Suspened for disrespect towars obam

[thegamer12346]

My friend got suspended for putting his head down during the innaguration of obama,
his very open obama supporter teacher said that it was disrespectful. WOW if he put his head down during bushs innaguration (which we didnt whatch at school) it would have been fine. WHO CARES IF HES HISTORIC TREAT HIM LIKE THE OTHERS BEFORE HIM!

[LordJaric]

I see a court case coming.

[066pop]

I think suspending someone is just going a bit too far. It was their choice to do that. Just a stupid question, I understand its rude but how is that disrespectful?

[AntiangelicAngel]

I'm going to be a teacher soon. Though suspension may be excessive, if a student put their head down on the desk, I'd give them detention, nomatter the circumstance. Obama has little to do with it, putting one's head down in class is generally disrespectful.

[Elfer]

At 1/26/09 02:18 PM, AntiangelicAngel wrote: I'm going to be a teacher soon. Though suspension may be excessive, if a student put their head down on the desk, I'd give them detention, nomatter the circumstance. Obama has little to do with it, putting one's head down in class is generally disrespectful.

Prepare to become known as the hardass that nobody likes.

[AntiangelicAngel]

At 1/26/09 02:22 PM, Elfer wrote:

Prepare to become known as the hardass that nobody likes.

My history teacher made you stand in the front of the classroom if you put your head down.
But yeah, I'd gague it on how frequently it happened, and if they were sleeping or not, if they were paying attention, etc.
But typically, in my schooling, head down equaled detention. That wasn't uncommon.
I don't think this head down thing would be protected like not standing for the constitution. It's not expression, it's laziness.

[Elfer]

At 1/26/09 02:25 PM, AntiangelicAngel wrote:

At 1/26/09 02:22 PM, Elfer wrote:

Prepare to become known as the hardass that nobody likes.

My history teacher made you stand in the front of the classroom if you put your head down.

And what did people think of him? My guess: "He's a dick"

But yeah, I'd gague it on how frequently it happened, and if they were sleeping or not, if they were paying attention, etc.
But typically, in my schooling, head down equaled detention. That wasn't uncommon.
I don't think this head down thing would be protected like not standing for the constitution. It's not expression, it's laziness.

There's any number of reasons a person could be tired in class, even consistently from one day to the next. If a person actually completely passes out in class, it's almost certainly not from laziness.

While you might consider it disrespectful, you have to appreciate the complexity of the school dynamic. Until you get to post-secondary education, you essentially have a social construct where people have been brought together for no common purpose. You can't demand 100% from everyone every day.

[AntiangelicAngel]

At 1/26/09 02:38 PM, Elfer wrote: There's any number of reasons a person could be tired in class, even consistently from one day to the next. If a person actually completely passes out in class, it's almost certainly not from laziness.

And suspending them, sending them home that day, seems appropriate, then.

You can't demand 100% from everyone every day.

In seat. Head up. Eyes open. Facing forward. That's like 7%, tops.

[Elfer]

At 1/26/09 02:54 PM, AntiangelicAngel wrote:

At 1/26/09 02:38 PM, Elfer wrote: There's any number of reasons a person could be tired in class, even consistently from one day to the next. If a person actually completely passes out in class, it's almost certainly not from laziness.

And suspending them, sending them home that day, seems appropriate, then.

You realize the difference between those two things, right?

You can't demand 100% from everyone every day.

In seat. Head up. Eyes open. Facing forward. That's like 7%, tops.

All I'm saying is, if you want respect, earn it from your students. Don't expect it by default.

[AntiangelicAngel]

At 1/26/09 03:05 PM, Elfer wrote: You realize the difference between those two things, right?

Some suspensions are just single day suspensions.

All I'm saying is, if you want respect, earn it from your students. Don't expect it by default.

And all I'm saying is that if there are rules related to respect, they should be enforced at the teacher's discression.

[Elfer]

At 1/26/09 03:13 PM, AntiangelicAngel wrote:

At 1/26/09 03:05 PM, Elfer wrote: You realize the difference between those two things, right?

Some suspensions are just single day suspensions.

No, I mean you realize the difference between simply sending someone home for the day and suspending them, right?

All I'm saying is, if you want respect, earn it from your students. Don't expect it by default.

And all I'm saying is that if there are rules related to respect, they should be enforced at the teacher's discression.

And I'm telling you that there's a big difference between enforcing rules and actually having people respect you. If you actually want respect from your students, you will have to earn it, not enforce it. I'm not saying that it's outside of your jurisdiction to punish people for petty reasons like that, I'm saying that people won't like you if you're a stickler about it.

[Elfer]

PS we should probably move this to PM :/

[fli]

I don't believe it.
I've heard crazy stuff like strip searches for Midol, but-- suspended for putting your head down?

Plus, people have a way to spin things like this.
I think a more likely situation: He was messing stuff. He was being obnoxious and rude, then he put his head down-- and the teacher probably asked him to step out.

More than likely, if he was suspended, he was showing disrespect to his classmates and teacher.

[VigilanteNighthawk]

At 1/26/09 12:04 PM, thegamer12346 wrote: My friend got suspended for putting his head down during the innaguration of obama,
his very open obama supporter teacher said that it was disrespectful. WOW if he put his head down during bushs innaguration (which we didnt whatch at school) it would have been fine. WHO CARES IF HES HISTORIC TREAT HIM LIKE THE OTHERS BEFORE HIM!

Alright, what is the full story here? Teachers do not have the authority to suspend students, period. You can cry teacher bias all you like, and there may even have been some, but the fact of the matter is that an administrator would have to have been the one to hand out the actual suspension. I suspect that your friend did more than merely put his head down. Also, unless the offense was extreme, disrespecting faculty usually doesn't result in suspension unless your friend is has a track record as a problem student. In short, I'm calling bullshit on this.

[RubberTrucky]

At 1/26/09 02:18 PM, AntiangelicAngel wrote: I'm going to be a teacher soon. Though suspension may be excessive, if a student put their head down on the desk, I'd give them detention, antimatter the circumstance.

And whoever shows the disrespect to take notes halfassedly, without perfect spelling, shall have his page ripped out and he can start anew until his spelling and handwriting are flawless.

[froggerfreak]

id get suspended for sleeping during class for anything

[Diin]

At 1/26/09 12:04 PM, thegamer12346 wrote: My friend got suspended for putting his head down during the innaguration of obama,
his very open obama supporter teacher said that it was disrespectful.

And all these Flashes on the site aren't disrespectful?

[MortifiedPenguins]

I would have been fucked, I spent most of higschool sleeping. Especially Senior year.

May explain why I'm at a state University.

[Armake21truth]

At 1/26/09 12:22 PM, LordJaric wrote: I see a court case coming.

Indeed, tell your friend to sue that bitch, that's political harassment.

[Shnam]

I put my head down in class frequently though I still pay attention. If somebody got detention for something like that then the teacher is just being a jackass.

[AntiangelicAngel]

At 1/27/09 02:06 PM, Armake21truth wrote:

At 1/26/09 12:22 PM, LordJaric wrote: I see a court case coming.

Indeed, tell your friend to sue that bitch, that's political harassment.

See, I don't think it constitutes political speech. If he had actively voiced an opinion, worn a mccain shirt, said the pledge of allegiance, criticized the poor performance of the oath of office, etc, that would have been free speech. This was not. I also think disrespect to the inaugural events isn't grounds for suspension, and the punishment is overly severe. But general classroom disrespect should be punished.

[FukYourMixDown]

I completely agree....he should be treated like all other President before him.
Right now hes nothing but a gold mine..I've seen all sorts of crap with his face on it (coins,shirts,comic books,toys,ect)...and as you said making it out to be more then they should be

also...what happend at bushes Inauguration was really really inmature....don't get me wrong..he wasn't that great of a president..but booing him was childish

[SomeCrappyUsername]

Why were you watching the inaugriation of obama in school in the first place, it is not really relevant unless it is some kind of political class.

[depardu42]

At 1/28/09 02:51 AM, SomeCrappyUsername wrote: Why were you watching the inaugriation of obama in school in the first place, it is not really relevant unless it is some kind of political class.

A lot of schools watched the inauguration this year.
My little brother's school(where I used to go), for example, gathered everyone in the auditorium to watch it.

[VigilanteNighthawk]

At 1/28/09 06:34 AM, wtflolnoob wrote:

At 1/26/09 12:22 PM, LordJaric wrote: I see a court case coming.

I see a HUGE one. 100k at least?

Assuming this story isn't completely made up. Read between the lines here. The OP is either completely making this up, or he is leaving out some crucial details.

[Achilles2]

At 1/26/09 12:04 PM, thegamer12346 wrote: his very open obama supporter teacher said that it was disrespectful.

Wouldn't the Principal or one of the Vice Principals have to suspend him? Teachers can't suspend you.

Either way, it's a violation of the 1st Amendment. It's not Obama supporter vs. non-supporter, it's right vs. opinion

[VigilanteNighthawk]

At 1/29/09 08:36 AM, Achilles2 wrote:

At 1/26/09 12:04 PM, thegamer12346 wrote: his very open obama supporter teacher said that it was disrespectful.

Wouldn't the Principal or one of the Vice Principals have to suspend him? Teachers can't suspend you.

Correct, and I also doubt that a student would have been suspended for that alone.

Either way, it's a violation of the 1st Amendment. It's not Obama supporter vs. non-supporter, it's right vs. opinion

The Supreme Court has ruled at least in one prior case that the First Amendment does not apply to students in public schools.

[thedo12]

At 1/26/09 02:18 PM, AntiangelicAngel wrote: I'm going to be a teacher soon. Though suspension may be excessive, if a student put their head down on the desk, I'd give them detention, nomatter the circumstance.

wow I feel sorry for your students already. you do realize that the majority of people at school do not want to be there right?

what grade you planning on teaching anyways?

[KingOfSnipers]

\: At 1/26/09 02:18 PM, AntiangelicAngel wrote:

I'm going to be a teacher soon. Though suspension may be excessive, if a student put their head down on the desk, I'd give them detention, nomatter the circumstance.

::::: And you need to remember what it was like for you to go through school at that age!

your friend put his head down while you were watching the tv then his suspension is probably from repetitive sleeping in class. how many times does your friend sleep in class?
You can say obama sucks and you won't get a suspension from it but if you cuss out obama in class then you might get a suspension for the language you used in school NOT for disrespecting obama

[Bmage2290]

It's a bit extreme, I mean.. suspending because a person simply might not care as much about another president being sworn into office. I sure don't, I don't care that he has colored skin (as so many people seem to focus on), just like I haven't really cared that everyone else was white... this is not what I base opinions on.

Also to the person saying they will soon be a teacher... be lenient towards your students, at least for the first few years. So the class may not display active/attentive listening... so what? If they can pass a class using a passive listening style.. let them.. however if they have their head down and are doing poorly (below a B- imo) then talk to them and try to get them to pay attention.

Lets be reasonable.. not everyone is going to share the same enthusiasm for every subject/topic required in the school ciriculum. I know I didn't, I could care less about history/art, really hated it.. however in science/math I found more enjoyable and easier to pay attention/stay active.

Everyone has their strengths and weaknesses... for some (like myself) class lectures are a waste of time... I understand much more from reading a book than someone talking or writing on a board (Most of the info, which they get from the book).