Muslim leader claims Holocaust was

[Tony-DarkGrave]

Muslim leader claims Holocaust was God's punishment for Jews

An Islamic preacher who called for gay people to be put to death has caused further outrage with his comments about the Holocaust.

Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, 81, was at the centre of a row in 2004 when he came to London as a guest of Mayor Ken Livingstone, who was then heavily criticised by gay rights campaigners and Jewish organisations for inviting him.

He is head of the European Fatwa Council and spiritual leader of Islamicist organisation the Muslim Brotherhood.

al-Qaradawi is known to have supported suicide bombings in Israel, the oppression of women's rights and has argued in the past that homosexuals should be put to death.

On his Al-Jazeera programme, where he gives religious advice to millions of Muslims across Europe and the Middle East, he recently stated:

"Throughout history, Allah has sent people to the Jews to punish the for their corruption. The last punishment was orchestrated by Adolf Hitler.

"Through all that he did against them, even if the Jews has exaggerated the issue, he managed to put them in their place. This was divine punishment for them. By the will of Allah, the next time it will happen by the hands of the believers (ie: Muslims)."

In broadcasts in January he said he wished to go to Israel and shoot "the enemies of Allah, the Jews" before he dies and said Allah would take revenge for the bombardment of Palestine.

Ken Livingstone defended his decision to invite al-Qaradawi to London during his unsuccessful bid for re-election last year.

"We are clearly not going to see Dr Qaradawi on a gay rights march," he said.

"But you wouldn't see the Pope on a gay rights march and I would meet him."

Campaigner Peter Tatchell withdrew his support for Mr Livingstone over the issue and along with an LGBT Muslim group, the Board of Deputies of British Jews, Hindu and Sikh groups and the Gay and Lesbian Humanist Association, wrote to the Mayor expressing their anger at the meeting.

However, many other gay rights advocates, among them Stonewall chief executive Ben Summerskill, the Lesbian and Gay Coalition Against Racism and activist Linda Bellos supported Mr Livingstone, citing his "proud record" on human rights and social justice for lesbians and gay men.

The arguments raged for nearly a year, with Mr Livingstone insisting that as the Mayor of the most diverse city in the world it was right for him to meet with members of faith groups even if he disagreed with their views.

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KILL THE INFIDELS!!! back in the stone age if they didn't get it there way they you would be stoned to death.

[Killing-joke]

Theres people excomunicated from the Catholic Church for not believing the Holochaust ever happend.

There are some incredibly horrible types of people out there but you have to ask whether these people are high on something or not.
Besides every religion hates one another and they're always on each others backs, This is just an case of being an extremist overlord, that no one will ever takke notice of eventually anyway, He's like Granpa Simpson

[hansari]

At 2/18/09 09:34 AM, Killing-joke wrote: Theres people excomunicated from the Catholic Church for not believing the Holochaust ever happend.

There are some incredibly horrible types of people out there but you have to ask whether these people are high on something or not.
Besides every religion hates one another and they're always on each others backs, This is just an case of being an extremist overlord, that no one will ever takke notice of eventually anyway, He's like Granpa Simpson

Well said...

You'll find crazies everywhere you look. Theres no exclusive party, they're everywhere...

[poxpower]

Well I hope not a single religious person anywhere gets offended by this, after all WE SHOULD RESPECT OTHER PEOPLE'S BELIEFS, RIGHT?

Retards

[morefngdbs]

Haven't I read somewhere...more than once actually, that the Muslim Religion is a Religion of Peace ?

I wonder where anyone ever got that idea ?

Or was it just a misprint & they meant "Piece", as in, if you don't go along with anything a religious muslim leader says...they chop you into pieces!
But by following along with the B.S. you stay in One Piece!!!

[Tony-DarkGrave]

At 2/18/09 10:52 AM, morefngdbs wrote: Haven't I read somewhere...more than once actually, that the Muslim Religion is a Religion of Peace ?

yeah I know so peaceful, you get stoned to death because some book and pedophile (mohhamad) tell you its a crime against god.

[Diederick]

At 2/18/09 09:21 AM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote: Muslim leader claims Holocaust was God's punishment for Jews

Since when did they pick up a history book, learning that it happened in the first place?

[zephiran]

At 2/18/09 10:52 AM, morefngdbs wrote: Haven't I read somewhere...more than once actually, that the Muslim Religion is a Religion of Peace ?

Now, in religion class, we finns learn that Islam is a religion of law, just like judaism (and even christianity to some extent, although christianity tends to be more focused on salvation by belief alone).

Now, these guys are all over the news where I live.

There was even a swedish team of journalists who made a documentary on the subject of the vaticans realtionship with the ultra-conservative parts of the catholic church. Intriguing, it was.
I would just like to point out that these holohoaxers seem to be popping up all over the place these days, it is not merely a phenomenon indigenous to the muslim world. Any location where ultra-conservatism and religious fundamentalism (other definitions of stupidity in my opinion) is present would appear a breeding ground for these guys.

[MultiCanimefan]

So God punished 6 million people for a "crime" they weren't even around to partake in? Maes me glad I distanced myself from religion. Still a believer, but holy shit.

[zoolrule]

"The bombing of Palestine" is god's punishment to the Muslims for the terror they are doing.

Yeepeee! Religion makes so much sense.

[Tony-DarkGrave]

At 2/18/09 12:07 PM, zephiran wrote:

At 2/18/09 10:52 AM, morefngdbs wrote: Haven't I read somewhere...more than once actually, that the Muslim Religion is a Religion of Peace ?

Now, in religion class, we finns learn that Islam is a religion of law, just like judaism (and even christianity to some extent, although christianity tends to be more focused on salvation by belief alone).

yeah a religion based on a illiterate pedophile that happened to be their prophet.

[Scott570]

So what the muslims is trying to say is : We are not only Islamist, we are Nazist to?

Cuz thats how I got it

[gumOnShoe]

At 2/18/09 11:43 AM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote:

At 2/18/09 10:52 AM, morefngdbs wrote: Haven't I read somewhere...more than once actually, that the Muslim Religion is a Religion of Peace ?

yeah I know so peaceful, you get stoned to death because some book and pedophile (mohhamad) tell you its a crime against

Both of you can't distinguish between extremists and moderates. Remember remember?

Crusades?
Holocaust?
Every other war started by extremists?

By your logic, all Germans are nazis, all Christians would send their children off on a crusade to be kidnapped and sold into slavery, all Jews would slaughter Palestinians for the fun of it... I mean. The narrow minded blindness of your positions are disgusting.

[poxpower]

At 2/18/09 01:56 PM, gumOnShoe wrote:

Both of you can't distinguish between extremists and moderates. Remember remember?

1. It's stated plainly in their book that nonbelievers are to be punished by Allah.
2. You can't have religious extremists without a large population of moderates.

It's too late now, the books have been written and no matter how much you say you know how to interpret them, it's still written black on white how Allah feel about non-believers and anyone who claims that he's punishing whoever for being nonbelievers IS CORRECT BASED ON THE QURAN. Again, black on white, that's what it says. There's no interpretation to be made, just read the passages yourself and you'll see.

[Leeloo-Minai]

By my logic, pox has better critical analysis skills than the rest of the moderation team posting here.

How do you excise extremists without creating more, gumonshoe?

Why create excuses when the problem is staring you directly in the face?

[hansari]

At 2/18/09 02:28 PM, poxpower wrote:

At 2/18/09 01:56 PM, gumOnShoe wrote:

1. It's stated plainly in their book that nonbelievers are to be punished by Allah.
2. You can't have religious extremists without a large population of moderates.

I agree with the second part of your statement, but the first part is being told without considerations into how other religions (christianity/judaism) have stated similar things...

Also, according to some teachings "one" group of Christians among the numerous sects and "one" group of Jews will be accepted by Allah into heaven. (I assume the inference made here is towards the belief that these certain people were followers of religions branded with a different name but still lived lives that coincided with Islams teachings...)

Anyway, the main controversy and insanity that comes from Islamic teachings comes from Hadiths. These are "supposedly" recordings of the Prophets life and, for the larger portion of the muslim world, are considered in higher esteem than the Quran itself. This is where most of the batshit stuff comes out of like pedophilia/un-equal rights/etc...etc...

The problem here is that these Hadiths were recorded 400+ years after the prophet died and was therefore subject to pretty much anyone writing whatever they wanted and making whatever slight alterations they wanted so as to benefit themselves from it...

Not completely bizzarre to suggest such a thing. We know Christianity has a history of figures who used their position of power and the dominating religion of the time to their advantage...

[MortifiedPenguins]

I can't wait untill the day were we have advanced to a better form of energy and fuel rather then using oil.
Then we can just dump them back into the world they were in before the British showed up.

[Patton3]

Many Muslims have claimed the same thing, or something simialar, including President Mahmudd(Iran). As well, so did a pastor named John Haggee. Sort of like John McCain's Rev. Wright, only less publicized.

Anyway, fortunately people who claim this are few in number with little to no influence on the world stage.

[Tony-DarkGrave]

At 2/18/09 04:17 PM, Patton3 wrote: Many Muslims have claimed the same thing, or something simialar, including President Mahmudd(Iran). As well, so did a pastor named John Haggee. Sort of like John McCain's Rev. Wright, only less publicized.

Rev Wright was Obamas pastor you noob

[sh0k]

At 2/18/09 09:34 AM, Killing-joke wrote: Theres people excomunicated from the Catholic Church for not believing the Holochaust ever happend.

There are some incredibly horrible types of people out there but you have to ask whether these people are high on something or not.
Besides every religion hates one another and they're always on each others backs, This is just an case of being an extremist overlord, that no one will ever takke notice of eventually anyway, He's like Granpa Simpson

damn, on the first reply someone was thinking the same thing i was...theres crazy people in every group people just pick out stories about muslims because....welll Americans hate muslims

[Brick-top]

That's horrible!

I'll now beat my wife and kill some homosexuals.

PRAISE ALLAH!

[poxpower]

At 2/18/09 05:47 PM, sh0k wrote:

damn, on the first reply someone was thinking the same thing i was...theres crazy people in every group people just pick out stories about muslims because....welll Americans hate muslims

Now that is some high-level ignorance right there.
Like. Hooooooooly shit.

People seem to think that as long as they say nice things about others, they must be right.
no

[Patton3]

At 2/18/09 04:50 PM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote:

At 2/18/09 04:17 PM, Patton3 wrote: Many Muslims have claimed the same thing, or something simialar, including President Mahmudd(Iran). As well, so did a pastor named John Haggee. Sort of like John McCain's Rev. Wright, only less publicized.

Rev Wright was Obamas pastor you noob

I know, I was saying that John Hagee was to McCain what Wright was to Obama, a religious person that noone wants supporting their campaign.
It's my fault for the mistake though, I phrased that rather poorly.

[bcdemon]

At 2/18/09 04:17 PM, Patton3 wrote: Many Muslims have claimed the same thing, or something simialar, including President Mahmudd(Iran).

Irans President Ahmadinejad doesn't question that a mass killing of Jews happened, he just questions the numbers (6 million). And to be honest, I'm curious myself where that number came from. Who came up with that finding and how.

[Patton3]

At 2/18/09 06:11 PM, bcdemon wrote:

At 2/18/09 04:17 PM, Patton3 wrote: Many Muslims have claimed the same thing, or something simialar, including President Mahmudd(Iran).

Irans President Ahmadinejad doesn't question that a mass killing of Jews happened, he just questions the numbers (6 million). And to be honest, I'm curious myself where that number came from. Who came up with that finding and how.

Yes, and his claim falls under "something simialar". And the numbers come fromthe records that the Einsatzgrupen and camp doctors kept. The camp officials recorded everyone who came through those gates. So really, it's highly probable they're underestimated.

[Oblivia]

At 2/18/09 09:34 AM, Killing-joke wrote: Theres people excomunicated from the Catholic Church for not believing the Holochaust ever happend.

There are some incredibly horrible types of people out there but you have to ask whether these people are high on something or not.
Besides every religion hates one another and they're always on each others backs, This is just an case of being an extremist overlord, that no one will ever takke notice of eventually anyway, He's like Granpa Simpson

If it's just a handful of crazy zealots who managed to get media access, that's understandable. But when the leaders are saying similar rhetoric, then there's a problem.

[SmilezRoyale]

This claim by the Muslim leader poses a slight problem... if the holocaust was created by god it couldn't have been a lie by the Zionists... then obviously the invasion of palestine was not a conspiracy.

[aninjaman]

Wait so we can steroetype people now?
Or only Muslims?

[Leeloo-Minai]

At 2/18/09 09:11 PM, aninjaman wrote: Wait so we can steroetype people now?
Or only Muslims?

I stereotype every NG poster.

You're closer to the bottom.

[hansari]

At 2/18/09 01:56 PM, gumOnShoe wrote: This is a leader on a council that is supposed to represent all of the muslims in the UK.

"He is head of the European Fatwa Council and spiritual leader of Islamicist organisation the Muslim Brotherhood."

I don't think its fair to cluster all muslims into the group that follow under this mans preachings.

Considering the numerous sects of Islam and the fact that, just as followers of other religions, a good percentage (majority even) aren't hardlined strict followers and even skip a few holy days...

Doing so is like grabbing one controversial Christian televangalist/radio icon and espousing that all Christians feel the same way. Or grabbing Bill O'Reilly and claiming all Republicans are just as big douchebags...

At 2/18/09 01:56 PM, gumOnShoe wrote: This does not reflect well on muslims, no matter how you spin it. Not to mention that these sorts of 'extremist' preachers are being unveiled practically daily in the UK.

I agree... its a shame the muslims of the UK have yet to feel humiliated enough to push forward a moderate, sensible man of islam to promote their beliefs. (as such figures can be found in say US...Canada...)