At 11/2/10 09:27 AM, Chronamut wrote:
At 11/1/10 06:46 PM, Bjra wrote:
PSYOU.. sir.. are a FUCKING hypocrite. Why do I say this? I can think of several years worth of gay hatred on your part towards me.
nothing wrong with homosexuality,
I never hated gays, ever. Period. Let me make that very clear.
The only thing I questioned and still do question is the absurd notion that one is born gay. I argued this back when I was 13 years old with you. But what has changed drastically is my black and white thinking, assuming that since one is not born gay it is wholly a conscious decision
In my mind, hating a gay/effeminate man for being sexually/emotionally interested in men/the masculine is just as absurd as hating a woman for being interested in men/the masculine.
In the womb, fetuses are exactly the same until around 7 or 8 weeks when the genitalia form and they start pumping out a disproportionate amount of their prospective sex hormones, based on the gender of the fetus. testosterone for guys, estrogen for women. Both hormones are present though in both genders, and are vital. It is the proportions that are different.
Left to it's own devices, this wash of hormones, up until one is an adult, will shape the human into its gender role, with both the physical characteristics and the mental and psychological characteristics. This is assuming a raw whole foods diet, consisting of whole vegetables, fruits, grains, legumes, nuts, and raw meat from fish and killed animals, we would have eaten living on the plains of Africa, along with the copious amounts of exercise we would have received all throughout our developmental years.
Men develop strong jawlines, defined brow lines, deep, deep voices, eyes recessed back into the face, masculine psychological development, including aggressive masculine behavior patterns, and a strong sexual/emotional attraction to feminine physical features and behavior patterns.
For women, They develop feminine bodily features, the round, soft face, soft facial features, breasts, fatty butts, feminine psychological features, including feminine behavioral patterns, and a strong sexual/emotional attraction to masculine/dominant as well as masculine facial and bodily features, such as voice and brow line.
Let's make something very clear, the ONLY difference between these two hypothetical humans as they reach adulthood their sex hormones. period. If you take two fetus twins at 8 weeks, one male and one female, and remove their genitals at this point, they WILL not develop into either gender, and will be right smack dab in the middle, exactly like one another.
now, for the modern man, from the time he is a fetus, he is awash in BPA and synthetic estrogen. especially if the mother normally eats canned foods, drinks cans of soda on a daily basis, or eats anything that was made from a plant doused in pesticides. Once he is born, he is fed a processed diet of garbage foods which damage his own ability to create testosterone. This processed diet makes him chunky, and saps him of vital energy to exercise. As we know, physical exercise is a trigger for our body to create testosterone to repair our muscles.
So he is awash in estrogen from the time he is a fetus, until the time he is an adult, fully past puberty. But his testosterone levels were lowered, and he was awash in synthetic estrogen his entire life.
He did not fully develop into his gender role. His face is rounder, he has adrogenous lips, adrogenous eyes, softer facial features. His voice is much higher pitched than it would have been, or not. He isn't as tall or as burly as he would have been. He has a weird combination of masculine and feminine psychological development. A similar thing happens to women, many women in our modern society are becoming adrogenous as their diet restricts their ability to produce natural amounts of estrogen. girls with boyish faces, deeper voice, who are more aggressive and dominant towards masculine approaches.
this is where the mind fuck occurs:
Which gender are they attracted to? men? woman? other physically adrogenous people? What gender is the right gender to be attracted to? Does society, and upbringing influence how one develops sexually and what they end up being attracted to? Does this lead to confusion? Is it wrong for men to be attracted to women, or women to be attracted to men? Was their attraction to that gender predisposed by their hormonal development up until adulthood? IS it wrong for women to like other women or men to like other men? Was this not predisposed by the chemicals they were awash in? Can a completely natural man like or love another completely natural man, or a natural women a woman? Do we ever see this in nature?
For that last question, the answer, looking at human tribal cultures, the answer is it is very rare but it happens. Women tend to have a widespread attraction to the masculine, although they have a bit more predisposition to bisexuality. Men on the other hand tend to feel very little/no attraction for other men whatsoever, instead feeling threatened by them. This is referring to completely natural humans.
Nonetheless, there are too many questions raised by this line of thinking, but I am wholly convinced that this line of thinking, the estrogenization of men, is the greatest factor in the massive raise in homosexuality, and bisexuality in men. The social programming surrounding homosexuality and effeminate behavior in men is merely riding the predispositions of men in our generation who are more likely to have those behavior patterns in the first place. But let's not forget, upbringing, and social influences do have a large influence on behavior. I believe that the chemical feminization of men facilitates their increased probability of picking up on these feminine behavior patterns/desires.
These links go directly to pages and a video showing the widespread pollution of estrogen in our society:
There you go Chronamut, no hate for gays here, just logic. Hating a gay is just absurd as hating a woman for liking men. And even if two completely natural men, for whatever reason get it on, I have no such hate. That might even be very hot, from my force-estrogenized mind. But good luck finding one. EVERYONE has been exposed to the same chemicals their entire lives, unless they were raised in the bush on food they found, and hunted, and in an environment unaffected by mankinds synthetic estrogens(including pesticides). This is the argument I meant to give you years ago :P