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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2012-10-12 16:09:44 Reply

At 10/12/12 03:43 PM, BrokenDeck wrote: The calculus course that I took, we weren't allowed to use graphing calculators, or calculators at all. :'( Makes no sense to me TBH.

I failed it of course. Both times.

That's better IMO.
I got to the point where I relied too much on my calculator, that I needed it to sum two ones.
I try not to use it as much now, for trivial stuff.

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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2012-10-12 16:33:26 Reply

Maths Stuff

Yeah I don't care for a second that using a calculator often can make you rely so much on it because my calculator is literally a gift from the gods. It calculates the values of derivatives given the x value, integrals given the upper/lower limits, roots of a quadratic, roots of a cubic, all sorts of matrix/vector functions and plenty of other super useful things that make it so easy to check your answers and stuff.

And besides I'm able to work out stuff mentally very well too, since ever since secondary we were always trained to show all our working and simplify as much as possible before we enter anything in the calculator, consequently making me have to work out a lot of stuff mentally.

Regardless, you should see me on the calculator. I type on it nearly as quickly as I type on my keyboard. I love it.

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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2012-10-12 16:37:58 Reply

At 10/12/12 04:09 PM, Braiton wrote:
At 10/12/12 03:43 PM, BrokenDeck wrote: The calculus course that I took, we weren't allowed to use graphing calculators, or calculators at all. :'( Makes no sense to me TBH.

I failed it of course. Both times.
I got to the point where I relied too much on my calculator, that I needed it to sum two ones.
I try not to use it as much now, for trivial stuff.

Failed university-level Calculus here, once, 41.2%. I took it again with score of 94.7%. Failed Advanced Function, twice, took it again with scores of 97.3%. I am man of application math, not theoretical stuff...

I never good in doing quick math. There are several thing I can beat most math people I know. I can cite the multiplication tables up to 70. Basically anything in algebra, arithmetic, calculus and geometry, give me complex problems and I can solve them in a reasonable amount of time. Not quick, I cannot do shit in quick time...

But seriously, I hate trigonometry and combinatoric... oh well, programming use BOTH of these... :/


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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2012-10-12 16:53:47 Reply

At 10/12/12 04:37 PM, Computer112 wrote: I never good in doing quick math. There are several thing I can beat most math people I know. I can cite the multiplication tables up to 70. Basically anything in algebra, arithmetic, calculus and geometry, give me complex problems and I can solve them in a reasonable amount of time. Not quick, I cannot do shit in quick time...

Man I used to be exactly the same (except I've always liked theoretical maths regardless). Rushing makes it so easy to cause mistakes. However I've been forced to learn how to be quicker since the exams here are crazy.

An extremely small percentage of people actually finish the whole exam. The average pass rate for this maths exam in Malta is 22% (that means getting an A, B, C, D, or E. So 78% of all the maths students in Malta get an F. Not very encouraging). Therefore, any good school has to gear the students up ridiculously well to speed up and not make mistakes, hence the average of 5 hours of compulsory maths homework I get everyday.


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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2012-10-12 19:04:42 Reply

MATHS

I can't math. I'm taking a compulsory math unit for my degree which is basically babby's first statistics course and I'm kinda not doing too great!


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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2012-10-12 20:17:00 Reply

Forgot Algebra

You don't need it anymore!

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At 10/12/12 07:04 PM, midimachine wrote: MATHS

it always makes me lol thats brits put an S at the end.

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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2012-10-12 21:16:49 Reply

At 10/12/12 09:01 PM, Criminal-23 wrote: How EXACTLY will one use such an equation in his life? Unless it's Science-related, it's pretty much useless shit.

And yet in their younger years everyone has to take maths regardless of their career choice, along with many other subjects like additional languages, geography, computing, science, art, history, and so on, of which only a few will be actually relevant and helpful later on in your life.

Welcome to the ever so wonderful and highly efficient system of education employed by today's blossoming world.


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At 10/12/12 09:16 PM, Step wrote:
At 10/12/12 09:01 PM, Criminal-23 wrote: How EXACTLY will one use such an equation in his life? Unless it's Science-related, it's pretty much useless shit.
And yet in their younger years everyone has to take maths regardless of their career choice, along with many other subjects like additional languages, geography, computing, science, art, history, and so on, of which only a few will be actually relevant and helpful later on in your life.

Welcome to the ever so wonderful and highly efficient system of education employed by today's blossoming world.

Here's a stick, go fight wild animals for food, then skin it for clothing and eat their raw flesh in your hut.

Oh wait, science gave you a house that doesn't fall into pieces when there's an earthquake.

I'm with you people on the whole 'education strips individuality, doesn't recognize unique cognitive abilities in individuals' etc, but to argue that things like science, history or even something as simple as geography aren't useful in life is kind of biased, don't you think?

Besides, after a while you seek education, it doesn't seek you. So to cynically point out that the system is somewhat rigid, is to blindly defy the fact that such a system is, above all, one hell of a luxury.


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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2012-10-12 21:51:51 Reply

At 10/12/12 09:01 PM, Criminal-23 wrote: Well, I don't know how the fuck it works next, but it should be either:
X = 4 Root[3]
Or
X = -4 Root[3]

How EXACTLY will one use such an equation in his life? Unless it's Science-related, it's pretty much useless shit.

LOL, isn't Math is all about logics?

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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2012-10-12 22:19:36 Reply

At 10/12/12 09:01 PM, Criminal-23 wrote: How EXACTLY will one use such an equation in his life? Unless it's Science-related, it's pretty much useless shit.

Well, I'm pretty sure you should be thankful for it because it's pretty much one of the reasons you are not buried under a pile of rubble and debris. So yeah, useless shit.

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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2012-10-12 22:33:21 Reply

At 10/12/12 09:44 PM, la-yinn wrote: Here's a stick, go fight wild animals for food, then skin it for clothing and eat their raw flesh in your hut.

Oh wait, science gave you a house that doesn't fall into pieces when there's an earthquake.

I'm with you people on the whole 'education strips individuality, doesn't recognize unique cognitive abilities in individuals' etc, but to argue that things like science, history or even something as simple as geography aren't useful in life is kind of biased, don't you think?

Besides, after a while you seek education, it doesn't seek you. So to cynically point out that the system is somewhat rigid, is to blindly defy the fact that such a system is, above all, one hell of a luxury.

Yeah I wasn't really arguing about those subjects being useless. I was arguing that they will be useless to some people. A certain percentage of people go for a medicine-oriented career, others for law, others for music, and so on. Everyone's different, but everyone has to study the same stuff for the first 15 years of their lives or so, and the stuff people learn which they won't study later on in life or take as a career will be almost entirely forgotten because that's what humans do. We forget.

I learned French and Italian for five years and now I can barely ask a French or Italian person what their name and age is. And religion? Not a sliver of information of it left in my skull. Now, other people will say the same about maths and computing. Also, I'm not saying school is useless either because it's the reason educated humans aren't morons (well, most educated humans anyway). But the system is highly flawed, and wastes a lot of time. I kinda thought it was generally agreed upon by everyone that the school system is crap, haha.


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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2012-10-12 22:40:31 Reply

Since I'm bored, I'll drop in on what I think about algebra's usefulness:

Unless you are a engineer, a scientist (usually related to space-y stuff), an algebra teacher or an accountant, algebra isn't necessarily required for most careers. So why does high schools make you slave over algebra if you want to go to university? (or college?)

Simply because it (may)develop these skills/characteristics:
~ Your tenacity to learn and to store information
~ Gives you better reasoning abilities (when presented with a problem)
~ Allows you to communicate better

So really it's just there to develop your brain a little to prepare you for the glorious glorious fun that will be tertiary education.


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At 10/12/12 10:40 PM, Jeromia wrote: glorious glorious fun

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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2012-10-13 01:23:03 Reply

I forget what its called so for all intensive purposes we'll call it "practical math" because thats what it is.

It's a course where you learn math you use everyday, such as percentages, measurements, and I think thats about it really.


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At 10/13/12 01:23 AM, sweet21 wrote: I forget what its called so for all intensive purposes we'll call it "practical math" because thats what it is.

It's a course where you learn math you use everyday, such as percentages, measurements, and I think thats about it really.

Known in Canada as "Applied Mathematics".


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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2012-10-13 03:43:18 Reply

At 10/13/12 01:28 AM, Back-From-Purgatory wrote: Known in Canada as "Applied Mathematics".

Also known In Australia (Queensland) as "Maths A"

and for the people whom like to re-learn grade 7 maths in Austrlia, "Prevocational Maths" XD

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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2012-10-13 04:02:19 Reply

At 10/12/12 10:40 PM, Jeromia wrote:
Simply because it (may)develop these skills/characteristics:
~ Your tenacity to learn and to store information
~ Gives you better reasoning abilities (when presented with a problem)
~ Allows you to communicate better

So really it's just there to develop your brain a little to prepare you for the glorious glorious fun that will be tertiary education.

Actually for me when I took my calculus courses, that was around the time I first started getting physical pain in my skull from thinking too hard. REALLY.

Using my brain causes physical pain.

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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2012-10-13 04:18:56 Reply

Wow I must've missed a lot, since we're talking about maths and all.
I still hate it.

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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2012-10-13 11:07:45 Reply

At 10/12/12 04:53 PM, Step wrote:
At 10/12/12 04:37 PM, Computer112 wrote: I never good in doing quick math. There are several thing I can beat most math people I know. I can cite the multiplication tables up to 70. Basically anything in algebra, arithmetic, calculus and geometry, give me complex problems and I can solve them in a reasonable amount of time. Not quick, I cannot do shit in quick time...
Man I used to be exactly the same (except I've always liked theoretical maths regardless). Rushing makes it so easy to cause mistakes. However I've been forced to learn how to be quicker since the exams here are crazy.

An extremely small percentage of people actually finish the whole exam. The average pass rate for this maths exam in Malta is 22% (that means getting an A, B, C, D, or E. So 78% of all the maths students in Malta get an F. Not very encouraging). Therefore, any good school has to gear the students up ridiculously well to speed up and not make mistakes, hence the average of 5 hours of compulsory maths homework I get everyday.

85% of the think we learn in school will never apply IRL. Math is no exception. I was more confident in learning university math, and other stuff. I think either US and Canada; all have the same weakness is that they all do not gear up applied educations for students. Everyone just goes theoretical and no one tries to put that in to real life usages. In Canada this thing is seriously lacking. I hope where you study is better. Heard Malta educations are one of the top in Europe.

Trig is a nightmare for me. I tried to master it but never really successful to do so. Every time I need to reference something from trig, had to flip the textbook open just to look at Euler formula and its equations (graphic programming with trig is a pain in the butt).

If you are a trig lover, I hail to you, master...


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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2012-10-13 11:26:24 Reply

At 10/12/12 09:44 PM, la-yinn wrote:
At 10/12/12 09:16 PM, Step wrote: Welcome to the ever so wonderful and highly efficient system of education employed by today's blossoming world.
Here's a stick, go fight wild animals for food, then skin it for clothing and eat their raw flesh in your hut.

Oh wait, science gave you a house that doesn't fall into pieces when there's an earthquake.

I'm with you people on the whole 'education strips individuality, doesn't recognize unique cognitive abilities in individuals' etc, but to argue that things like science, history or even something as simple as geography aren't useful in life is kind of biased, don't you think?

Building a hut doesn't have anything to do with math. Indigenous people do that all the time. Ask them what is 2 + 2 and they'll give you 5 (you decide the puns!). Do they give a fuck about who won the Nobel prize this year? No.

Do you build a hut with math? No you build it with material and common senses. In the end you don't need to know all maths, just to have common sense. Some maths are indeed very important. Most are shits. Shits fly IRL. Tell me, what does Topology has use IRL? Probably in some applications? No?

Stop acting like Mr. Know-it-all, shut up, wake the fuck up and see the real problems. Thank you

Besides, after a while you seek education, it doesn't seek you. So to cynically point out that the system is somewhat rigid, is to blindly defy the fact that such a system is, above all, one hell of a luxury.

OF COURSE, Capt. Obvious! Hey asshole, we are not 'blindly' bashing the educations we get/got. In fact if you read the previous posts, every one was saying what is useful and what is use less. Read before posting, for fuck sake.


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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2012-10-13 12:59:20 Reply

god Computer112 your trolling is boring and awful

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Response to The Audio Forum Lounge 2012-10-13 13:02:16 Reply

At 10/13/12 11:26 AM, Computer112 wrote:
common senses. maths, Most are shits. what does Topology has use IRL? Probably in some applications?

fuk

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At 10/13/12 11:26 AM, Computer112 wrote: Building a hut doesn't have anything to do with math. Indigenous people do that all the time. Ask them what is 2 + 2 and they'll give you 5 (you decide the puns!). Do they give a fuck about who won the Nobel prize this year? No.

Do you build a hut with math? No you build it with material and common senses. In the end you don't need to know all maths, just to have common sense. Some maths are indeed very important. Most are shits. Shits fly IRL. Tell me, what does Topology has use IRL? Probably in some applications? No?

Stop acting like Mr. Know-it-all, shut up, wake the fuck up and see the real problems. Thank you

Except that's your own perception of indigenous people and not a real fact. Sure, they probably didn't have the same theoretical knowledge about different subject that we do posses now and probably used different symbols to refer to different things but it's not like they were a bunch of retards living under the sun.

Also huts are completely irrelevant. We don't live in huts and I'm pretty sure material and common sense are not enough to build the houses or structures we live in now.

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At 10/13/12 01:27 PM, Braiton wrote: stuff

Someone doesn't get my jokes. Btw, I'm not the OP of the 'huts problem'.

Kudos to Buoy for discovering it...


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a trol never reveals himself......

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At 10/13/12 07:32 PM, Computer112 wrote:
At 10/13/12 01:27 PM, Braiton wrote: stuff
Someone doesn't get my jokes. Btw, I'm not the OP of the 'huts problem'.

Kudos to Buoy for discovering it...

olol jokes

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At 10/13/12 07:58 PM, jpbear wrote: a trol never reveals himself......

He could be in this very room, he could be you, he could be me, he could even be....


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