At 1/7/13 12:55 PM, Step wrote:
Ooh, an Internet discussion on religion. I've never seen that one before.
At 1/7/13 11:48 AM, Mich wrote:
I respect people's right to believe whatever they want. I don't necessarily respect the beliefs. And I do not condemn basing morality and actions to do with other people's rights and welfare on baseless beliefs.This is pretty much my mindset too. What I also don't like is when people impose their religions on other people. I'm all for freedom of speech and whatnot but when you start almost forcing your religion on other people, then it gets irritating.
You're free the believe as you will, but don't impede on others' happiness through it. If you do that you can fuck right off in my book.
My reason for saying this stems most strongly from the fact that schools here force you to go to mass. Every Friday all the school is forced to go to mass regardless of their beliefs, and if we skip mass we risk getting a suspension. Some 'special occasion' masses take up to 2 and a half hours... and it was even worse back in secondary, we had to go to mass everyday!
I might be making a big deal over nothing but it's honestly boring listening to all that for someone who thinks it's all crap that cannot be scientifically proven, and nerve-wrecking to know that I could be doing so much more useful and fulfilling stuff for me than sit through those rituals and prayers that I know by heart now.
Yeah, that stuff annoys the hell (pun intended) out of me too. Children will believe anything an adult will tell them is fact, and do what they're told (basically). It's just how they work and what makes them survive. Adults then just abuse the mindless acceptance to feed them the religious dogma, rather than teaching the children how to think. Thereby completely misguiding and disadvantaging them. I'm fairly certain a lot less people would be theists if they didn't hear about any of those concepts before they were, sayÂ¸ 20 years old.
We should be teaching people how to critically analyze claims, require evidence, and dismiss any claims that can't be backed up whatsoever. We should be relaying the scientific facts that have been discovered, along with evidence and explanations on how the facts follow through from that evidence. This as opposed to teaching writings as fact from a millennia-old book that has been translated and modified countless times over that time.
I am totally okay with the bible an the quran and what have you being read in schools, so long as it is in a historical/cultural context. It would work as part of history classes on culture, that is, not using these books as actual accounts of history, but as a part of old culture.
Also, this is a little bit relevant, a video on open-mindedness, which discusses being critical of things.
asdf I could ramble about this stuff for ages