Guns N Roses: Metal Or Rock?

[DroopyA]

I say they're metal... I'd also say anyone that disagrees with me is either really young or just plain foolish. Regardless, it's a topic that usually comes up and everytime it does thre are always people who disagree with me.

So let's settle this Newgrounds... do you consider GNR Metal or some form of Rock?

And be prepared to backup your answers with reasons. This isn't a postCount+1 topic... it's a serious debate... one that may very well determin the future of our universe.

[Alastor]

I can already tell you're a douchebag.

[ForNoReason]

does that many people still care about GNR? I would consider them light metal, seeings as the genre of metal has evolved so much since GNR originally came out...

[JackPhantasm]

If it's metal it's pop-metal.

[CaptainDonutRanger]

Well, I do enjoy the universe...
Anyway, I would consider GNR rock, because I do not believe they are heavy enough to be metal. There isn't a real thing that depicts metal, rather than heaviness. I like GNR, and I also like Metallica. But one is metal, the other... not so much. Its not bad that they aren't metal.
I mean, Sweet Child O' Mine is certainly not metal, Nighttrain is not metal, the closest song to metal they have is probably the most listened to, Welcome to the Jungle. Axle Rose doesn't have the voice for metal, just like ACDC is just barley on the border of hard rock and heavy metal. The two singers sound very similar.
Plus, Slash is a bluesy guitarist. That's his style. Blues =/= Metal.

[DroopyA]

At 2/19/09 11:47 AM, Reed wrote: I've never really considered them metal but now that I think about it I guess they could be. Who cares what exact genre they fit into anyway

Who cares about anything we talk about here? It's life... what else are you going to do with your time? Might as well socialize with the rest of society right?

Also... they could be? They COULD BE? You're talking about the same band that drank and drugged themself so stupid before shows that they had to physically lean on their amplifiers to hold themself up on stage. This... while being lead by a crazy front man who fist fought their front row fans durring their headling tour with Metallica.

I wouldn't think there's any COULD Be about it... that sounds pretty metal to me.

[TheTrooper5]

Hard Rock.

[CaptainDonutRanger]

At 2/19/09 11:51 AM, DroopyA wrote: Also... they could be? They COULD BE? You're talking about the same band that drank and drugged themself so stupid before shows that they had to physically lean on their amplifiers to hold themself up on stage. This... while being lead by a crazy front man who fist fought their front row fans durring their headling tour with Metallica.

Drinking and drugging? You just described every rock and metal band to ever exist. Ozzy = Metal, and a drunk, cocaine snortin', crack smoking, acid-trippin stoner.
Alice Cooper was a drunk at one point, and Megadeth... well god knows if they are still into doin' that shit.

[InsertFunnyUserName]

At 2/19/09 11:55 AM, TheTrooper5 wrote: Hard Rock.

This.

I wouldn't exactly consider them metal, but they're too hard to be rock, either.

[Centurion-Ryan]

Hard Rock.

They're not agressive or complex enough to be Metal.

Maybe Hair Metal.

[sldghmmr]

There Bad.. Thats what they are

[Smidly]

At 2/19/09 12:26 PM, sldghmmr wrote: There Bad.. Thats what they are

I agree with you, but the fact that you mispelled they're makes me hate you.

[HandsomePete]

It took him 14 years and cost him all of his relevance to come out with an album that would've been on the fringe of the end of the genre if it had come out then. I think your question would be better stated as "Was Hair Metal actually metal?" and the answer is no.

[DroopyA]

At 2/19/09 11:47 AM, ForNoReason wrote: does that many people still care about GNR? I would consider them light metal, seeings as the genre of metal has evolved so much since GNR originally came out...

Not to me... Metal is a way of life, and if you where metal you still are metal. Black Sabbath is easily just as dated, yet nobody questions them as a metal band so why the double standard for GNR?

At 2/19/09 11:50 AM, CaptainDonutRanger wrote:

There isn't a real thing that depicts metal, rather than heaviness.

I would disagree here again... lots of metal bands have something to offer other then just heaviness. Iron Maiden and Dragonforce come to mind. Now true, those guys are a tad bit heavier then say, Creed, but they're still not what I would consider 'heavy' when you agknowledge the existance of bands like Vehemence or Cannibal Corpse.

At this point, you have to ask what it is that makes a band metal... is it the speed? Then how can bands like Crowbar be metal? Is it the screaming vocals? Then why are Black Sabbath and Iron Maiden metal?

To me, metal is all about attitude... it's like the blues in the sense that you can't just play the blues, you have to be the blues. A metal band is metal because of the attitude they present with their music. If the band is doing what they're doing because they want to shock people, set new standards, or just simply because they don't care enough about other peoples opinions to realize that their sound is outrageous and awkword... then it's metal. I think GNR fit nicely into this category... if you look at GNR as a whole, you'll notice that they never really tried to please anyone. Everything from the album art and lyrical content to the look and escapades of the members of them self wreaks of "Fuck you"... and the music that comes from that has to be metal. It's the only thing all metal bands have in common.

just like ACDC is just barley on the border of hard rock...

My point exactly... AC/DC are rock simply because they don't have the heavy metal attitude. Kiss, on the other hand, where widly considered metal... until Gene turned them into a marketing gimmick. Once Kiss lost the "Fuck everyone and lets just have fun attitude", they lost their metal standings.

At 2/19/09 12:00 PM, InsertFunnyUserName wrote: I wouldn't exactly consider them metal, but they're too hard to be rock, either.

At which point I would question the bands attitude... regardless of how drunk Creed get, they'll never be metal. Why? Because they'll never have the metal attitude. It's just like being a biker... you can own a harley, but that doesn't make you a Biker. It just makes you a guy that rides a motorcycle. You're not a Biker, unless you live and die by the Biker way of life.

At 2/19/09 12:37 PM, HandsomePete wrote: It took him 14 years and cost him all of his relevance to come out with an album that would've been on the fringe of the end of the genre if it had come out then.

I knew this would come up after I posted it and re-read what I wrote. I really wanted to add that I dont consider the new GnR, as GnR since none of the GnR members are still in the band. GnR is a name that Axel stole through high priced lawers and an unwillingness to move on or let it go. He owns it only because the other members in the band didn't care enough to fight for the name... they had new things they where doing.

New GnR isn't metal. I do agree there. I consider the Spegetti Incident the last GnR album. Everything that followed was simpley "Axel Rose"

[HandsomePete]

At 2/19/09 12:57 PM, DroopyA wrote:

I knew this would come up after I posted it and re-read what I wrote. I really wanted to add that I dont consider the new GnR, as GnR since none of the GnR members are still in the band. GnR is a name that Axel stole through high priced lawers and an unwillingness to move on or let it go. He owns it only because the other members in the band didn't care enough to fight for the name... they had new things they where doing.

New GnR isn't metal. I do agree there. I consider the Spegetti Incident the last GnR album. Everything that followed was simpley "Axel Rose"

That doesn't change my response at all though. Metallica in the 80s was metal: Kill 'em All, Master of Puppets... Maybe throw in some Megadeth, and then get into the Morbid Angel and that kinda shit.
GnR, Motley Crue, Twisted Sister... that wasn't metal. There's a reason the new nickname for Hair Metal is Cock Rock. It was always just a harder form of rock, never metal. Now, I'm not trying to say it was necessarily all bad, (except for Styper) but metal, no. That was a misnomer.

[newnerdproductionsTM]

Guns 'n Roses is Retro-Metal. Back before the emos screwed it up for the rest of us.

[HandsomePete]

At 2/19/09 01:06 PM, newnerdproductionsTM wrote: Guns 'n Roses is Retro-Metal. Back before the emos screwed it up for the rest of us.

You are honest to God the stupidest retard I've ever seen.

I just ran out to get a sub, and I was gonna come back and post a new thread, but instead I'm going to take my rage out on you:
1) Emos are not that prevalent anymore
2) Emo hating died before Emos did
3) Emo music came off of a variation of Punk, not metal
4) Emos have, nor ever would have, affected your life in any way
5) People hate Emos because everyone around them does and they want to feel like a part of the group, that is to say, it's Group Think.
6) People started hating Emos because they were easy targets. It let anyone be a bully, even those who usually got bullied themselves.

I'm not an Emo, I was out of school before it became a trend. I don't like Emo music. But I can tell you right now that I can tell a lazy bunch of bastards who can't think of anything original to make fun of when I see them. Stop with the emo threads, sliding in an emo jokes here and there, or putting shit about how bad you hate emos in your profile. Because you might as well be making fun of disco or dixieland jazz at this point. Lazy little pricks.

[xXKirokuXx]

Hmmmm Hard-Rock.

[MadCow]

questioning a bands genre is kinda a waste of time when the band sucks ass

[xXKirokuXx]

Hmmmm Hard-Rock.

[IMG]http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f 230/plyboy270/GNR.jpg[/IMG]

[Foustus]

They're definitely metal but after the original members broke up GNR does'nt exist anymore

[Nessbeatsfox]

At 2/19/09 11:45 AM, DroopyA wrote: I say they're metal... I'd also say anyone that disagrees with me is either really young or just plain foolish. Regardless, it's a topic that usually comes up and everytime it does thre are always people who disagree with me.

So let's settle this Newgrounds... do you consider GNR Metal or some form of Rock?

Well first of all, why does it matter. If you like them, why should the specific genre apply? Second, "metal" is "some form of rock". So if they are metal, then they are rock. And if they're rock, then they might be considered metal. The whole argument is just stupid. They're classic rock if anything (in my opinion). It's just music people. Enjoy it, or don't.

[DroopyA]

At 2/19/09 01:04 PM, HandsomePete wrote: That doesn't change my response at all though. Metallica in the 80s was metal:

You do realize GnR toured with Metallica right? As a second headliner...

There's a reason the new nickname for Hair Metal is Cock Rock.

I've never heard anyone refer to a Cock Rock band... although the term Hair METAL is still widly popular. The key word there, is METAL. I fail to see how a band is no longer metal just because time has passed... older bands aren't going to be as heavy as the newer ones... they're old and don't write new music, thus it's impossible to keep up with the modern changes. But to strip a metal band of it's metal title just because they retired is bullshit. We don't do that to sport-stars or presidents... why would do it to musicians?

In 1985 Bruce Springstein was Rock n Roll... I think it's fair to say GnR where a lot heavier then that, thus rendering them Metal. Keep in mind Metallica and Slayer where Thrash metal... I hate to be a sub-genra guy but it is important here. Metal didn't start with Metallica, it just got faster. Sabbath started the metal movement in the 70s... and there are, and where, plenty of metal bands that didn't need to speed pick their way into the genra. I would think GnR is one that fits in nicely. If we can rank Poision as a form of metal, I think GnR deserve their place without argument.

At 2/19/09 02:05 PM, Nessbeatsfox wrote: Well first of all, why does it matter. If you like them, why should the specific genre apply?

It doesn't... I just want to hold a conversation with other human beings for the sake of killing time. It's a pointless, friendly debate.... not everything in life has to be a serious life-and-death situation. It is possible to just talk about things for the fun of it, you know?

Second, "metal" is "some form of rock". So if they are metal, then they are rock.

Not falling for this. There are genras of music for a reason... it's because one form IS NOT the same as another. There is a diffrence between metal and rock... just because one inspired the other doesn't mean they are the same in the end. Rock was inspired by country, does that mean Mortician are a country a band?

[Metal-Sonic-v2]

People can squabble over the specificity of its genre, but the fact of the matter is that, no matter what, it will always be considered "music."

[OneLastCaress]

Classic Rock.

but their genre is slowly shifting more towards animal shit.

[DroopyA]

At 2/19/09 01:04 PM, HandsomePete wrote: Hair Metal

Second though on this... doesn't the existance of Hair Metal and GnRs strange absense from the genra make them more metal?

I mean... Hair Metal bands wore makeup, made themself look pretty, and spent a lot of time on flashy stage shows and backstage anticts with strippers. But GnR weren't that... when the trend in metal was to wear pink and sink about having a "good time", GnR where wearing black leather and drinking themself into fist fights. Their songs where about massive drug use and their album artwork featured skulls and rape victems.

Doesn't that say "heavy metal" loud and clear? They played faster, they played louder, and they refused to give a fuck about public image or joining in on the current trends. Even their artwork had the popular metal imagry... skulls and rape victems.

[Soldierofhentai21]

At 2/19/09 05:02 PM, DroopyA wrote:

At 2/19/09 01:04 PM, HandsomePete wrote: That doesn't change my response at all though. Metallica in the 80s was metal:

You do realize GnR toured with Metallica right? As a second headliner...

There's a reason the new nickname for Hair Metal is Cock Rock.

I've never heard anyone refer to a Cock Rock band... although the term Hair METAL is still widly popular. The key word there, is METAL. I fail to see how a band is no longer metal just because time has passed... older bands aren't going to be as heavy as the newer ones... they're old and don't write new music, thus it's impossible to keep up with the modern changes. But to strip a metal band of it's metal title just because they retired is bullshit. We don't do that to sport-stars or presidents... why would do it to musicians?

In 1985 Bruce Springstein was Rock n Roll... I think it's fair to say GnR where a lot heavier then that, thus rendering them Metal. Keep in mind Metallica and Slayer where Thrash metal... I hate to be a sub-genra guy but it is important here. Metal didn't start with Metallica, it just got faster. Sabbath started the metal movement in the 70s... and there are, and where, plenty of metal bands that didn't need to speed pick their way into the genra. I would think GnR is one that fits in nicely. If we can rank Poision as a form of metal, I think GnR deserve their place without argument.

At 2/19/09 02:05 PM, Nessbeatsfox wrote: Well first of all, why does it matter. If you like them, why should the specific genre apply?

It doesn't... I just want to hold a conversation with other human beings for the sake of killing time. It's a pointless, friendly debate.... not everything in life has to be a serious life-and-death situation. It is possible to just talk about things for the fun of it, you know?

Second, "metal" is "some form of rock". So if they are metal, then they are rock.

Not falling for this. There are genras of music for a reason... it's because one form IS NOT the same as another. There is a diffrence between metal and rock... just because one inspired the other doesn't mean they are the same in the end. Rock was inspired by country, does that mean Mortician are a country a band?

I believe that the proper term for Hair metal is Glam metal. It's perfectly reasonable. This is where bands like poison fit in. GnR, however, gos into general metal. This still means they were a metal band, they just had different focuses than say, Slayer. And Rock is hardly the same as metal. Rock evolved from: the blues(yes this is true), country, and jazz. Metal evolved from rock. Key word is evolved. Metal=/=rock. GnR are metal, plain and simple. They were a good band. May they now rest in peace.

[Chris-V2]

Generic hair metal/glam rock.

Put all objections in the "I Don't Give A Shit" box.

[triplenoob]

rock or metal who cares? and i dont know if anybody guessed it but people are talented calling music style like materials. rock, metal? no?

[MasterBalls]

I used to consider them a decent band with one or two good songs. Now I just... dislike them completely.