Expert Programmers/Artis ts for $$$

[arunforce]

We are constructing some small web based games, and need professional grade (Photoshop/GIMP) content to match, it will be posted on our website for people to play for free.

Programmers and Artists are paid on a variable basis, depending on the quality and quantity of work. Requests are to be completed in a timely fashion.

Programmers are required to use AS2/AS3 only. These games can NOT be hard coded, and good use of programming skills must be present in the code (such as commenting, OOP Programming, and such)

Depending on the project, Artists are required to make Flash/Photoshop Art to meet the style/scheme and layout of the game.

Payment for work will be done through paypal. We will not pay up front, but pay upon milestones. We require full creative control over the programming / art upon deliverance, so do not plan on using your art/code for any other purpose, and once you write any code or art it belongs to us (the site).

All inquiries should be sent to [myusername]@gmail.com.

[IcePyro]

what's the cash range we're talking?

[dalviel]

What'll be the theme of the games? I may be able to do artwork, but not programming =]

Also, how much time will we have?

[andy70707]

I may be able to do some AS2 programming, how much money is being offered, and what would we be required to do?

[arunforce]

The price range is hard to explain.

It's all about how much work is done and quality. $50 for the graphics of a game that not much work. Remember, these are simple games, there isn't much change, and graphics are repetitive, most of the time will be spent making the menu and stuff. Each game requires different amount of work, for example, a Tetris clone as the main GFX, basically the only game play pieces are those bricks, and the interface. That's about $50, but for say 50 different game play items, and the complexity can be anything from a man driving a scooter to a brick wall.

Programming an entire game up to our standards will make you at least $100 (which OOP is a requirement), but the complexity varies too, just like the art.

Email me if interested.

[LostVoices]

oh no you didn't $100 for an entire game, good luck

[Deathcon7]

At 2/10/09 04:04 AM, arunforce wrote: Programming an entire game up to our standards will make you at least $100 (which OOP is a requirement), but the complexity varies too, just like the art.

Email me if interested.

If you're going to pay for a service at least understand the service you're requesting. If you're charing $100 minimum for a game, I'm assuming the game is basically a point and click game. This wouldn't really require the use of OOP as the amount required for programming is so minimal it'll be a waste of .as files. Everything could be done in the document class.

As a whole you don't really seem to know what you're talking about. Keep in mind that sponsors are paying quite a bit more than that just to sponsor a game, and here you're asking to have a game made for you. Reconsider your position.

[Jimp]

Ill easily draw you some tetris blocks for $50 ;D

Also, why the fuck are you spending the majority of the time on the menus? Sure theyre important, but when the actual games look like crap people are just gonna close it.

[LeechmasterB]

25 - 50$ is what you should pay per hour. So anything that takes more then an hour to make will cost more. Basically you are asking for the stars in exchange for a breadcrum.

good luck

[arunforce]

I'm not charging anything, I'm the one PAYING, and you shouldn't assume anything. I'm perfectly capable of programming these game myself, so why would I pay someone to write a point and click game, which has as little programming as gotoAndStop(num)? That's a bit contradictory, seems like you don't know what you are talking about.

At 2/10/09 08:25 AM, LeechmasterB wrote: 25 - 50$ is what you should pay per hour. So anything that takes more then an hour to make will cost more. Basically you are asking for the stars in exchange for a breadcrum.

good luck

I put "expert" in the title but I didn't mean it as an actual expert, when I was typing this up I was just referring to OOP such as classes and objects, and stuff like that, which isn't exactly expert, but it isn't either basic, a bit advanced. I hate hard code, takes too long to make changes.

And like I mentioned, it's varying, for $100, I'd probably expect those cannon games where the observer bounces as moving right, not that much programming from the observer aspect. And no graphics are required except for the placeholder, so for example the entire game could be blocks, and I could care less. money isn't of the issue, I have no problem paying $1000 dollars if the work is equivalent to it.

Anyways, I prefer students to professionals, because things come out better because they put forth effort not just for money.

[TutorialPoo]

At 2/10/09 08:50 AM, arunforce wrote: I'm perfectly capable of programming these g.ame myself.

Get off your lazy ass and do it yourself then

[Johnny]

I'm just finishing up my BA in Game Software Development, and payed $80,000.00 for my education. I wouldn't think of talking to someone unless they were willing to dish out a minimum of $50.00 an hour for contracted work.

And I can't see any game taking less than 40 hours to create, unless it horribly basic... which you say you can do yourself, so minimum... if you'd like me to program something for you in AS3.0, the minimum on the table needs to be $2000.00, and the price will go UP from there.

I'm capable of doing the art AND programming, though if I'm doing both, you better tack on another 40 hours at the same rate.

If I'm doing something for myself, and want to grab some sponsorship... different story. I do those for fun, with money being a nice incentive.

Straight employment on a freelance job though, and I get a bit pickier.

That's coming from a student/professional.

I think you need to aim lower, like hobbiests or people still living at home.

[Deathcon7]

At 2/10/09 08:50 AM, arunforce wrote: I'm not charging anything, I'm the one PAYING, and you shouldn't assume anything. I'm perfectly capable of programming these game myself, so why would I pay someone to write a point and click game, which has as little programming as gotoAndStop(num)? That's a bit contradictory, seems like you don't know what you are talking about.

Insulting me isn't really adding anything to your argument. Bottom line is, no, you do not know what you're talking about if you want to charge anyone such little incentive to program for you and/or create artwork. And if you're capable of doing it yourself, why not do it yourself? To be honest, you sound like a kid who doesn't know what he's talking about and is trying to supplement that fact by lying. You should work on building your credentials as opposed to insulting people who actually do know what they're talking about.

[EvanHayes]

most people get games sponsored for 3000+ if its good, in my current game i have 2 artist. 1 bg artist whos being paid 200 flat the charachter artist is getting 30%(around $1500 usd) and an audio composer whos getting around 50-100 dollars a song. now $50 for a programmer? if its like a point and shoot game ill do it for 100,no matter how small :D

[The-titan]

take it easy people... i do kind of agree that $100-200 is low for a game these days, but hey we don't even see the game hes paying for, It could be something small and fun worth of $100, then again if its that fun big sponsors may want it which gives you more moneys.
Small business game sponsorships are hard these days, so its either you get the little crappy games which no other sponsor want... or you pay $$$,

but if you really want something done right... Do it your self c;
good luck with this anyway.

[EvanHayes]

i read that and realized its worded wrong, but to sum it up,you'll need to be dishing out at least 2 grand. my CHARACTER artist is getting 1500. not even a full artist and i meant 1000 not 100. scripting takes time and if its something your making for somebody else its hard to develop a passion for it, so it IS work even if you love flash. i recommend a larger budget,by around 1000%

[zuperxtreme]

I'm in need of some money. I could do it.

How are you paying? Pay pal? 50-50(start-end)?

[zuperxtreme]

Wait, 50 US dollars?

Uh. Nevermind.

:Note to self: Read threads before replying...

[Joelasticot]

At 2/10/09 04:08 PM, zuperxtreme wrote:

Note to self: Read threads before replying...

Congratulations, you just understood the fundamentals of internet forums

[ActionSick]

this thread r fail

[TheSongSalad]

well if you're willing to pay money for a game to be made for you, and you're looking for "expert", you may need a little more than what you seem to want to pay. on the other hand, if you're looking for more of a hobbiest than you're in the right price range. your wording seems to be pissing people off. good luck anyway.

[Denvish]

At 2/10/09 06:34 PM, Joelasticot wrote:

At 2/10/09 04:08 PM, zuperxtreme wrote:

Note to self: Read threads before replying...

Congratulations, you just understood the fundamentals of internet forums

Wait, what, you're supposed to READ them? Damn, I was wondering what I was doing wrong.

[JordanD]

At 2/10/09 04:08 PM, zuperxtreme wrote:

Note to self: Read threads before replying...

Whats a thread? O.o

[nonameowns]

My charge:
a dollar per pixel

cheap

[Glaiel-Gamer]

I'd gladly program for $100/hr

[arunforce]

At 2/10/09 09:01 AM, TutorialPoo wrote:

At 2/10/09 08:50 AM, arunforce wrote: I'm perfectly capable of programming these g.ame myself.

Get off your lazy ass and do it yourself then

My "lazy ass" is already doing more shit than you could even comprehend, hence why I am looking for someone?

At 2/10/09 12:01 PM, Johnny wrote: I'm just finishing up my BA in Game Software Development, and payed $80,000.00 for my education. I wouldn't think of talking to someone unless they were willing to dish out a minimum of $50.00 an hour for contracted work.

And I can't see any game taking less than 40 hours to create, unless it horribly basic... which you say you can do yourself, so minimum... if you'd like me to program something for you in AS3.0, the minimum on the table needs to be $2000.00, and the price will go UP from there.

I'm capable of doing the art AND programming, though if I'm doing both, you better tack on another 40 hours at the same rate.

If I'm doing something for myself, and want to grab some sponsorship... different story. I do those for fun, with money being a nice incentive.

Straight employment on a freelance job though, and I get a bit pickier.

That's coming from a student/professional.

I think you need to aim lower, like hobbiests or people still living at home.

That's what I meant, I'm not looking for professionals like that, like I mentioned in my previous post, I'm well aware that people who do this have to make a living too.

At 2/10/09 03:22 PM, Deathcon7 wrote:

At 2/10/09 08:50 AM, arunforce wrote: I'm not charging anything, I'm the one PAYING, and you shouldn't assume anything. I'm perfectly capable of programming these game myself, so why would I pay someone to write a point and click game, which has as little programming as gotoAndStop(num)? That's a bit contradictory, seems like you don't know what you are talking about.

Insulting me isn't really adding anything to your argument. Bottom line is, no, you do not know what you're talking about if you want to charge anyone such little incentive to program for you and/or create artwork. And if you're capable of doing it yourself, why not do it yourself? To be honest, you sound like a kid who doesn't know what he's talking about and is trying to supplement that fact by lying. You should work on building your credentials as opposed to insulting people who actually do know what they're talking about.

However it seems insulting me to start this little "flame war" seemed to add a lot more to your argument, what a hypocrite. I never charged anyone anything, they are charging me, comprehend English for the SECOND time? And that is a MINIMUM payout, which is in no way what someone would be paid. I have done A LOT more than you have, so don't talk down to me. You're the one who seems to think when I mention OOP that I would be talking about a point and click game. Get your head fixed. My "credentials" put me in the position to hire people rather than get hired.

I think almost everyone here has failed to read this thread. I corrected myself in my second post that I am not looking for a "professional programmer or artist", but I'm not looking for joe 3 months into programming/art.

[Deathcon7]

At 2/11/09 02:18 AM, arunforce wrote:

NGs is not for the weak. If you think my honesty is insulting then you need to grow some thicker skin. And picking on my grammatical mistakes is still not going to get you anywhere. If you really were a professional you would know how to take criticism and be the bigger person. If you honestly do think I'm such an idiot why is that so difficult for you?

And believe it or not, I think I have a better understanding of what Object Oriented programming is than you do. So get your act together and try to organize yourself. You've provide no details and have accomplished nothing more than stirring up the flash forum. Why don't you provide more comprehensive details regarding your intentions, or at least some justification to what you plan on paying out.

To be honest I really don't think you know what you're talking about so imagine what everyone else is thinking. I'm not trying to be an asshole I'm just trying to point out to you my opinion in the hopes that you'll get the picture and get yourself together.

[arunforce]

At 2/11/09 02:45 AM, Deathcon7 wrote:

At 2/11/09 02:18 AM, arunforce wrote:

NGs is not for the weak. If you think my honesty is insulting then you need to grow some thicker skin. And picking on my grammatical mistakes is still not going to get you anywhere. If you really were a professional you would know how to take criticism and be the bigger person. If you honestly do think I'm such an idiot why is that so difficult for you?

And believe it or not, I think I have a better understanding of what Object Oriented programming is than you do. So get your act together and try to organize yourself. You've provide no details and have accomplished nothing more than stirring up the flash forum. Why don't you provide more comprehensive details regarding your intentions, or at least some justification to what you plan on paying out.

To be honest I really don't think you know what you're talking about so imagine what everyone else is thinking. I'm not trying to be an asshole I'm just trying to point out to you my opinion in the hopes that you'll get the picture and get yourself together.

NG isn't for the weak? Almost every flash animator/programmer starts from here. Your honesty is pure idiocy like I already proved. And it's not grammar, it's incorrect using of words. It shows that you want to correct me on programming, at least speak proper English. So all professionals take criticism the same? Who said I was a professional?

And what do you base this understanding of OOP better than me on? Your own conclusions. Yeah, that tells me a lot about you. I have nothing to prove to anyone, I'm looking for people, and am paying money, simple as that. It's not based on whether my game succeeds or not, so it is irrelevant.

Like I already proved, my position puts ME in the position, not you. I've hired people multiple times before, so I think it would be your best bet to shut up.

At 2/11/09 02:53 AM, AdairTishler wrote: meh I'm interested, send me a PM with details

I already posted the details, write me an email. I have no idea what kind of job you are doing.

[svsaproductions]

Dude, common, degrading people to hire them? Stupid.

-SVSA

[Da-Reservoir-Dogg]

That's awful dude, its people like you that fuck up the industry. I get paid $250 for a company logo that takes me about 5 hours to do it, show it to the client, make modifications for the client etc..

That's $50/hour but that's professional work.

If I was you I would poset differently.

"Looking for up and starting artists/programmers for different projects.

Make $50 - $100 per game(nothing too complicated)

You can use this in your C.V under "projects" or in your portfolio

Skills Required:

Prgrammers: AS2/AS3 programming
Artists: Photoshop/IMPE

Thank You Email for more details."

Is that so hard to do, at least make a logical post.