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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2013-03-12 09:31:31 Reply

At 3/12/13 04:32 AM, BrokenDeck wrote: lol that reminds me I should pop in once in a while and say hi. :P

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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2013-03-12 10:32:24 Reply

Hey cool, Reason 7 was just announced

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At 3/12/13 10:32 AM, SineRider wrote: Hey cool, Reason 7 was just announced

My head exploded into a horrible array of colours and wires

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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2013-03-12 19:10:31 Reply

At 3/12/13 10:32 AM, SineRider wrote: Hey cool, Reason 7 was just announced

That's cool... Now who's going to give it to me?


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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2013-03-12 19:40:08 Reply

At 3/12/13 10:32 AM, SineRider wrote: Hey cool, Reason 7 was just announced

I like the spectrum analyzer window, with the new equalizer. Wasn't a fan of the previous one. Have to see how much better this one works in practice, but it already looks like you have more control. I also like the midi out support. Wonder how well it works with my hardware. Should upgrade.


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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2013-03-13 09:41:31 Reply

At 3/12/13 10:32 AM, SineRider wrote: Hey cool, Reason 7 was just announced

This covers most of the features the guys on the Propellerhead forum have been begging for for a decade. I gave up about 2 years ago, lol

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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2013-03-13 09:53:06 Reply

At 3/12/13 10:32 AM, SineRider wrote: Hey cool, Reason 7 was just announced

And still no VST support.


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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2013-03-13 10:11:36 Reply

At 3/13/13 09:41 AM, Buoy wrote: This covers most of the features the guys on the Propellerhead forum have been begging for for a decade. I gave up about 2 years ago, lol

Better late than never, I suppose?

At 3/13/13 09:53 AM, Step wrote: And still no VST support.

Did you really expect them to? I mean I think Rack Extensions are the closest thing we're going to get. Personally, the whole VST support never really bothers me. If I want to use them I just pull up Live and rewire.

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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2013-03-13 10:27:40 Reply

At 3/13/13 10:11 AM, SineRider wrote: Did you really expect them to? I mean I think Rack Extensions are the closest thing we're going to get. Personally, the whole VST support never really bothers me. If I want to use them I just pull up Live and rewire.

Yeah this is why reason is totally not the DAW for me. I cannot imagine making music without my VSTs. Reason's racks may be great, but if Reason doesn't give me the ability to hop on the Internet and download an awesome free VST or fork out some money for something as incredible as Omnisphere or East/West, without buying yet another DAW and rewiring, then yeah I'll steer clear and stick to FL.

But that's just me. I'm the type who likes getting new sounds, editing them a little and using them more than making my own with the plugins offered to me. While I love the idea of making my own, I'm not very good at it and having an orchestral background I'm more used to just browsing through a bigass library and picking the sounds I want. And no matter how big Reason's libraries are, I'm sure I'll always feel the need to expand to new VSTs.

What's the big deal with adding VST support anyway? I know it must be easier said than done but frankly it really limits Reason and if anyone else out there is like me, it must put other people off buying it :(.


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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2013-03-13 10:39:01 Reply

At 3/13/13 10:27 AM, Step wrote: What's the big deal with adding VST support anyway? I know it must be easier said than done but frankly it really limits Reason and if anyone else out there is like me, it must put other people off buying it :(.

It's not that they haven't come around to it, they have actively chosen not to support it. One of their employees has written a thorough explanation of their reasoning:

Part 1
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IMO that is rock solid. If you don't like it you can use a different DAW, which you already do.

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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2013-03-13 10:44:53 Reply

At 3/13/13 10:27 AM, Step wrote: What's the big deal with adding VST support anyway? I know it must be easier said than done but frankly it really limits Reason and if anyone else out there is like me, it must put other people off buying it :(.

I didn't mean to say I'd be against it, but I think the limiting nature of it helps me really focus on the music I'm making. I know all the tools in Reason's rack almost in and out, and I can create what I hear in my head no problem. I have a workflow that's very different from when I use Live, Logic, or Pro Tools. It's all nice and contained which makes it easy to share from computer to computer as well.

I don't mean to come off as Reason is the end all DAW or something radical like that, but I think it has it's place just like FL and Live and whatever else does too. Each DAW has different strengths and weaknesses, it's all about which works for you.

Gonna check out that article Buoy posted too, haven't read it.

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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2013-03-13 12:05:01 Reply

forgot the last part, also it's a bit outdated since what they call Record got adapted into the next version of Reason and they have added more expandability since

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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2013-03-13 13:21:12 Reply

To be honest, I never completely saw the problem of Reason not supporting VST plugins. When people buy a VST they accept that it doesn't run on its own, and that you need a DAW first, but when they talk about a completely opperational and independent program like Reason, they suddenly complain it doesn't support other stuff. Reason is a pretty complete and solid DAW in itself, that doesn't take up too much of your CPU. You get exactly what you pay for, without needing to buy any additional software. Changing Reason so it will support VSTs will likely make it slower and less comprehensible. Sure there are nice VSTs. If you like to use them, simply use a different DAw that, does support VSTs. Plenty of those. If you like Reason as well, you can buy that too on top of what you already have, rewire it into your other DAW that supports VST and still get value for your money.


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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2013-03-13 15:42:27 Reply

If I ever get Reason in the future, I do want to try and see how it is rewired into another DAW though.


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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2013-03-13 16:19:23 Reply

At 3/13/13 10:44 AM, SineRider wrote: I didn't mean to say I'd be against it, but I think the limiting nature of it helps me really focus on the music I'm making. I know all the tools in Reason's rack almost in and out, and I can create what I hear in my head no problem.

This is a good point.

But yeah, I'm still not convinced that Reason is better off without VST support. I can see Propellerhead's reasoning (pun entirely intended) after reading the threads and it makes a lot of sense, but for me, looking through all the free VSTs people like sorohanro post and considering all the amazing specialised VSTs out there that have incredible sounds, I'd lose sleep on the fact that I wouldn't be able to touch any of them had I chosen Reason as my DAW. The shortcomings of third-party plugin support don't really outweigh the limitless benefits, in my opinion. VSTs 4 lyfe.

Not everyone will agree though. In the end it boils down to whatever works best for you I guess.


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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2013-03-14 02:46:07 Reply

to any producers who make hardcore techno/gabber or has knowledge of making phat, filthy kicks:

how do you do it?

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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2013-03-14 02:56:56 Reply

At 3/14/13 02:46 AM, Yoshiii343 wrote: to any producers who make hardcore techno/gabber or has knowledge of making phat, filthy kicks:

how do you do it?

@midimachine @jarrydn
hello there, love

distortion compress distortion compress distortion compress distortion compress distortion compress distortion compress distortion compress distortion compress distortion compress distortion compress distortion compress distortion compress distortion compress distortion compress distortion compress distortion compress distortion compress distortion compress distortion compress distortion compress distortion compress distortion compress


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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2013-03-14 04:22:00 Reply

At 3/14/13 02:56 AM, Sequenced wrote: distortion compress x as many times as you feel like it

not very helpful there, seaquence'd

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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2013-03-14 05:22:44 Reply

At 3/14/13 04:22 AM, Yoshiii343 wrote:
At 3/14/13 02:56 AM, Sequenced wrote: distortion compress x as many times as you feel like it
not very helpful there, seaquence'd

But that's actually how you do it :P

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At 3/14/13 02:46 AM, Yoshiii343 wrote: to any producers who make hardcore techno/gabber or has knowledge of making phat, filthy kicks:

how do you do it?

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I got some physical copies of my album printed up, it came out better than expected.
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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2013-03-14 23:39:51 Reply

At 3/14/13 02:46 AM, Yoshiii343 wrote: to any producers who make hardcore techno/gabber or has knowledge of making phat, filthy kicks:

how do you do it?

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i program a snappy kick into microtonic, then i use lots of multiband distortion to get it punching at the right frequency. you could probably pull it off using parametric eq and blood overdrive. i use stuff like ohmicide and camelphat.

there's heaps of ways to make disgusting kicks

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At 3/14/13 04:07 PM, stratkat wrote: I got some physical copies of my album printed up, it came out better than expected.
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w198/bloodismyink/100_051 9.jpg

ooooo shiny


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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2013-03-15 02:37:43 Reply

Since I'm a narcissist and have nothing better to do I made some calculations based on my personal stats, thought some of you could be interested or get a general insight of what's life in the portal like for average people (or maybe I just don't want the 30 minutes I spent go to waste and grieve and become depressed and cry and cut myself and other shit).

All numbers are approximated to look like nice numbers and not mean numbers that give ugly stares.
So anyway,

64967 plays in 35 submissions
avg of 1856.2 plays per song

5819 downloads in 35 submissions
avg of 166.26 downloads per song
avg of 1 download every 11.16 plays

195 audio reviews
avg of 1 review every 333.16 plays
avg of 1 review every 29.84 downloads

96 fans
1 fan gained every 676.74 plays and 60.61 downloads.

Considering this statistics and this statistics only and the total amount of plays,
There's a chance of 8.96% that a listener will decide to download a song.
The chance of a listener deciding to leave a review is of 0.3%
The chance of a listener to fan me is of 0.14%

I began actively submitting, to the portal on February 2nd of 2012. Today is March 15th 2013, that makes for a total of 407 days (58 weeks and 1 Day)
This means that, theoretically, every 11.63 days I get (more like should) off my lazy ass and grace the portal with a song of mine (lol)
This also means that every day brings in 159.62 plays and 14.30 downloads, 0.48 audio reviews and 0.24 fans.

My total audio revenue is of $2.53
This means that on avg., every day earns me $0.006
This also means that to earn $1 I need to get 25678.65 plays first and 2300 downloads.
Considering it took me 407 days to get $2.53 it should take 16086.96 days to earn the $100 minimum to cash out (which would equal to 2,567,865 plays and 230,000 downloads).

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50% chance you are already.
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90% of the Lounge users have made references to cocks in their posts.
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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2013-03-15 03:01:54 Reply

At 3/15/13 02:37 AM, Braiton wrote: All numbers are approximated to look like nice numbers and not mean numbers that give ugly stares.

we want fractions! we want fractions! we want fractions!

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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2013-03-15 03:09:15 Reply

At 3/15/13 02:37 AM, Braiton wrote: 96 fans

Make that 97.

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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2013-03-15 03:15:17 Reply

At 3/15/13 03:01 AM, Buoy wrote:
At 3/15/13 02:37 AM, Braiton wrote: All numbers are approximated to look like nice numbers and not mean numbers that give ugly stares.
we want fractions! we want fractions! we want fractions!

No. Fractions give ugly stares.

At 3/15/13 03:09 AM, Yoshiii343 wrote:
At 3/15/13 02:37 AM, Braiton wrote: 96 fans
Make that 97.

You just made most of my calculations incorrect :(
But thank you. I promise I will be alive the day I cash out revenue generated from the AP.

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At 3/14/13 11:39 PM, jarrydn wrote: i program a snappy kick into microtonic, then i use lots of multiband distortion to get it punching at the right frequency. you could probably pull it off using parametric eq and blood overdrive. i use stuff like ohmicide and camelphat.

there's heaps of ways to make disgusting kicks

eehhhh so it's mainly (or probably better if) made through synthesis? it's more or less the same with using samples?

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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2013-03-15 04:38:44 Reply

At 3/15/13 04:09 AM, Yoshiii343 wrote:
there's heaps of ways to make disgusting kicks
eehhhh so it's mainly (or probably better if) made through synthesis? it's more or less the same with using samples?

when it comes to gabber kicks i prefer to synthesize them, i don't think there is any other way to get the exaggerated sound i'm going for. it's not exactly what you'd call a classic gabber kick, but fuck we're living in the 21st century ;D

you could achieve the same thing maybe using the old favourite 909 kick drum samples, but putting an exaggerated pitch envelope on them. when i do my gabber kicks they tend to sweep through a good few octaves in the first 50-100ms before they settle on a fundamental