Palestine and Israel?

[Empanado]

Ok, i want to clear out a doubt that i have.

I heard some time ago that, in the US, few or no information at all is broadcasted about the Israeli attacks over Palestinian civilians. (including but not excluding: bombing, murdering, bullying, human rights violations, imprisonement, illegal punishment, selective killings, etc) Y'know, for example on my country, at least 1 or 2 times a week we get some info on the TV news or the newspaper of one of these. (at least 1 or 2 times a week, lately it's been around 4-5 weekly)

The point is, that i've heard that little or no info about this is broadcasted on the US because several "important persons" on politics, economics, mass media, etc etc are jews, therefore its not convenient for the US to divulge any non-favourable information about Israel and they prefer only to informate about the suicide attacks by Palestinian extremists.

I'd just want to ask to you Americans, is that true? Because that would explain, among other stuff, the lack of discussion of the subject on this board, the lack of interest from Americans on the subject, and the overall view of Palestinians as terrorists.

(sorry about any typos)

[RedSkunk]

At 12/29/03 11:19 PM, Empanado wrote: The point is, that i've heard that little or no info about this is broadcasted on the US because several "important persons" on politics, economics, mass media, etc etc are jews, therefore its not convenient for the US to divulge any non-favourable information about Israel and they prefer only to informate about the suicide attacks by Palestinian extremists.

I would have to say that any news coverage about Israeli attacks on Palestinian targets are wholly sanitized as 'military operations', and Palestinian casualties are not heavily emphasized, while Palestinian suicide bombers/ etc., are always portrayed as savage, etc..

But, I see the charges that the reason behind this is because of "Jewish control of the airwaves" as unfounded and untrue. It's more likely the pressure from the government and the large conglomerates that own the television stations, newspapers, etc. that decides how the middle east is covered.

My opinion on American news media is pretty poor on the whole though.

[bumcheekcity]

Do you really have a that biased media? In the UK we probably get slightly more pro-Palestinian stuff, but it's about 50-50. The major news channels are very un-biased.

[Gibberish]

At 12/30/03 04:33 AM, bumcheekcity wrote: Do you really have a that biased media? In the UK we probably get slightly more pro-Palestinian stuff, but it's about 50-50. The major news channels are very un-biased.

By UK law, the five mian TV channels - and the BBC's channels - have to be unbiased.

[bumcheekcity]

At 12/30/03 08:24 AM, Gibberish wrote: By UK law, the five mian TV channels - and the BBC's channels - have to be unbiased.

Really? Well Newsnight is Really left isn't it?

[Jimsween]

To be honest we don't get much about Palestine and Isreal at all, and if we do it is only a couple of words.

I think you all are overestimateing how much Americans care about international politics. If CNN were to show constant coverage of things that don't effect the people watching, nobody would watch any more, so they only show dramatic things like CIA corruption and things like that. If you want news listen to NPR, if you want entertaining news watch CNN. This doesn't make the things CNN says any less credible though, it just means they don't show alot of stuff.

[bumcheekcity]

At 12/30/03 04:32 PM, Jimsween wrote: I think you all are overestimateing how much Americans care about international politics.

So, the average American doesn't really care about the world around him?

[Jimsween]

At 12/30/03 05:19 PM, bumcheekcity wrote:

At 12/30/03 04:32 PM, Jimsween wrote: I think you all are overestimateing how much Americans care about international politics.

So, the average American doesn't really care about the world around him?

Not until it effects them directly.

This is going to make you shit your pants then. Look at all the resolutions that are related to Israel/Palestine.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/USvsWorldUN_WBlum.html

The U.S. turns a blind eye to isreali atrocities and helps out israel just like it did with Iraq in the 80s?

Why?

Socio-Economic interests.

[Jimsween]

At 12/30/03 05:34 PM, swallowing_shit wrote: This is going to make you shit your pants then. Look at all the resolutions that are related to Israel/Palestine.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/USvsWorldUN_WBlum.html
The U.S. turns a blind eye to isreali atrocities and helps out israel just like it did with Iraq in the 80s?
Why?
Socio-Economic interests.

What the hell are you talking about? What does this have to do with Americans not caring about international politics?

At 12/30/03 05:38 PM, Jimsween wrote: What the hell are you talking about? What does this have to do with Americans not caring about international politics?

the lack of discussion of the subject on this board, the lack of interest from Americans on the subject, and the overall view of Palestinians as terrorists.

Look at the topic of the thread plz

Most Americans aren't aware of the palestinian point of view of the conflict because of the ecnomic interests the U.S. has in Isreal and the middle east. Also, Empanado points out that 'i've heard that little or no info about this is broadcasted on the US because several "important persons" on politics, economics, mass media, etc etc are jews' but really it has nothing to do with their religion, it's all about the $_$.

[TheMason]

During the last intifada, we heard alot over here about the Isreali attacks on the Palestinians in Jenin and I have heard alot in the media about Sharon's record from the early '80s in Beruit and the war crimes he committed.

As for the Jewish controlled media, the US is a Christian (for the most part) country and has a hard time understanding Islam and other religions (becuase Christianity is NOT a tolerant religion).

Personally, I think most Americans have lost their revolutionary roots and have lost the ability to understand and sympathize with oppressed peoples.

[TheMason]

At 12/30/03 08:24 AM, Gibberish wrote:

At 12/30/03 04:33 AM, bumcheekcity wrote: Do you really have a that biased media? In the UK we probably get slightly more pro-Palestinian stuff, but it's about 50-50. The major news channels are very un-biased.

By UK law, the five mian TV channels - and the BBC's channels - have to be unbiased.

How can that be? Bias is not something that you can simply legislate away. Somewhere along the way someone (an editor/producer) will have to make a decision on what stories to cover/air and what stories to not cover/air. Furthermore, the reporter on the scene has to make decisions on what information to include in their report. At some level these people's biases will seep into the news. If this was not the case, there would simply be too much information to air/print in the space available.

The issue of American news being biased is kind of trumped up. A true biased media would be one in which the major channels were operated by a political party or the state. We do not have that here. What we do have is slanted journalism, and this is where the decisions made by those who operate/produce the reporting.

Lastly, I think we hear alot on Isreal/Palestine. However, most Americans tune it out (until a 9-11 happens, then we go back to sleep). I think CNN is more balanced in their reporting while Fox news is too slanted towards Isreal.

[Gibberish]

Yeah, but they have to balance it.

Personally, I think the Israeli's are really greedy. They should get the fuck out of Palestine and let the UN bring in peacekeeping forces.

Also, British intelligence had to release the information it gathered in 1973 under the 30-Year-Law yesterday, and they revealed America had plans to invade Saudi, because the Middle-Eastern countries cut off thier oil because America supported Israel.

Personally, I think that at the moment Palestine has very little firepower, but as Israel invade and destroy Palestine, the Palestinian children / next generation are filled with hate, and in about 20 years time, Israel will be suffering a hell of a lot of suicide bombers every day. The BBC once went to a Palestinian school, and found most of the children's dreams were to become suicide bombers.

And it makes sense - if you're being constantly abused like them, you probably will want to die. And why not take your enemies with you?

Isn't it ironic thta the survivors of the Holocaust are now abusing the Palestinians?

[TheMason]

Gibberish,

I couldn't agree with you more! Even as early as '48 Bengurion (Isreal's first PM) is quoted as saying the only good Arab is a dead Arab.

Is it any wonder people are willing to give their lives to fight the Isreali government? France and the Soviet Union stopped supporting the country. Why don't we?

[diazepim]

At 1/2/04 06:13 AM, Gibberish wrote:
Isn't it ironic thta the survivors of the Holocaust are now abusing the Palestinians?

Yup exactly... the persecuted now being the persecutors... Israelis get only support from US... without US, Israelis would be practicing Muslim since 1980s.

It's good to side with a world superpower.

Even when the World Consel on Racism says that Israel is the most prejudice nation on the planet... Israelis got America to say said fuck all y'all. One thing being a world superpower is that you don't have to agree with anybody... you can overtake countries (iraq) at will.

But siding with Americans.. Israelis are being more of a burden than a benefiting alliance... Terrorism against America has risen... 9/11 attributed to hatred of US/Israelis policies against Muslim Arabs...

Every freakn news since I was born is about Israel... middle east... violence in israel...

Hey you ISRAELIS, don't you get there's a PROBLEM... A NON STOPPABLE PROBLEM with ISRAEL. WORLD PEACE COULD BE ACHIEVED WITHOUT ISRAEL.

[stonedpimp69]

At 12/30/03 04:33 AM, bumcheekcity wrote: Do you really have a that biased media? In the UK we probably get slightly more pro-Palestinian stuff, but it's about 50-50. The major news channels are very un-biased.

Yeah. Especially the BBC which I happen to get. It's also ultra-right wing, pro war in Iraq, totally non biased when it comes to Bush/Blair.
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[swaenK]

Truethfully I am not very informed about that. Media is very corrupt, it's all about money. The government will and can stop the money flow by using its power to change peoples stance and opinion what should be said and done...

but thats a different story sorry.