At 2/17/09 04:16 PM, JoS wrote: Perhaps there shoudl be an investigation into the weapons and tactics of Hamas as well. As I recall the IDF found schools and zoo's that had been booby-trapped.
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Do you know what a non sequitur is? Just because Hamas is violating international law doesn't mean that the IDF is instantly exonerated.
I have no country to fight for; my country is the earth; I am a citizen of the world
-- Eugene Debs
At 2/18/09 11:09 PM, bcdemon wrote:At 2/18/09 07:58 PM, Doonie wrote: If? When in hell have they not committed a crime? People here are obsessive about a very moral country and army, fueled by propaganda, ignorance, anti-semitism and religious hatred. Here we are fucking criticized for using bombed meant to reduce the amount of the enemy's civilian casualties, while the enemy itself tries to maximize it own civilian casualties and ours.Just curious, but how many times has Israel charged Hamas with war crimes? You swear up and down that everything Hamas does is a crime, then why hasn't Israel laid any charges at the Hague?
Considering you are from the area you may be able to educate me on this, but why is it that instead of Israel placing war crimes charges or any other charges under international law against Hamas, Israel chooses war tactics?
Did you even read one of my last 50 posts? Because they are not obligated to them.
Are you fucking kidding me? Are you denying the fact that they do warcrimes? They always do a crimes, their whole tactics are crimes, they NEVER act according to any laws, even ethic humane laws like i already said. They got top-technology weapons from Russia, and at the same time they do not have to listen to any laws.
Let's make it clear, even the most simple thing - their only way of fighting is in civilian homes. That's their ONLY tactic, they'll never get out and fight out of buildings and stuff. That's already a war crime. The rockets, every single one of them, is war crime.
When a robber kidnaps a civilian, holds him in front of him to not get shot by the cops, and the cops accidentally kill the hostage, the robber is charged in murder, and not the cop. - Another war crime.
They are not being charged because there's no one to charge, when they want they are the "Legally elected government", when they want they are a "Resistance movment", when they want they don't control their people, when they want they do. They are manipulating everyone. They are pure evil.
Just a slight look in your posts shows what kind of person you are.Well let's see, I question Israel so that makes me an anti-semite. I question Israel so that makes me an Arab. I question Israel so that makes me want every Israeli dead. How am I doing so far?
It has nothing to do with questioning Israel, i'm happy when people question Israel, but most of them after a while understand.
You constantly ignore every argument and every thing said to you, and blindly support a fanatic terror organization, you slipped a "Brainwashed Zionist" once, you slipped some holocaust denials few times.
One of your first few messages here was that the Palestinians proved who they really are in the Oslo accords, even though they fulfilled none of their requirements, and Israel fulfilled them all, they refused the final offer we gave them with 95% of their land and Jerusalem as their capital, started the Second Intifada and used the weapons we gave them in 1994-2000, against us. Until today.
The real person eventually comes out...
At 2/19/09 09:36 AM, Doonie wrote:At 2/18/09 11:09 PM, bcdemon wrote:Did you even read one of my last 50 posts? Because they are not obligated to them.At 2/18/09 07:58 PM, Doonie wrote: If? When in hell have they not committed a crime? People here are obsessive about a very moral country and army, fueled by propaganda, ignorance, anti-semitism and religious hatred. Here we are fucking criticized for using bombed meant to reduce the amount of the enemy's civilian casualties, while the enemy itself tries to maximize it own civilian casualties and ours.Just curious, but how many times has Israel charged Hamas with war crimes? You swear up and down that everything Hamas does is a crime, then why hasn't Israel laid any charges at the Hague?
Considering you are from the area you may be able to educate me on this, but why is it that instead of Israel placing war crimes charges or any other charges under international law against Hamas, Israel chooses war tactics?
Are you fucking kidding me? Are you denying the fact that they do warcrimes? They always do a crimes, their whole tactics are crimes, they NEVER act according to any laws, even ethic humane laws like i already said. They got top-technology weapons from Russia, and at the same time they do not have to listen to any laws.
Let's make it clear, even the most simple thing - their only way of fighting is in civilian homes. That's their ONLY tactic, they'll never get out and fight out of buildings and stuff. That's already a war crime. The rockets, every single one of them, is war crime.
When a robber kidnaps a civilian, holds him in front of him to not get shot by the cops, and the cops accidentally kill the hostage, the robber is charged in murder, and not the cop. - Another war crime.
Yes I understand some of their tactics are horrible and are technically war crimes as well. But Israel's retaliation to these war crimes in the past has shown just as much gross neglect for harming innocents as they have, and that's not right for either side to do. Do I hole Israel to a higher standard than Hamas? Yes definitely, because they are a US Ally. And I am going to hold any country that is getting support from my country to a higher standard. Israel, in the past has fired a missile into a crowded street to take out a single target. Israel has lobbed tank shells into neighborhoods.
If a police officer accidentally shoots the hostage in the scenario you mentioned, no it's not the cops fault. But if the cops begin firing without even caring if they hit the criminal or the hostage, then yes that is a crime against the police. That is what Israel in the past has had a very bad habit of doing. And is the reason that I don't think that they deserve assistance from the US until they break that habit. Will that happen, I doubt it.
They are not being charged because there's no one to charge, when they want they are the "Legally elected government", when they want they are a "Resistance movment", when they want they don't control their people, when they want they do. They are manipulating everyone. They are pure evil.
I wouldn't call them pure evil. They are fighting for their right to exist and what many of them think is rightfully theirs. Unfortunately they have taken some extremist actions in order to get what they think belongs to them, which I do not agree with. But good and evil depends on the point of view. From my perspective neither side is on the side of good because neither side really seems to care what happens to the innocents on both sides.
At 2/19/09 12:36 PM, ReiperX wrote:At 2/19/09 09:36 AM, Doonie wrote:Yes I understand some of their tactics are horrible and are technically war crimes as well. But Israel's retaliation to these war crimes in the past has shown just as much gross neglect for harming innocents as they have, and that's not right for either side to do. Do I hole Israel to a higher standard than Hamas? Yes definitely, because they are a US Ally. And I am going to hold any country that is getting support from my country to a higher standard. Israel, in the past has fired a missile into a crowded street to take out a single target. Israel has lobbed tank shells into neighborhoods.At 2/18/09 11:09 PM, bcdemon wrote:Did you even read one of my last 50 posts? Because they are not obligated to them.At 2/18/09 07:58 PM, Doonie wrote: If? When in hell have they not committed a crime? People here are obsessive about a very moral country and army, fueled by propaganda, ignorance, anti-semitism and religious hatred. Here we are fucking criticized for using bombed meant to reduce the amount of the enemy's civilian casualties, while the enemy itself tries to maximize it own civilian casualties and ours.Just curious, but how many times has Israel charged Hamas with war crimes? You swear up and down that everything Hamas does is a crime, then why hasn't Israel laid any charges at the Hague?
Considering you are from the area you may be able to educate me on this, but why is it that instead of Israel placing war crimes charges or any other charges under international law against Hamas, Israel chooses war tactics?
Are you fucking kidding me? Are you denying the fact that they do warcrimes? They always do a crimes, their whole tactics are crimes, they NEVER act according to any laws, even ethic humane laws like i already said. They got top-technology weapons from Russia, and at the same time they do not have to listen to any laws.
Let's make it clear, even the most simple thing - their only way of fighting is in civilian homes. That's their ONLY tactic, they'll never get out and fight out of buildings and stuff. That's already a war crime. The rockets, every single one of them, is war crime.
When a robber kidnaps a civilian, holds him in front of him to not get shot by the cops, and the cops accidentally kill the hostage, the robber is charged in murder, and not the cop. - Another war crime.
It's some and it's not as well. All of their tactics are war crimes, and Israeli war crimes are doubtful. Our army is probably the most humane army in the world.
If a police officer accidentally shoots the hostage in the scenario you mentioned, no it's not the cops fault. But if the cops begin firing without even caring if they hit the criminal or the hostage, then yes that is a crime against the police. That is what Israel in the past has had a very bad habit of doing. And is the reason that I don't think that they deserve assistance from the US until they break that habit. Will that happen, I doubt it.
ROFL. "BEGIN FIRING WITHOUT CARING". That's just a pathetic argument, you made me laugh. Don't find excuses, use your fucking logic.
No matter what, the responsibility is on the robber. If the cop didn't shoot the hostage for the sake of shooting him and killing him, it's the robber's crime. Hamas are intentionally using the population as human shields, while launching rockets and attacking Israel, to not get killed, or to gain propaganda, a win win situation.
They try to defend yourself by firing rockets and fighting while using own population as human shields, and eventually getting fired back. Is your crime.
Hamas's crime, not Israel's. 100% Hamas.
So is the Hamas rockets launching into Israel.
They are not being charged because there's no one to charge, when they want they are the "Legally elected government", when they want they are a "Resistance movment", when they want they don't control their people, when they want they do. They are manipulating everyone. They are pure evil.I wouldn't call them pure evil. They are fighting for their right to exist and what many of them think is rightfully theirs. Unfortunately they have taken some extremist actions in order to get what they think belongs to them, which I do not agree with. But good and evil depends on the point of view. From my perspective neither side is on the side of good because neither side really seems to care what happens to the innocents on both sides.
Pure evil. FIGHTING FOR THEIR RIGHT TO EXIST? L-O-L.
They are fighting for the destruction of Israel, not for their right to exist. That's their goal, that's what they claim their goal, that's their official goal and that's what they are doing pretty good by now with the weapon of propaganda.
Get it - They deny OUR right to exist, OUR? Do you get it? We openly support and work for the creationg of a Palestinian state, and they still deny our right, even though we are the strongest nation in the middle east right now, and unquestionably superior to them. They vowed to fight us til our death and they are keeping their word pretty well.
We do care about the innocents on both sides, they don't care about the innocents in either side. Human shields of own population and launching rockets into our cities proves that, and the fact that we can kill every single Hamas member in 5 minutes if we actually wanted that, but we don't because they use the population as human shields, and civilians would die if we do that - proves that.
The fact that you think neither side cares about the civilians shows how well is the Arab propaganda doing. Fuck.
At 2/19/09 01:08 PM, Doonie wrote:At 2/19/09 12:36 PM, ReiperX wrote:At 2/19/09 09:36 AM, Doonie wrote:
It's some and it's not as well. All of their tactics are war crimes, and Israeli war crimes are doubtful. Our army is probably the most humane army in the world.
Yes I understand some of their tactics are horrible and are technically war crimes as well. But Israel's retaliation to these war crimes in the past has shown just as much gross neglect for harming innocents as they have, and that's not right for either side to do. Do I hole Israel to a higher standard than Hamas? Yes definitely, because they are a US Ally. And I am going to hold any country that is getting support from my country to a higher standard. Israel, in the past has fired a missile into a crowded street to take out a single target. Israel has lobbed tank shells into neighborhoods.
If a police officer accidentally shoots the hostage in the scenario you mentioned, no it's not the cops fault. But if the cops begin firing without even caring if they hit the criminal or the hostage, then yes that is a crime against the police. That is what Israel in the past has had a very bad habit of doing. And is the reason that I don't think that they deserve assistance from the US until they break that habit. Will that happen, I doubt it.ROFL. "BEGIN FIRING WITHOUT CARING". That's just a pathetic argument, you made me laugh. Don't find excuses, use your fucking logic.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9825313/
Missile fired at a car. Both bystanders and the targets killed. This doesn't look like they cared about casualties to me. (yes it is 2005 but just showing that it is a tendency for Israel to do).
http://articles.latimes.com/2004/feb/29/
world/fg-mideast29
Another missile into a crowded street vs a car.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan /03/gaza-israel-attacks-artillery
Artillery strike on a mosque before the recent invasion of Gaza.
More than 400 Palestinians and at least four Israelis have been killed since Israel launched its offensive last Saturday. The UN estimated yesterday that a quarter of the Palestinians killed were civilians.
So estimated 100 civilian deaths in about a week vs four Israeli deaths.
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article 6918.shtml
At approximately 2:30 am Friday, 18 May 2007, Israeli helicopters fired three missiles at a group of Palestinians in Shajaiya area, east of Gaza City, killing five and injuring six. Eyewitnesses told Al Mezan that IOF fired a first missile and once people hurried to aid the injured, fired another two killing and injuring more people. Medical sources reported they were able to reach the injured one hour after the attack as the helicopters fired at them each time they tried to approach them.
Shooting at rescue workers is pretty reprehensible no matter what.
No matter what, the responsibility is on the robber. If the cop didn't shoot the hostage for the sake of shooting him and killing him, it's the robber's crime. Hamas are intentionally using the population as human shields, while launching rockets and attacking Israel, to not get killed, or to gain propaganda, a win win situation.
If the police shoot at the robber and hostage without trying to not hit the hostage, then it is the police's fault. If the police take action to not hit the hostage, but hit him or her anyways then it isn't the police's fault. But you don't fire a missile into a hostage situation. You don't shoot tank rounds at a hostage situation. You use strategic fire (sniper fire). You follow them until you do have a clear shot. Civilians are going to be killed no matter what in a war, this is something that is totally unavoidable. But in the Israel/Palestinian war neither side generally seems to try to avoid civilian casualties. I'm not defending Hamas's tactics, but I can't say that Israel's are that much better. With the use of DIME bombs I think it's a step in the right direction though at least.
They try to defend yourself by firing rockets and fighting while using own population as human shields, and eventually getting fired back. Is your crime.
Hamas's crime, not Israel's. 100% Hamas.
So is the Hamas rockets launching into Israel.
You seem pretty dead set at not even wanting to look at it from their perspective. Just your own. As Yoda would say "the dark side clouds your judgment it does".
Pure evil. FIGHTING FOR THEIR RIGHT TO EXIST? L-O-L.
So tell me are all Palestinians pure evil?
They are fighting for the destruction of Israel, not for their right to exist. That's their goal, that's what they claim their goal, that's their official goal and that's what they are doing pretty good by now with the weapon of propaganda.
Because some of them believe that the only that they will be able to survive is by eradicating Israel.
Get it - They deny OUR right to exist, OUR? Do you get it? We openly support and work for the creating of a Palestinian state, and they still deny our right, even though we are the strongest nation in the middle east right now, and unquestionably superior to them. They vowed to fight us til our death and they are keeping their word pretty well.
Have I once said that I agree with their philosophy or that they are in the right for wanting to get rid of Israel? No. But to call them pure evil just doesn't do it. They are fighting for what they believe is right just like Israel is doing. But it doesn't make either side good of evil, and it doesn't mean that both sides aren't wrong. Israel has taken steps to creating a Palestinian state, and many Israelis and Palestinian's support this movement. But you make it seem that none of them want this they just want Israel gone and that simply is not the case.
We do care about the innocents on both sides, they don't care about the innocents in either side. Human shields of own population and launching rockets into our cities proves that, and the fact that we can kill every single Hamas member in 5 minutes if we actually wanted that, but we don't because they use the population as human shields, and civilians would die if we do that - proves that.
Israel shows very limited restraint. And Israel knows there would be serious repercussions if they did do something that would, as you say kill every Hamas member in 5 minutes. Because if Israel did something like that then Israel would end up ceasing to exist.
The fact that you think neither side cares about the civilians shows how well is the Arab propaganda doing. Fuck.
How about showing me where Israel shows serious restraint and tries to avoid the civilian casualties. I wouldn't say their propaganda is working because I don't support either side in this war.
I found this article recently published by a Canadian think-tank and figured it may be pertanent to this topic.
These are in refrence to Lebanon, but Hamas has also taken a page right out of their playbook.
There was also outrage as the media carried photographs of two ancient ambulances, much dented; with the allegation they had been shot up by an Israeli helicopter gun ship. Typically, vehicles shot up by Apache gunships catch fire; which the ambulances in question hadn't. Moreover, gunfire normally comes from a single direction and 30mm HEDP shells leave identifiable characteristics when they hit sheet metal. The multiple dents and square-looking holes ripped in the ambulances looked consistent with repeated blows from vigorously wielded hand tools.
There were also photographs of the same elderly woman bewailing her shattered home - different buildings and offered weeks apart -- suggesting 'Granny' was from Hizbollah Central Casting and posing for 'Israel-bomb-my-home' shots.
Photographs from the rescue of a construction worker at the scene of an ordinary workplace accident in Beirut were 'mislabeled' as the rescue of a bombing victim.
The media is the new weapon in warfare.
Bellum omnium contra omnes
At 2/19/09 02:34 PM, ReiperX wrote: link.
What's surprising here? We have discussed about it already.
They are using them as human shields, using them to launch rockets at Israel. When we shoot back, it's their fault not ours. What did you show me? An precise bombing in 2004? and 2007?
Do you fucking realize that they shoot 3500 rockets into Israeli cities using the population as human shields? Do you fucking get it?
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article %206918.shtml
At approximately 2:30 am Friday, 18 May 2007, Israeli helicopters fired three missiles at a group of Palestinians in Shajaiya area, east of Gaza City, killing five and injuring six. Eyewitnesses told Al Mezan that IOF fired a first missile and once people hurried to aid the injured, fired another two killing and injuring more people. Medical sources reported they were able to reach the injured one hour after the attack as the helicopters fired at them each time they tried to approach them.
Shooting at rescue workers is pretty reprehensible no matter what.
And there we see the Palestinian propaganda at it's best, making you feel that you actually support the right people. Fuck you, use your fucking brain for a second.
Do you realize what site have you linked me to? Electronicintifada. Electronic intifada (AKA PALESTINIAN PROPAGANDA . COM
It just makes me desperate that i got no chance against these evil scum propaganda machine.
If the police shoot at the robber and hostage without trying to not hit the hostage, then it is the police's fault. If the police take action to not hit the hostage, but hit him or her anyways then it isn't the police's fault. But you don't fire a missile into a hostage situation. You don't shoot tank rounds at a hostage situation. You use strategic fire (sniper fire). You follow them until you do have a clear shot. Civilians are going to be killed no matter what in a war, this is something that is totally unavoidable. But in the Israel/Palestinian war neither side generally seems to try to avoid civilian casualties. I'm not defending Hamas's tactics, but I can't say that Israel's are that much better. With the use of DIME bombs I think it's a step in the right direction though at least.
No, you are looking at it wrong.
The robber is shooting the policemen and passer byes, while using hostage as a human shield. (If you want to be more precise about this conflict - Here the hostage is the robber's son and the son support's the robber actions against the policemen). The policeman shoots the robber killing the hostage and injuring the robber.
Not only that i'm telling you the robber would be accused of murder (Fact, it's a court law there were many cases like this in history). But that's the best and only option.
But in the Israel/Palestinian war neither side generally seems to try to avoid civilian casualtie
Bullshit. You seem to ignore that the Israeli intelligence knows where are most of the Hamas members in almost all time, and can kill every single one of the Hamas members in minutes, but doesn't because of the civilian casualties. Understand? That shows we do care about the civilians. They use their own fucking population as human shields while firing at us deliberately dangering them and trying to get them killed. Their own fucking population. CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?. And we RARELY response to that. When we do, these are the links.
They on the other hand, shoot as many rockets as possible to kill as our civilians. (AND THAT'S ONLY POSSIBLE WHEN THEY ARE USING THEIR POPULATION AS HUMAN SHIELDS). Are you fucking insane?
They try to defend yourself by firing rockets and fighting while using own population as human shields, and eventually getting fired back. Is your crime.You seem pretty dead set at not even wanting to look at it from their perspective. Just your own. As Yoda would say "the dark side clouds your judgment it does".
Hamas's crime, not Israel's. 100% Hamas.
So is the Hamas rockets launching into Israel.
Oh i'm looking at it from perspective, their perspective is propaganda and to try to make us look bad in the world as much as possible, they are trying to inflict as much damage as possible on both sides. They have no ethics and morals.
You are the one that just can't see the fundamental difference between the sides here.
Pure evil. FIGHTING FOR THEIR RIGHT TO EXIST? L-O-L.So tell me are all Palestinians pure evil?
No, all of the Hamas organization members and supporters are pure evil, unless they support them out of ignorance like you, not knowing what kind of evil group they are supporting. These people are just ignorant.
They are fighting for the destruction of Israel, not for their right to exist. That's their goal, that's what they claim their goal, that's their official goal and that's what they are doing pretty good by now with the weapon of propaganda.Because some of them believe that the only that they will be able to survive is by eradicating Israel.
No they don't, honestly you are pathetic. Ridiculous baseless arguments trying to find light in a dark black room. They want to destroy Israel because they believe Allah commanded them to fight the Jews until death, and out of deep hate they were brainwashed into. They know that where they don't terror they don't die. We ask them for one little thing, removing that WANTING TO DESTROY US PHILOSOPHY and stopping terrorism. That's all they need to do to get peace and a country, and trust me they know it very well. But that denies the words of Allah. (I'm not generalizing and i'm sure that many Muslim- well not many, but some Muslims don't agree with them)
Why would they? They are backed by the Arabs, and by you (double millions of people like you), Even that their acts are pure evil. They are true propaganda masters.
Have I once said that I agree with their philosophy or that they are in the right for wanting to get rid of Israel? No. But to call them pure evil just doesn't do it. They are fighting for what they believe is right just like Israel is doing. But it doesn't make either side good of evil, and it doesn't mean that both sides aren't wrong. Israel has taken steps to creating a Palestinian state, and many Israelis and Palestinian's support this movement. But you make it seem that none of them want this they just want Israel gone and that simply is not the case.
When you believe in a evil philosophy, you are evil. Period.
Hamas stands for the destruction of Israel, that's why the movement was created, and that's what they stand for. In the last elections they got 70% of the votes. Intercept it how you want.
Israel shows very limited restraint. And Israel knows there would be serious repercussions if they did do something that would, as you say kill every Hamas member in 5 minutes. Because if Israel did something like that then Israel would end up ceasing to exist.
Israel doesn't know it because of that, Israel doesn't do it because they don't want to murder tens of thousands of innocent people. We are moral people.
The fact that you think neither side cares about the civilians shows how well is the Arab propaganda doing. Fuck.How about showing me where Israel shows serious restraint and tries to avoid the civilian casualties. I wouldn't say their propaganda is working because I don't support either side in this war.
Well, let's see.
We disengaged from Gaza in 2005 giving them peace on a silver plate. Obviously, like we predicted but didn't want to believe - Hamas took over Gaza. Since then, 3500 rockets were fired at our cities. With no serious Israeli response.
3 years, if that's not restraint, what is?
It's just simple, it took 15 years, but we realize that restraint doesn't work. They see restrain as weakness, they are lead by philosophy, which means restrain wont help. Restrain means sacrificing our civilians, like we did for years. No more Mr.Naive. Operation Defensive-shield showed us they understand force very well.
But well, what can i say? Enjoy sympathizing with evilness.
At 2/19/09 03:44 PM, JoS wrote:
The media is the new weapon in warfare.
The media's been a weapon since United States v. The Progressive
At 2/19/09 05:24 PM, EKublai wrote:At 2/19/09 03:44 PM, JoS wrote:The media is the new weapon in warfare.The media's been a weapon since United States v. The Progressive
But a tool in warfare? The Vietcong benefited from the media coverage, but Hamas, Hizbollah and a few other organizations have effectively harnessed the media as a weapon to do harm to their enemies.
Bellum omnium contra omnes
At 2/19/09 09:36 AM, Doonie wrote:
I don't feel like continuing a general argument over who is right and who is wrong with you, it's obvious that you don't think Isrrael can do any wrong. But I would like to pick up on a few points you made.
Are you denying the fact that they do warcrimes?
No, in fact I have stated that they use terror tactics, maybe you missed reading it....
They got top-technology weapons from Russia
Top-technology from Russia? Then why do they still build rockets in their basement/backyard that has no guidance system? A top-technology rocket at least has a guidance systems.
Let's make it clear, even the most simple thing - their only way of fighting is in civilian homes.
They are not being charged because there's no one to charge, when they want they are the
It has nothing to do with questioning Israel, i'm happy when people question Israel, but most of them after a while understand.
Ahh so what you're saying is, anyone who questions Israel doesn't understand? lmao
That and you have not made one single post that portrayed "happy" when chatting to another that questions Israel.
You constantly ignore every argument and every thing said to you, and blindly support a fanatic terror organization
I don't ignore your posts, or posts directed at me. I try to answer most if not all rebuttals.
I blindly support Hamas? And you say I don't understand.....You suffer from the Bushology that 'if you're not with us, you're with the terrorists'. Pretty sad, what's also sad is that you can barely make a full post without insults to those that disagree with you.
The real person eventually comes out...
You are obviously a fanatic zionist, you have 0 tolerance for anyone who questions israel. Anyone questioning Israel is either a terrorist supporter in your eyes. I believe you are a brutally racist person who can't stand anything or anybody that may oppose Israel.
Injured Workers rights were taken away in the 1920's by an insurance company (WCB), it's high time we got them back.
At 2/20/09 09:38 AM, bcdemon wrote: I don't feel like continuing a general argument over who is right and who is wrong with you, it's obvious that you don't think Isrrael can do any wrong. But I would like to pick up on a few points you
I actually think you don't feel like continuing because it prevents you from 100% supporting the people you like to support so much.
I don't think that Israel could do any wrong, i know Israel could not do any wrong. I already said that it's true some particular soldiers did crimes by themselves, and there have been few stories, but that happens everywhere in war. But i stand for and i'm 100% sure that we have never as a policy killed innocents, we never as a policy used tactics to terror population. I'm 100% sure we never used violence for the sake of violence or war for the sake of war, or hurt people for the sake of hurting them. And that we always did and always will operate for peace, and that all of our acts were perfectly justified.
Are you denying the fact that they do warcrimes?No, in fact I have stated that they use terror tactics, maybe you missed reading it....
Well i probably did, i'm glad you at least realize that.
They got top-technology weapons from RussiaTop-technology from Russia? Then why do they still build rockets in their basement/backyard that has no guidance system? A top-technology rocket at least has a guidance systems.
Why? Because of the total blockade we imposed on Gaza, and because Egypt, the other country that has border in Gaza pretty much cooperates with us. I explained it to you many many times, and every time you totally ignored that it was the main reasons we blockaded.
And your statement is wrong, the normal 5-10 km rockets are homemade, but the rockets that reach Ashkelon, Beer Sheva and Ashdod are sophisticated rockets some made by Iran some by Russia and some of them are even Chinese rockets.
Ahh so what you're saying is, anyone who questions Israel doesn't understand? lmao
That and you have not made one single post that portrayed "happy" when chatting to another that questions Israel.
Yes, definitely.
When people come in facebook for example and ask me questions on the the conflict, like why are you bombing and why did you invade Gaza, i'm happy and i gladly explain our side. Most of them understand.
And some people like you accuse us of things we have never done, and believe in twisted catching of history. That is result of massive propaganda.
But both cases come out of ignorance.
You constantly ignore every argument and every thing said to you, and blindly support a fanatic terror organization
I don't ignore your posts, or posts directed at me. I try to answer most if not all rebuttals.
I blindly support Hamas? And you say I don't understand.....You suffer from the Bushology that 'if you're not with us, you're with the terrorists'. Pretty sad, what's also sad is that you can barely make a full post without insults to those that disagree with you.
That's the problem, you try to answer all of the rebuttals. I, Always when people criticize me or Israel, i try to understand where it comes from, i don't automatically find rebuttals. Usually i find that the answer is simple - lack of any proportions, and the same old ignorance out of propaganda. You, like you stated above, only try to answer me, because you already chose your side.
The only argument i've ever seen that makes sense is that the Palestinians are poor and brainwashed and that's why they act like this. And i agree with that. However, i only see it as another reason the support Israel, because they only bring worse troubles on themselves - Example Hamas, after we gave them peace on a silver plate. We come out of goal to peace, they come out of religious hatred, brainwash and goal of DESTROYING US.
I never use insults, insults are trying to insult someone. I just say what i think.
The real person eventually comes out...You are obviously a fanatic zionist, you have 0 tolerance for anyone who questions israel. Anyone questioning Israel is either a terrorist supporter in your eyes. I believe you are a brutally racist person who can't stand anything or anybody that may oppose Israel.
Like i said before, your real person eventually comes out. Proving you were brainwashed since age 0 against Israel, against with that "FANATIC ZIONIST", after they made sure the word was twisted in your head until it's an insult, until you failed to realize that there's actually no such a thing except few religious nutcases.
1. Question Israel freely, don't blindly ignore everything said to your that supports Israel.
2. I have few Israeli-Palestinians friends i work with, and i believe all of are equal.
2. That's true, i can't stand people who oppose to Israel, i think i already cleared out why.
There will never be peace as long as the western world continues to see the situation in Palestine as a war on terror. In reality, Israel is the continuation of western colonialism and oppression, based on zionism where the rights of the indigenous people don't matter. The Palestinians are thus fighting a legitimate struggle for their homes and independence.
Throughout history, the aggressor/oppressor have always been the more effective side in killing civilians/destroying infrastructures. And Israel's success is not only due to their military might (US' blind support of Israel has caused the non western world to view the US as Israel's bitch). As Aeschylus have eloquently put it: "In war, truth is the first casualty." Propaganda is the name of the game.
A huge effort and very considerable resources are devoted to putting Israel's case to the world. Israel has managed to brain-wash a large part of the western world into believing that it is a victim of Palestinian terrorism, whereas the truth is that Israel's own state terrorism -- its targeted assassinations, armed incursions, land theft, massacres and cruel siege of the Palestinians -- has been far more lethal than anything the Palestinians have ever managed to do themselves.
The record of the last eight years shows that between 200 and 300 Palestinians have been killed by Israel for every Israeli victim of Palestinian violence. Thank God the rest of the world know better than to fall prey to Israeli brainwashing machine (lot of mileage on that machine btw, but it still runs like new).
For the non-brainwashed people of the world, Israel's cruel assault on the helpless population of Gaza means that the Jewish state has lost its honor, its 'good name' (or what small part of it is still intact), its threadbare claim to live by 'civilized Western values.' To all appearances, Israel is a terrorist, apartheid state devoid of any semblance of humanity and compassion.
At 2/20/09 11:36 PM, Revalga wrote: unbackedup, biased, brainwashed, facts less - OPINION.
Seriously, what a ridiculous typical message. LOL THEY BRAINWASHED THE WESTERN WORLD AND EVIL FORCES ARGHG OPRESSSORRR
If you only knew that Israel supports the creation of a Palestinian state. (They don't teach that in the Islamic Jihad school do they?)
But well.. Indonesia. Thanks for reminding me how important it is to support Israel.
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