The hardest part of playing punk...

[FUNKbrs]

...is respecting yourself afterwards.

(guoted from my new vocalist Ted)

Seriously guys, punk sucks. All good punk sounds like metal. Like the Misfits. I mean, look at Greenday. Sure, they started out kind of pop-punk (borderline faggoty from the jump IMO) but their new shit is EMO as fuck all.

Punk is to EMO what Blues is to Rock. Which is funny, because Rock is to Punk what Blues is to Rock. If you start out punk, if you're lucky, you end up metal, and if you're secretly queer and don't tell anyone, you end up EMO.

I have NEVER seen an EMO band that didn't claim to be "Hardcore Punk." THERE"S NOTHING HARDCORE ABOUT YOUR WHINY LYRICS, I DON'T CARE HOW MUCH YOU SCREAM DURING THE CHORUS.

And why aren't more people inspired by Zydeco and Calypso music? All the good Ska from the 90's was calypso and zydeco inspired. I mean, look at The Clash. Sure, they STARTED OUT punk, but they got that Reggae/Calypso bug, and went ska, and that music was pretty good.

If you want to learn a simple, barebones style for beginners, learn blues. Seriously. Even uneducated sharecroppers from the Jim Crow era south new MORE about chord theory than modern punk. Changing your effects does NOT count as changing riffs! Stop thinking you can click a foot pedal and play in double time and become hardcore!

I know real hardcore punks. They don't normally claim ANY musical heritage. They're too busy getting drunk and playing shows. If they were less drunk,, they'd probably play better music.

Remember kids, the term punk was first used to describe pretty boys who get raped in prison. As in the phrase "punked out" where a guy threatens you like you're some kind of punk, and you just back down BECAUSE PUNKS ARE LITTLE WUSSES WHO TAKE IT IN THE ASS INVOLUNTARILY.

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[Lost-Chances]

At 2/12/09 10:51 AM, FUNKbrs wrote: All the good Ska

What the fuck?

[PinballWizard976]

Hell yeah new punk sucks. But what about old punk? Stuff that's legitimately "hardcore" punk, like Dead Kennedys and stuff. Seriously, the old stuff like The Clash, Ramones, and Iggy Pop. That stuff is actually good. Besides, if you look at actual punk bands, they're not emo at all. Mostly because they don't stand up on stage and whine and cry.

[Lost-Chances]

At 2/12/09 10:56 AM, PinballWizard976 wrote: Besides, if you look at actual punk bands, they're not emo at all. Mostly because they don't stand up on stage and whine and cry.

They just sell out instead while screaming anti-government and anti-corporate stuff.

[FUNKbrs]

At 2/12/09 11:00 AM, Victory wrote: But the point of punk was to move away from the musical elitism and complexity of Prog Rock that dominated the music scene in the seventies.

That's like starting a genre of porn trying to get away from really hot chicks who do bedroom gymnastics towards fat skanked out whores who just lay there.

It isn't SUPPOSED to be complex music.

Good music is complex. Are you saying it's not SUPPOSED to be good? Because that's pretty easy to agree with. At very best, punk music condescends to it's audience by saying they're not smart enough to deserve anything better.

[Funny-Man]

I hate the "punk vocals" usually sounding like a pubeacant boy cracking with a high voice into the mic.

[PinballWizard976]

At 2/12/09 11:15 AM, Funny-Man wrote: I hate the "punk vocals" usually sounding like a pubeacant boy cracking with a high voice into the mic.

What are you talking about?

Sure most of the shit in this video is, for lack of a better term, stupid. But at least there's some talent, and it was a way to be different. Hell, look how stupid people looked in metal bands in the 80's. Dead Kennedys were getting kinda carried away, but there is some talent beneath the silliness of it, and at least they're actually writing songs, instead of hitting their guitars and expecting to be looked upon like they're "hardcore" like how these so-called "punk" bands do it today.

So, yeah...

[Chumbawamba]

At 2/12/09 11:08 AM, FUNKbrs wrote: Good music is complex. Are you saying it's not SUPPOSED to be good? Because that's pretty easy to agree with. At very best, punk music condescends to it's audience by saying they're not smart enough to deserve anything better.

Yeah, punk is meant to be shitty. That's the reason behind its creation: sound god awful and piss people off.

[Funny-Man]

At 2/12/09 11:20 AM, PinballWizard976 wrote:

At 2/12/09 11:15 AM, Funny-Man wrote: I hate the "punk vocals" usually sounding like a pubeacant boy cracking with a high voice into the mic.

What are you talking about?

So, yeah...

I said they usually, yeah they're are some exceptions in few, very few cases, and showing me one, or many bands isn't going to change my views.

[Dean]

The good punk bands were from the UK. Bands like The Sex Pistols, Macc Lads, Anti-Pasti, The Exploited, Stiff Little Fingers, The Cockney Rejects, Angelic Upstarts, One Way System.

Punk does not suck. You just have to listen to the right bands. Not all the crap you hear today claiming to be punk.

[mythicaljake]

It depends when you look at punk, look at any modern punk band now and they're all sellouts and sound shit and pop-ish - ie, Green Day. The kind of punk I like is the stuff I actually thought sounded good, like the Ramones or Iggy Pop or a bit of Crass, although i like the latter more because they were the only punk band with genuine morales and never sold out.

Although, I don't like how people go on about the Sex Pistols as if they were anarchist revolutionaries - they weren't. From the beginning they were just a part of a manufactured rebellion and Malcolm McClaren trying to make money out of this new hip fashion trend that was punk. This is especially true when you consider that after Johnny Rotten stopped playing in bands he started whoring out the tabloid press, re-recorded a couple of songs to appear in Guitar Hero, appeared in I'm A Celebrity Get Me Out of Here and did a Butter Advert. Punk is dead.... Has been for a while.

[Casualty]

You are right. First I listened to punk, and now I listen to metal. What now?

[TheLameSauce]

hot water music?

[FUNKbrs]

At 2/12/09 11:42 AM, Victory wrote:

"It's not the speed of the guitarists' fingers that count, but what is on his soul and in his heart."

Wow, that's a really gay quote.

Like, seriously gay. Like, Elton John would call that guy a queer.

What next? Are you going to quote some shitty Folk guy who says "All you need are three chords and the truth" or quote a calssic rock guy with "Good enough for Rock and Roll"?

These are the mantras of FAILURES, of people who make MEDIOCRE SHITTY MUSIC. Unless you want to listen to "This land is our land" a thousand times and "Kumbaya my lord" around the camp fire, that's philosophy is just a pile of crap.

Music is a competition. Play hard or GO HOME. Only talented people deserve recognition.

And for the record, the Ramones FUCKING SUCK.

[TheLameSauce]

At 2/12/09 12:04 PM, TheLameSauce wrote: hot water music?

sorry, i seem to be proving your point. i was trying to name bands that fit your criteria that don't suck. such as braid.

[slackerzac]

At 2/12/09 11:15 AM, Funny-Man wrote: I hate the "punk vocals" usually sounding like a pubeacant boy cracking with a high voice into the mic.

Or when a chick is a the lead singer it sounds like a screaming banshee. Case in point Paramore

[WhiteAfrican]

At 2/12/09 12:27 PM, FUNKbrs wrote:

At 2/12/09 11:42 AM, Victory wrote:

"It's not the speed of the guitarists' fingers that count, but what is on his soul and in his heart."

Wow, that's a really gay quote.

Like, seriously gay. Like, Elton John would call that guy a queer.

Lmfao.

Everything else > Punk

[Ogirra]

At 2/12/09 11:42 AM, Victory wrote:

Music is a competition. Play hard or GO HOME. Only talented people deserve recognition.

And for the record, the Ramones FUCKING SUCK.

The most idiotic view on music I've ever heard.

Gtfo.

[andhination]

At 2/12/09 12:27 PM, FUNKbrs wrote:
Music is a competition.

No, music is music. If you don't play for the music, you're not worth your salt.

[JohnnyWang]

At 2/12/09 10:51 AM, FUNKbrs wrote: Remember kids, the term punk was first used to describe pretty boys who get raped in prison. As in the phrase "punked out" where a guy threatens you like you're some kind of punk, and you just back down BECAUSE PUNKS ARE LITTLE WUSSES WHO TAKE IT IN THE ASS INVOLUNTARILY.

Slang terms have many entymologies, punk also meant a gutsy street criminal.

BEsides, what's wrong with butt sex, fucker?

But I agree, most modern punk sucks, especially the ones that pretend that they can still get away with the same stuff you did with 30 years ago. Some of the older stuff is protected by being, well, old. Stiff Little Finger may sound like Green Day, but it's actually that Green Day sounds like Stiff Little Fingers, and at the time, punk wasn't a diluted fad.

Also, metal sucks. It's an adolecent power fantasy, and everyone over 25 who wears band shirts is a manchild.

[JohnnyWang]

At 2/12/09 12:27 PM, FUNKbrs wrote: These are the mantras of FAILURES, of people who make MEDIOCRE SHITTY MUSIC.

I like my songs 3 minutes long, and preferably so that you can dance or at least bob your head to it.

If I want complex, I go jack off to Yes albums. If I want to listen to music I listen to something that has a melody.

Unless you want to listen to "This land is our land" a thousand times

I like Woody Gunthrie, you dick.

And music is not a competition of complexity, the same way literature isn't a competition of length and vocabulary.

[mythicaljake]

Upon further reading of this topic, it is apparent that the OP is just another opinionated musictart.

If you like complicated music, then go enjoy your complicated music. Don't fucking bother other people who disagree with you, and tell them your taste in music is the genuine way music should be.

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[LobsterJohnson]

At 2/12/09 10:51 AM, FUNKbrs wrote: Seriously guys, punk sucks. All good punk sounds like metal. Like the Misfits.

I really dont think the misfits sound like metal.

Example

[AngryBanana]

I listen to music without caring about genres.

But that's just me.

[mythicaljake]

Here's an amusing Green-Day related fact. Did you know that they've never performed American Idiot in America? pussies....

[Me-Patch]

Punk is a way for a bunch of kids to get togethor and have a sick fucking party concert in someones backyard or basement without anyone good at their instrument even showing up.