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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2011-07-25 10:20:31 Reply

At 7/25/11 10:10 AM, jarrydn wrote:
At 7/25/11 10:03 AM, Chronamut wrote: in addition - this is because the setup of the headphones while negating their own "head"presence" makes for the ideal setup to do binaural recordings - as binaural recording is usually done with mics set onto either side of a "dummy" head.

The more you know!
I'd be surprised if anyone here knew the nitty gritty of binaural headgear. Mostly because it's (I'm assuming) a fairly niche area of the audio world that isn't relevant to what the vast majority of NG producers are doing. Fuck if I know anything about binaural stuff. I can glean from the name that it has something to do with "two" and "ears"

basically how it works is your head can naturally gauge the distance of sounds - above, below you, behind you, in front of you - but regular stereo headphones destroys this perception - giving you a flat, produced sound thats meant to be more linear. Binaural restores the natural 3d surround your mind detects by subtracting your head from the equation and allowing your ears to detect distances lik they should.

Ironically as a result you need FAR less mixing because you aren't trying to cram a bunch of levels into a "tube" - which is what stereo mixing basically becomes - you can literally just place it exactly where it needs to be - in my paradise on E tribute I actually had 2 bell melodies rotating back and forth - one 180 degrees from left to front to right, and one 180 degrees from left to back to right - they never interfered, and I didn't have to mix them not to interfere.

It's such an underexplored area and it's sad because it has VAST potential for song progression.

Ironically it really shouldn't be nihce - it should be standard. Imagine hearing an orchestral submission in your mind as if you were actually sitting in the middle of the orchestra, as opposed to being in the audience listening to it.

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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2011-07-25 10:27:11 Reply

Now that its about volume and headphones, what do you guys thing about this:
http://audio.tutsplus.com/articles/gener al/are-the-volume-wars-killing-music-whi ch-side-are-you-on/

(dont just read the first paragraph :P )

I know its not 'news' or anything but id like to know some opinions on it.


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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2011-07-25 10:46:40 Reply

At 7/25/11 10:20 AM, Chronamut wrote: It's such an underexplored area and it's sad because it has VAST potential for song progression.

An interesting notion indeed. I bet the audiophile community is all over it!

I don't think I could really do much with it, I've never really been a music appreciator as such. However, if I ever need to have some wubs sneak up behind me, I know who's brains to pick.

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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2011-07-25 10:48:24 Reply

At 7/25/11 10:27 AM, Calamaistr wrote: Now that its about volume and headphones, what do you guys thing about this:
http://audio.tutsplus.com/articles/gener al/are-the-volume-wars-killing-music-whi ch-side-are-you-on/

(dont just read the first paragraph :P )

I know its not 'news' or anything but id like to know some opinions on it.

I never use compressors on my songs, only a little bit of EQ'ing now and then and some normalization. Compressing your songs just for an increase in volume is a shame, as it can damage the quality of the song itself.

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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2011-07-25 10:52:45 Reply

At 7/25/11 10:46 AM, jarrydn wrote:
At 7/25/11 10:20 AM, Chronamut wrote: It's such an underexplored area and it's sad because it has VAST potential for song progression.
An interesting notion indeed. I bet the audiophile community is all over it!

I don't think I could really do much with it, I've never really been a music appreciator as such. However, if I ever need to have some wubs sneak up behind me, I know who's brains to pick.

Hehe sounds good man - I've taken it upon myself to constantly improve myself in the production field on this site, as I enjoy the production of a song more than making the actual melodies it seems - have actually produced a few songs for people on this site over the years - I find it fun to work with pre-existing stuff.

I want to great a new genre involving binaural as I mentioned before, however the problem is it's potential to be massively abused - for example someone who made dubstep binaural - everything bounding all over the place can literally make the listener throw up. It's important to keep a "point of stability" in the song for the mind to latch onto to keep itself balanced.

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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2011-07-25 10:55:32 Reply

also to add to that with binaural its also important not to crowd - aka feel like you're in a closet with instruments playing all around you - binaural makes you very"aware" of your 3d surroundings - so it's good to have things spaced quite far apart of your mind will literally feel jammed full of sound, and not in a good way.

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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2011-07-25 11:06:28 Reply

At 7/25/11 10:27 AM, Calamaistr wrote: Now that its about volume and headphones, what do you guys thing about this:
http://audio.tutsplus.com/articles/gener al/are-the-volume-wars-killing-music-whi ch-side-are-you-on/

(dont just read the first paragraph :P )

I know its not 'news' or anything but id like to know some opinions on it.

There are scenarios when dynamics are more important than loudness, and scenarios when uniformity in loudness is more important than dynamics.

I think that in an album situation, where you can account for the dynamics for all of the tracks, and where the dynamics may be integral to the listening experiance, then loudness really isn't necessary and those dynamics should be preserved.

However, when you can't control what the dyanmics of the next tracks, ie on a radio, and when dyanmics are less important, ie in a club when music is being played loud and you can't percieve dynamics as clearly, then I think uniformity in loudness is pretty important, as to ensure a consistent listening experiance. And the only way to ensure uniformity in loudness is to push each track to it's limit. It's why radio stations have to put a ton of compressors on every single track they play.

Obviously there is a point at which the louder you push a track, the shitter it sounds. It's down to the mixing and mastering engineers to ensure that everything still sounds good.

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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2011-07-25 11:06:43 Reply

Chron, what model exactly did you purchase?

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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2011-07-25 11:15:16 Reply

I hate how yawning can fuck up your ears temporarily.......

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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2011-07-25 11:16:45 Reply

At 7/25/11 11:06 AM, uint wrote: Chron, what model exactly did you purchase?

ROLAND RECORDING PRO CS-10EM BINAURAL MICROPHONE EARPHONES

also, I hate people.

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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2011-07-25 11:17:26 Reply

At 7/25/11 11:15 AM, B0UNC3 wrote: I hate how yawning can fuck up your ears temporarily.......

That would explain why I suck at music.

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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2011-07-25 11:19:48 Reply

At 7/25/11 11:17 AM, uint wrote:
At 7/25/11 11:15 AM, B0UNC3 wrote: I hate how yawning can fuck up your ears temporarily.......
That would explain why I suck at music.

yeah it always pitches the music down.. always found that weird.

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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2011-07-25 11:27:39 Reply

At 7/25/11 08:52 AM, Quarl wrote: hey guis leave youri alone. he's just upset because if he dates a gurl that isn't christian and he falls in love with her, there isn't a chance in hell that she won't be sent to hell on her deathbed.

My Christian fate doesnt believe in Hell. However we do believe in a Heaven.

youri... you should pray for her while i speak in tongues. SHABABABDADAAABABABAAAAAA!!!! OGOGOGOAGOAFGADGBBBquarlGBBOABOABABOABOA BA!!!!!!

LOL!

At 7/25/11 09:56 AM, Echo wrote:
At 7/25/11 06:57 AM, YouriX wrote: Christian or a non-christian Girlfriend
If you're Christian you're not much of one. Jesus' birthday isn't Easter it's Christmas,

Uuuh. Jesus wasnt born on Christmas 25th but somewhere in October. Like you said yourself its a Roman holiday celebrating a Roman God. Also im a diffrint kind of Christian that dont celebrate birthdays. But i'll leave you to decide wich one doesnt do that.

But i am not here to discuss all that. But more like vent out what was on my mind. But i have a feeling everything will be alright. :)

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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2011-07-25 11:30:02 Reply

At 7/25/11 11:19 AM, Chronamut wrote:
At 7/25/11 11:17 AM, uint wrote:
At 7/25/11 11:15 AM, B0UNC3 wrote: I hate how yawning can fuck up your ears temporarily.......
That would explain why I suck at music.
yeah it always pitches the music down.. always found that weird.

Permanently so. I can't hear anything lower than a piccolo flute cause it's subsonic to me now.

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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2011-07-25 11:31:57 Reply

At 7/25/11 11:30 AM, SBB wrote:
At 7/25/11 11:19 AM, Chronamut wrote:
At 7/25/11 11:17 AM, uint wrote:
At 7/25/11 11:15 AM, B0UNC3 wrote: I hate how yawning can fuck up your ears temporarily.......
That would explain why I suck at music.
yeah it always pitches the music down.. always found that weird.
Permanently so. I can't hear anything lower than a piccolo flute cause it's subsonic to me now.

imagine if it kept pitching up so eventually hearing music would just make you spasm on the guound :P

i mad e a program in h/s that did that - just kept pitching up a sound.. eventually it got very uncomfortable..

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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2011-07-25 11:43:54 Reply

At 7/25/11 11:31 AM, Chronamut wrote: i mad e a program in h/s that did that - just kept pitching up a sound.. eventually it got very uncomfortable..

I'd imagine the aliasing was like the voice of an angel..... Not sure why you'd even do such an experiment though.

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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2011-07-25 11:55:50 Reply

At 7/25/11 11:43 AM, B0UNC3 wrote:
At 7/25/11 11:31 AM, Chronamut wrote: i mad e a program in h/s that did that - just kept pitching up a sound.. eventually it got very uncomfortable..
I'd imagine the aliasing was like the voice of an angel..... Not sure why you'd even do such an experiment though.

why not? Haven't you ever wondered what a sound progressively pitching up would be like when you were 14 years old?

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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2011-07-25 12:03:29 Reply

At 7/25/11 11:55 AM, Chronamut wrote: why not? Haven't you ever wondered what a sound progressively pitching up would be like when you were 14 years old?

Nope, can't say I have.

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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2011-07-25 12:15:39 Reply

Audio experiments

If you're using Linux, try "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/audio"

Obviously, you can route anything else you want to /dev/audio.

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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2011-07-25 13:38:14 Reply

EPICNESS.

I once started up a 3xosc and set them all to Squares at +24 CRS Tuning, At the highest note possible, Exported it to .Wav and did it again.

increment by 1 and loop

I also have really sensitive ears now, just because of that :P

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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2011-07-25 14:11:04 Reply

oh also fo rthe record lady gaga uses binaural - you can hear it in the beginning of her song "judas" with the motercycles whizzing by behind your head :)

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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2011-07-25 14:22:47 Reply

I'm a bit confused by this 'binaural headphone' concept. Headphones always have 2 audio sources, the only variable in the sensation of depth is the audio data playing. I did the wiki trawl as it appears others are drawing their source info from, and the only key piece to it is that of the mannequin head recording technique, which in effect really just deploys a stereo pair of mic with a lump in between.

I'm failing to see the complexity of this concept, or uniqueness of it.

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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2011-07-25 14:28:35 Reply

At 7/25/11 02:22 PM, InvisibleObserver wrote: I'm a bit confused by this 'binaural headphone' concept. Headphones always have 2 audio sources, the only variable in the sensation of depth is the audio data playing. I did the wiki trawl as it appears others are drawing their source info from, and the only key piece to it is that of the mannequin head recording technique, which in effect really just deploys a stereo pair of mic with a lump in between.

I'm failing to see the complexity of this concept, or uniqueness of it.

Thing is when it's set up exactly like your ears would be in a human head, it records the same microscopic delay on each side (or phase differences) as if you were just by the sound source in real life yourself. These differences are what allows your brain to triangulate the position of the sound source relative to your head.

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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2011-07-25 14:29:49 Reply

A bit of a mish mash of second and third person in that post. Hopefully it's still understandable.

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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2011-07-25 15:14:54 Reply

At 7/25/11 02:29 PM, SBB wrote: it's still understandable.

Yes it is, my confusion is that of the 'binaural headphone' aspect. All head phones are binaural and there was a bit of a tech out at 'binaural headphones' that seemed really misinformed. I may have read things wrong.


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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2011-07-25 15:20:31 Reply

At 7/25/11 03:14 PM, InvisibleObserver wrote:
At 7/25/11 02:29 PM, SBB wrote: it's still understandable.
Yes it is, my confusion is that of the 'binaural headphone' aspect. All head phones are binaural and there was a bit of a tech out at 'binaural headphones' that seemed really misinformed. I may have read things wrong.

that IS the technical term for these headphones though. And yes SBB explained it beautifully :)

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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2011-07-25 15:21:58 Reply

At 7/25/11 03:14 PM, InvisibleObserver wrote:
At 7/25/11 02:29 PM, SBB wrote: it's still understandable.
Yes it is, my confusion is that of the 'binaural headphone' aspect. All head phones are binaural and there was a bit of a tech out at 'binaural headphones' that seemed really misinformed. I may have read things wrong.

No, you're right. Binaural headphones technically refers to plain stereo headphones.

Binaural recording refers to that fancy way of setting up a dummy head with two mics in its ears and blablabla.

But I checked that thing Chron bought and it really seems like those are headphones designed for binaural recordings. Cool stuff. "Binaural headphones" is just a bit of a bad name for it.

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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2011-07-25 15:32:31 Reply

At 7/25/11 03:21 PM, uint wrote:
But I checked that thing Chron bought and it really seems like those are headphones designed for binaural recordings. Cool stuff. "Binaural headphones" is just a bit of a bad name for it.

yes I suppose the correct technical term would be "holophonic" headphones - but everyone seems to like the binaural word these days..

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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2011-07-25 15:35:29 Reply

how about headphones + binaural microphones

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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2011-07-25 15:40:41 Reply

At 7/25/11 03:35 PM, SBB wrote: how about headphones + binaural microphones

What are these Headphones the kids are talking about these days?