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You want to smoke weed. Gay people don't necessarily want to be gay, they just are. And that is the difference. You are doing something in which you have a choice and make a conscious decision, regardless about your arguments on choice, and you have made the decision and accepted the consequences. Gay people ARE gay, and there's very little they can do about it.

Also, there are other arguments I wish to get into about the effects of each on society. A gay person doesn't isn't ever a detriment, where as an intoxicated individual clearly can be. I say intoxicated meaning both alcohol, weed and other drugs.

You aren't being denied the right to marry or anything else, just the right to smoke weed. But you have clearly found ways to do that besides. A gay person, in the U.S., can't get married whereas a stoner can. Clear and distinct differences. I don't think the situations are comparable at all.

Ah, so thats where you get your inspiration from!

Lol damn gum that is an AWESOME argument against gay marriage ban. Hahahaha.

"Criminals can get married, why not gays?"

I will be ahead of the crowd when that happens.
People are bitches for having alcohol legal when weed isn't.
I know many people besides myself who smoke, and it doesn't fuck up their life, and it isn't a gateway drug, alcohol is. How do you think people start getting fucked up?
and weed is so much better for you. You can't get addicted, besides getting addicted to the feeling.

I guess that's the question - what's the difference between 'choice' and 'urge', if both are conditioned by environmental pressures?

And I could argue that gays are causing harm. I could argue that everyone who isn't having sex with only one life-partner or without the purpose of having babies is causing harm, because they're only pleasuring themselves and their partner and increasing the prevalence of STDs. If one was to consider it harmful to the world to pass around STDs with no intention of having offspring (I wouldn't, it's human) then gay sex is harmful.

But it's a minor harm, it's such an acceptable harm that it would be horrible for the state to forbid us indulging in such risky behaviour.

I would also argue that the urge to intoxicate yourself, for a human, is just as real as the urge to masturbate.

pot head sit down go roll your joint and shut up plz weed will never be legal

At 2/18/09 06:22 PM, gumOnShoe wrote:

You aren't being denied the right to marry or anything else, just the right to smoke weed. But you have clearly found ways to do that besides. A gay person, in the U.S., can't get married whereas a stoner can. Clear and distinct differences. I don't think the situations are comparable at all.

Blabla, all excuses aside, all you have to say is "yeah ok it's stupid for pot smokers to be punished with police intervention, fines and jailtime".

There doesn't even need to be other arguments.

But what about the MAN, pox.

What about the MAN.

OP is a genius and I agree 100%.

+1 supporter.

Smoking weed is a CHOICE... you're born gay....

I'm with you on that one.

People need to see the truth and realize cannabis is not a bad drug.

At 2/20/09 11:30 AM, ForNoReason wrote: Smoking weed is a CHOICE... you're born gay....

but do we really make choices? Or is it all an illusion?

At 2/20/09 11:38 AM, Earfetish wrote:

At 2/20/09 11:30 AM, ForNoReason wrote: Smoking weed is a CHOICE... you're born gay....

but do we really make choices? Or is it all an illusion?

Not to sound rude but.... What the fuck is that supposed to mean?

At 2/20/09 11:54 AM, ForNoReason wrote: Not to sound rude but.... What the fuck is that supposed to mean?

Do we only THINK we make choices, but actually our life choices are hard-wired into the most intricate physics controlling our brain chemistry? Where do physics-instructed processes end and the conciousness begin? Can we say with ANY confidence that what we think and do is not already hard-wired into this universe?

Like I have my beliefs because I was raised in an environment and born with an initial brain-state that would ensure I had those beliefs. My personality is very hard-wired into me.

For instance. I could decide right now to stop procrastinating and do my dissertation. However, the positioning of my neurons and my environmental pressures at the moment and of my past, of which I happened to be born into, are making me sit around typing shite. It will only be after a shower that I will get down to it. I might be under the illusion that this is all personal choice, but in reality I might be hopelessly bound to the world I was born in.

Like I might change my mind after typing that, and do my dissertation right now. But, in the theory I'm postulating, life circumstances made me BOUND to start posting here years ago and eventually get in this conversation in this thread. A slightly different diet when my mum was pregnant with me might have changed the course of history, but I am bound to this history.

For insance. If someone mapped everyone's minds into a virtual reality simulation of the Universe, if history progressed in an identical manner to that irl, then surely there's no free will?

I'm saying what if there's no free will, if we're all predestined or if we're stuck to material laws that conciousness can't break out of, then surely weed is just as much of a choice as cannabis.

At 2/20/09 12:12 PM, Earfetish wrote: I'm saying what if there's no free will, if we're all predestined or if we're stuck to material laws that conciousness can't break out of, then surely weed is just as much of a choice as cannabis.

* then surely homosexuality is just as much of a choice as cannabis.