggesting.

[EchozAurora]

There's not even sub-forums in the flash forum.. and that's the largest part of NG.

What makes you think they'd want to do things like that in audio?

[jarrydn]

At 2/19/09 09:09 PM, EchozAurora wrote: There's not even sub-forums in the flash forum.. and that's the largest part of NG.

Exactly.

If they were to introduce flash and audio advertisement sub-forums, it would just become a place for spam and +1ing your post count.

[RedHatCore]

I agree with you on many (if not all) points.

It seems dumb to have an audio advertisement thread... who goes on there and says "Oh! This looks nice!"
Maybe some, I've done that like... once?

It would make more sense to have some type of template, in which the user is required to offer details about the work, and then a separate (sub-forum) will receive the post, so people can go on there, and have separate threads based on a particular song.

Notice, there is NO section of NG in which users can interact about reviews. The on-page review option is VERY limited, and entirely not open to the public (its pretty hard to find something after its off the recent submissions).

The audio forums seem limited, and off-topic (to me). I think that some reform could take place. Maybe these areas:

1) Voteing system of the AP and FP being different. The FP is different, it seems NG has not noticed the fact that audio is not rated the same.
2) Rewards for giving good, detailed reviews.
3) More Portal-BBS integration.
4) More stuff I can't think of.

Anywho, sorry for ranting.

[S-Rock]

I could Understand everything so far that everyone has posted...so far... But it just sucks for me and other people who get High scores you know...When you get a High Score some Jackass wants to Vote you a 0 for some reason...Like they wanna get a Higher score.. it's just Stressful guys. and the only spot I can Post stuff about my Beats is one spot otherwise I get the Post I did Locked and shit. Bah what the hell ever man.. and I am the I think the only one who don't Vote for themselves either..Sucks

[LJCoffee]

At 2/19/09 10:57 PM, S-Rock wrote: ...When you get a High Score some Jackass wants to Vote you a 0 for some reason...Like they wanna get a Higher score.. it's just Stressful guys.

That will never change. Doesn't matter where you post or advertise - doesn't matter how the forums are set up - there will always be a bunch of bitchy little girls that have nothing better to do than to try to bring you down. Don't take it personally.

I love how this suddenly turned into yet another variation of the many 'pickaxe' topics. heh...

Hang in there man - do your best - some people will ove your stuff, others will hate it, others still will envy you and ... well... you know the rest.

[LiquidEvolution]

What you're asking for is like giving a child a bazooka. Destruction is ensured. Making sub-forums for genre's won't solve anything. It'll just add to the growing list of NG's problems. People will post their songs in the wrong genres, trolls will be going nuts 'causing fights in different forums, people will spam their songs, etc. No matter what you try. No matter what system you come up with. There will always be flaws and people will always exploit it.

[Psychophan7]

At 2/19/09 08:16 PM, S-Rock wrote: It's actually simple. I Capitalize some words to emphasize my point. like if people were to say something in Quotes.

It's actually annoying. There is a reason why there are rules to how things are written. You don't capitalize random words to give them emphasis, you use bold, underline, or italics. That's what those are for, to emphasize words. Your method makes it sound like you have some sort of speech impediment or you're forcefully choking someone to death. If someone is "saying" something in "quotes," then they're actually "saying" something else entirely than what they "wrote." It gives a "sense" of "words" having a double "meaning." They aren't trying to "emphasize" their words to give it a "stronger meaning," they're trying to convey something "beyond" what they're really "saying."

Anyway, what you're suggesting is redundancy. I'd rather have it the way it is, so that I only have to search through one or ten threads instead of thousands to find what I'm looking for. Some discussion thread taking place? Lemme just go through hundreds of pages of audio advertising threads to find it, instead of seeing it on the first or second pages.

Not only that, but as others have pointed out, the resources to achieve what you want are already in place.

[S-Rock]

Wow you have to be the Biggest Dick that posted on this so far.

your trying to hard to Impress yourself so just Chill out...Excuse me, CHILL out. moron, it's Common since what I mean when I caps my Words. SO you can "Stfu" and "Chill" the "Fuck" out..Ty

[Eirun]

Ever tried sharing this with Wade?

[KgZ]

At 2/20/09 01:53 PM, S-Rock wrote: Wow you have to be the Biggest Dick that posted on this so far.

your trying to hard to Impress yourself so just Chill out...Excuse me, CHILL out. moron, it's Common since what I mean when I caps my Words. SO you can "Stfu" and "Chill" the "Fuck" out..Ty

I honestly had to read this like 4 times before I understood what you said because it's so horribly structured. If you really want to emphasize something, just bold it man. People won't take you seriously if they can't understand you- presentation is key.

[Eirun]

That guy smells like Troll. I suggest not feeding him anymore.

[blackattackbitch]

At 2/20/09 02:01 PM, KgZ wrote: I honestly had to read this like 4 times before I understood what you said because it's so horribly structured. If you really want to emphasize something, just bold it man. People won't take you seriously if they can't understand you- presentation is key.

While this is true in formalities, this hardly constitutes a formal location. And this discussion isn't really that important. What's important is whether it's useful to have a section of the forum dedicated to advertisements. Honestly, I don't think so. We already have lists in each genre as well as the ability to sort through them according to title, date, and score. I regularly use the date function so that I can hear the newest classical pieces submitted.

Furthermore, a section dedicated to advertisements increases the likelyhood of someone mass-spamming their own music and silencing those who don't follow suit, leading to more butthurt and more problems for NG on top of the ones that already exist.

The Audio Forum is perfect as it is, in my opinion. Full of very beneficial discussion of techniques, technologies, and a sprinkle of contests here and there.

[LiquidEvolution]

At 2/20/09 02:12 PM, Eirun wrote: That guy smells like Troll. I suggest not feeding him anymore.

He's not a troll. He just hasn't been broken in by the NG way of life yet.

[KgZ]

At 2/20/09 02:15 PM, blackattackbitch wrote:

At 2/20/09 02:01 PM, KgZ wrote: I honestly had to read this like 4 times before I understood what you said because it's so horribly structured. If you really want to emphasize something, just bold it man. People won't take you seriously if they can't understand you- presentation is key.

While this is true in formalities, this hardly constitutes a formal location. And this discussion isn't really that important. What's important is whether it's useful to have a section of the forum dedicated to advertisements. Honestly, I don't think so. We already have lists in each genre as well as the ability to sort through them according to title, date, and score. I regularly use the date function so that I can hear the newest classical pieces submitted.

Furthermore, a section dedicated to advertisements increases the likelyhood of someone mass-spamming their own music and silencing those who don't follow suit, leading to more butthurt and more problems for NG on top of the ones that already exist.

The Audio Forum is perfect as it is, in my opinion. Full of very beneficial discussion of techniques, technologies, and a sprinkle of contests here and there.

I understand that the discussion isn't properly located, however I still think it's vital that when you want to bring up a suggestion or topic, you should present yourself clearly and intelligently, otherwise your message won't come across properly and efficiently.

Anyhow, I agree the audio forum is fine the way it is. Even if no one actually uses the audio advertisements, it serves a purpose better as a dump, so the forum won't become cluttered with said threads.

[Rucklo]

At 2/19/09 05:58 PM, S-Rock wrote: To discuss our Audio Submissions and Other Information about Music is something we are trying to do here in the Audio Forum. No spam is allowed, so I do my best not to distribute it.

If we all post on this Forum about Legit Music/Audio information "Not Spam" why do members of NG Lock posts? To keep less Mess/Clutter in the "Audio" forum?The Same Audio forum that we are supposed to be allowed to Post Threads on about Music and Such. I know it may seem like I am picking a Fight. I am not.
I think it is kind of unfair that people get their Posts Locked over a Legitimate Thought.

if it is a Concern about, keeping the Forums less Cluttered, Please make Separate sections for Advertisements so there is not a BUNCH of other Audio Clutter in ONE post that I have to go through. not only I, But other as well. Maybe people want to see nothing but a certain genre. I don't know.

Thank you.

First off, let me quote from the audio rules:
...The emphasis is firmly on the creation of music rather than listening and appreciation...

We actually bend this, by allowing discussions of NG-artists one way or another, at least if the discussion is interesting in some way ("OMFG PX9 IS TEH BESTEST" thread is not what I mean, the regs at least know what I'm talking about here).

Like stated many times before in this thread, not having genre-specific advertising threads is simply so that the forum won't get cluttered with them - all of a sudden it might even expand even beyond the current genres, and it'd just mess up the valid threads, the ones that are about the creation of music/audio!

Second, the forum isn't even the best way to advertise your music. Though it may recieve some attention, there are way better options - frontpage newspost, have the music featured in a successful flash, mouth-to-mouth (IM, chat) etc. etc.
Though I do think it would be absolutley sweet with an option to be able to check "newest songs in a specific genre", this is something that would need to be implemented in the system itself. You could suggest this specific feature in this thread, I don't recall having seen this being suggested. Note that I'm not talking about the forum now, rather an NG-feature!!!

I can agree that the audio adv. thread isn't the best thread out there, but there's the underdog list to weigh up for that, although I don't think that thread is all too active nowadays.

And I see somone mentioned contact Wade about this - this would be a waste of your and his time, since the ones that actually moderate this forum have the firsthand experience of what's OK and what's not. Allthough we as BBS-moderators obey Wade (we eat when he commands us, we sleep when he commands us, we clean up the mess when he commands us, we kill when he commands us, etc etc:), I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have too difficult to see the positive sides of NOT having separate threads, and I'm pretty sure he'd value our expertice of this forum quite high - that's why we were handpicked to mod this forum in the first place.

The audio specific rules, although rather old and slightly outdated, is still in its entireness very much valid. If there is something audio-forum specific, like something similiar to this subject, it's best to check with snayk, SBB and/or myself since we're the ones that actually keep this place clean, with our brooms and soap.

It's OK to question how things work around here, but you must understand that we've been here a long time, and we know how things work around here. When your previous thread got locked, it was with a reason, not as clear as the one I'm stating now, but it's still the MAIN reason we don't have genre specific advertising threads.

I have a very hard time weighing the pro's of such threads heavier than the cons, in fact, it's not even anywhere close.

[Chronamut]

I happen to agree entirely with rucklo on this one. I also agree with the bolding to emphasis your point, although I am completely guilty of doing what you do as well.

[blackattackbitch]

Well done Rucklo, very eloquent and very detailed.

At 2/20/09 03:03 PM, Rucklo wrote: Though I do think it would be absolutley sweet with an option to be able to check "newest songs in a specific genre", this is something that would need to be implemented in the system itself. You could suggest this specific feature in this thread, I don't recall having seen this being suggested. Note that I'm not talking about the forum now, rather an NG-feature!!!

There is a way to see the audio submissions by date according to genre in the audio portal. Just go to the drop down list, select a genre, then in that genre page, there's three selections next to each other on the top of the page called Score/title/date.

Is that what you were talking about, or were you talking about even more specificity in the genres, such as subgenres?

In that case, we could start a movement to have everyone put the subgenre next to their song name, then search according to name.

[S-Rock]

well I don't know how else to say this but, how could it be hard to understand what I am trying to say?
W/E...your acting like this is some sort of Professional lobby where uptight men in suits come to read about NG..it's not, in fact, Most of the people on this site are kids. I can Imagine anyway.

I can talk proper and I can type proper as well. The fact still remains that it shouldn't be too hard to understand what I was typing.

for example.
"Your such a FAG man" What am I trying to say? with the all caps on the word "fag" Obviously I am trying to say the dude is a damn Fag....Not hard.

another one.
"Man, I am getting pretty tired of this SHIT on this forum. We should just stop right about now. Right?"

I capitalize SHIT to state that there is a lot of Shit going on in this topic, right? is that hard to understand? what kind of Mind do you have to have to not realize that it's emphasizing the Stress behind what the topic is, or was? Hell my 10 year old neighbor figured it out...he is 10.

[S-Rock]

all I was trying to stress in this topic is: People who are trying to get their name out there with the intention to just get a good score in a legit manor, can't because their are too many people on this site that just give you a 0 because they want to be on top. I mean yeah that will never change, maybe. But maybe you shouldn't be able to vote unless you have listened to the whole song first? maybe that could change it, then people who are actually trying to vote have to really listen to it. or at least half the song before voting. cause I know if your some Dick your not gonna want to waste your time listening to songs just to give them a 0 :D

I was just saying, can anyone come up with an easier way to get your name out there without getting shit on cause the person is a Dick? lol