Inauguration 08-Obama

[BrianEtrius]

Well, here it is folks. The big one. The time of the year to finally put the guy the majority of America voted for into office, and promptly kicking the old one out.

(Fun fact: At Bush's inauguration, about 30,000 people attended. At Obama's speech in Baltimore, about 40,000 showed up.)

With this being the first step in a new era, what do you expect of our new president? Will he rise up to the challenge and his promises? Will he fail in the face of the public? What do you think?

[EKublai]

At 1/19/09 03:01 PM, BrianEtrius wrote: Well, here it is folks. The big one. The time of the year to finally put the guy the majority of America voted for into office, and promptly kicking the old one out.

(Fun fact: At Bush's inauguration, about 30,000 people attended. At Obama's speech in Baltimore, about 40,000 showed up.)

With this being the first step in a new era, what do you expect of our new president? Will he rise up to the challenge and his promises? Will he fail in the face of the public? What do you think?

you know what? he's gonna be okay.... yeah. *rests hand on brian's shoulder, nods reassuringly. Both exit walking towards the sun rising over the horizon. Pilgrim's Chorus Plays*

[Sammeh]

I think Obama has just been what you yanks needed. I think that he'll be one of the best presidents since Lincoln to be really honest. I am sure the he'll solve a lot of the problems that Bush has just blindly ignored over the past.

What I'm worried about is some redneck who is still living in the days of the American Civil War will make an assassination attempt. It happened to Lincoln, it happened to Kennedy (I think he was a good president, but I wasn't born by then :P) I just hope it doesn't happen again.

[Minarchist]

At 1/19/09 03:01 PM, BrianEtrius wrote: Well, here it is folks. The big one. The time of the year to finally put the guy the majority of America voted for into office, and promptly kicking the old one out.

He's not being kicked out.

With this being the first step in a new era,

Oh wow. Begging the question, are we? Be honest with yourself, all you're getting is another high spending, big government liberal in office. Bush was bad, but Obama is philosophically just more of the same.

what do you expect of our new president? Will he rise up to the challenge and his promises? Will he fail in the face of the public? What do you think?

I don't think he'll deliver on much of his promises because big government is unsustainable. I think in a few years we'll see the complete ruin of the dollar.

[AKACCMIOF]

You know, I think his tax plan and stance on regulation will be good for America, not even mentioning his ethical foreign policy and his uncanny gift for orating. I think America chose the right guy to help it out through difficult times! Well done!

Hey wait up guys! Its not often you see a sunset at half nine at night! (runs after Brian and EKublai)

[AKACCMIOF]

At 1/19/09 04:32 PM, Minarchist wrote:

At 1/19/09 03:01 PM, BrianEtrius wrote: Well, here it is folks. The big one. The time of the year to finally put the guy the majority of America voted for into office, and promptly kicking the old one out.

He's not being kicked out.

No but the Republican party is. The Republican campaign and the Liberal victory was more or less a bitch slap for Bush. A bush slap, if you will.

Oh wow. Begging the question, are we? Be honest with yourself, all you're getting is another high spending, big government liberal in office. Bush was bad, but Obama is philosophically just more of the same.

Not really. Bush: Free market idealogue with no real respect for human rights or civil liberties. Obama: Keynesian idealogue who wants to shut down unconstitutional "prisons" and put more emphasis on rebuilding countries instead of destroying their infrastructure and letting free markets do their work. But I know your position on economics, so I won't say anymore other than they are ideologically opposed.

I don't think he'll deliver on much of his promises because big government is unsustainable. I think in a few years we'll see the complete ruin of the dollar.

While I am in favour of local government, it is undeniable that so many major bipartisan nations have not ruined the dollar so to speak, that maybe hell do the right thing.

Sunset?

[MortifiedPenguins]

More then likely this innaguration is just going to be the outspoken liberal celebrities state of grace at the cost of the American taxpayer for a rather overdramatized even that could be done for an extreme fraction of the cost without all this huff and puff.

And more then likely he'll fail to live up to any of his promises and turn into every other "reformist" politiician that goes to Washington. Except that he's already a socialist parasite.

Washington never changes, it changes them.

[Memorize]

At 1/19/09 04:40 PM, AKACCMIOF wrote:

Not really. Bush: Free market idealogue with no real respect for human rights or civil liberties.

Yeah, that's why regulation has hit an all time record high under Bush.

All
Time
High

Those are 3 links by the way.

Obama: Keynesian idealogue who wants to shut down unconstitutional "prisons" and put more emphasis on rebuilding countries instead of destroying their infrastructure and letting free markets do their work. But I know your position on economics, so I won't say anymore other than they are ideologically opposed.

...Emphasis on rebuilding countries?

Wtf have we been doing in Afghanistan and Iraq for the past 7 years?

While I am in favour of local government, it is undeniable that so many major bipartisan nations have not ruined the dollar so to speak, that maybe hell do the right thing.

Yeah, that's why Obama plans to Triple Bush's record high deficits.

LOL @ people who think Obama will bring change.

[Minarchist]

At 1/19/09 04:40 PM, AKACCMIOF wrote:

At 1/19/09 04:32 PM, Minarchist wrote:

At 1/19/09 03:01 PM, BrianEtrius wrote: Well, here it is folks. The big one. The time of the year to finally put the guy the majority of America voted for into office, and promptly kicking the old one out.

He's not being kicked out.

No but the Republican party is. The Republican campaign and the Liberal victory was more or less a bitch slap for Bush. A bush slap, if you will.

It's rightly deserved, but we'll soon see that the things we hated about Republicans are the same things we'll hate about Democrats in a couple years.

Oh wow. Begging the question, are we? Be honest with yourself, all you're getting is another high spending, big government liberal in office. Bush was bad, but Obama is philosophically just more of the same.

Not really. Bush: Free market idealogue

Oh please.

with no real respect for human rights or civil liberties.

And in what ways on these issues is he different from Obama?

Obama: Keynesian idealogue

Bush hasn't stepped in the way of any Keynesian policy.

who wants to shut down unconstitutional "prisons"

I see you're trying to invoke the Constitution. I see few of Obama's promises that aren't unconstitutional.

As for the prisons, it's really a minor issue of human rights compared to the systematic theft and fraud committed by the Fed.

and put more emphasis on rebuilding countries instead of destroying their infrastructure

Bush spent about 3 weeks bombing the country and 5 years rebuilding it. I'd say he emphasized on rebuilding, but what do Americans have to show for it? Bankruptcy.

and letting free markets do their work.

The economy is NO WHERE close to being free.

But I know your position on economics, so I won't say anymore other than they are ideologically opposed.

I'm glad you know my position on economics. Remember it in a few years when mommy and daddy have to deal with the inflation involved in printing trillions of dollars every year just to cover budget deficits because the guy the White House thinks he can make jobs.

I don't think he'll deliver on much of his promises because big government is unsustainable. I think in a few years we'll see the complete ruin of the dollar.

While I am in favour of local government, it is undeniable that so many major bipartisan nations have not ruined the dollar so to speak, that maybe hell do the right thing.

Hyperinflation is on the extreme end, but there have been very notable instances in history, like pre-Nazi Germany, and currently, like Zimbabwe. Outside of hyperinflating, in 2008 Iceland, once hailed by many liberal economists as having a shining model of welfare schemes, destroyed it's currency, the Icelandic crown, with reckless monetary policy. While we may not end up hyperinflating, you can be SURE the dollar will no longer be the reserve currency in the word.

[aninjaman]

*attempts to say something about inauguration*
*gets drowned out by economic debate*

[HogWashSoup]

well you need to remember that what ever he decides has to go through the legislation branch. so a number of things he promised might not happen cause theey were voted against. i think he will do the best he can to do most of what he promised.

[SuperDeagle]

At 1/19/09 04:32 PM, Minarchist wrote: I don't think he'll deliver on much of his promises

Didn't Obama, just two weeks ago, say he wouldn't be able to fulfill the majority of his promises because the climate is different now then from the campaign season?

[MortifiedPenguins]

At 1/19/09 05:24 PM, SuperDeagle wrote:

At 1/19/09 04:32 PM, Minarchist wrote:

Didn't Obama, just two weeks ago, say he wouldn't be able to fulfill the majority of his promises because the climate is different now then from the campaign season?

How has the world changed so dramatically in two months that would alter every single promise that he has given on what he would do.

Has every American apparently find low cost healthcare? Is the economy stabilized again? Has the forlorn American blue collar recieved thier jobs again that went overseas?

The reality is that he knows that he can't fulfill those promises (like every politician in campaign season) and is subsequently falling back onto excuses.

[BrianEtrius]

LOOK PEOPLE:

THIS IS ABOUT THE INAUGURATION. NOT A FUCKING ECONOMIC DEBATE.

If you want to do that, I'm sure there's a more appropriate thread. This is about the INAUGURATION and WHAT OBAMA HAS IN STORE, NOT THE ECONOMY.

Get it?

[Minarchist]

At 1/19/09 05:58 PM, BrianEtrius wrote: WHAT OBAMA HAS IN STORE

NOT THE ECONOMY

Oh, right.

[Patton3]

At 1/19/09 04:21 PM, Dsmano wrote: I think Obama has just been what you yanks needed. I think that he'll be one of the best presidents since Lincoln to be really honest. I am sure the he'll solve a lot of the problems that Bush has just blindly ignored over the past.

What I'm worried about is some redneck who is still living in the days of the American Civil War will make an assassination attempt. It happened to Lincoln, it happened to Kennedy (I think he was a good president, but I wasn't born by then :P) I just hope it doesn't happen again.

I agree he'll be a great president, there are plenty of other posts to talk about that in more depth, but I don't think assassinatio is as big of a problem as some people project it to be.
Also, just wonderin', why do British people refer to all Americans as "Yanks"? You do realize calling a southern man a Yankee is liable to get you a 30-06 round in the ass, right?

[animehater]

I can't wait till next week when people will finally stop with this "OMG Obama Obama Obama" bullshit and the reality starts to set in.

[AntiangelicAngel]

At 1/19/09 04:32 PM, Minarchist wrote: Oh wow. Begging the question, are we? Be honest with yourself, all you're getting is another high spending, big government liberal in office. Bush was bad, but Obama is philosophically just more of the same.

Well, presumably, Obama is going to be a tax-and-spend liberal, whereas Bush was a borrow-now-so-we-have-to-tax-even-more-l ater "conservative"

[AntiangelicAngel]

At 1/19/09 04:32 PM, Minarchist wrote:

With this being the first step in a new era,

Oh wow. Begging the question, are we?

...
I think you're doing it wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the _question

[Minarchist]

At 1/19/09 07:54 PM, AntiangelicAngel wrote:

At 1/19/09 04:32 PM, Minarchist wrote:

With this being the first step in a new era,

Oh wow. Begging the question, are we?

...
I think you're doing it wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the _question

Not at all. He's asking what we can expect from Obama by first calling it a new era. He's assuming it will be a new era when the entire point of my post was that it's just more the same. But thanks for keeping me on my toes, junior.

[Minarchist]

At 1/19/09 07:50 PM, AntiangelicAngel wrote:

At 1/19/09 04:32 PM, Minarchist wrote: Oh wow. Begging the question, are we? Be honest with yourself, all you're getting is another high spending, big government liberal in office. Bush was bad, but Obama is philosophically just more of the same.

Well, presumably, Obama is going to be a tax-and-spend liberal, whereas Bush was a borrow-now-so-we-have-to-tax-even-more-l ater "conservative"

Actually, they're both inflate-and-spend liberals. The income tax is really the red herring in these economic discussions. If the income tax was the principle means of paying for government activity, we would have an incredibly small government. Also, no one will ever raise taxes to cover the true cost of government because they'd instantly become unpopular. Instead, they just steal the money from anyone with dollars by printing new ones.

[BrianEtrius]

At 1/19/09 08:15 PM, Minarchist wrote:
Not at all. He's asking what we can expect from Obama by first calling it a new era. He's assuming it will be a new era when the entire point of my post was that it's just more the same. But thanks for keeping me on my toes, junior.

Now did I say about economic policy? No. I purposely left it open ended for anybody to interpret it. It Obama the same in Bush when it comes to say, Iraq? I don't think so. Then it's new compared to the old.

Furthermore, what else about Obama is fundamentally the same with Bush, besides possibly the economic plan? I'm sorry, I don't see anything.

[Minarchist]

At 1/19/09 08:25 PM, BrianEtrius wrote:

At 1/19/09 08:15 PM, Minarchist wrote:
Not at all. He's asking what we can expect from Obama by first calling it a new era. He's assuming it will be a new era when the entire point of my post was that it's just more the same. But thanks for keeping me on my toes, junior.

Now did I say about economic policy? No. I purposely left it open ended for anybody to interpret it.

Yeah, and then you got butthurt when people talked about the economy.

It Obama the same in Bush when it comes to say, Iraq? I don't think so.

Philosophically he's an interventionist, just like Bush. He's not going to bring any troops home from the other 134 countries. In fact, he wants to deploy more troops to Afghanistan. As for Iraq specifically, I'd be really, really surprised if Obama leaves before the scheduled 2011 departure. Just more of the same.

Furthermore, what else about Obama is fundamentally the same with Bush, besides possibly the economic plan? I'm sorry, I don't see anything.

An interventionist foreign policy and the assault on American civil liberties.

[Shoopufzilla]

I'm watching right now. Who else is?

[MrCongeniality]

I'm watching too. Truly is historic and a great moment in american history. The fact that citizens leaped over the whole race issue, and the person Barack Obama is, gave me hope that maybe this country isn't fucked after all.

I remember when he won how great it felt, it felt so fucking great. I can feel that feeling again today. It's hard not to choke up about it...

I'm watching the stream on MSNBC right now, and I'm just waiting for the entire national mall to fucking explode in a roar when Obama comes out.

[Tri-Nitro-Toluene]

Anyone find it interesting how everyone when being announced was given full names ( ie, George Walker Bush) whislt Obama was Barack *H* Obama, thus drawing attention away from his middle name?

[Memorize]

At 1/20/09 11:42 AM, MrCongeniality wrote:

I remember when he won how great it felt, it felt so fucking great. I can feel that feeling again today. It's hard not to choke up about it...

That certainly explains why our Democrats in Congress decided to fold over when Blago told them that if they didn't seat Burris that it would be racist (as Burris would be the only black senator).

Yeah... we're REALLY over that race thing.

[gumOnShoe]

At 1/20/09 11:44 AM, Tri-Nitro-Toluene wrote: Anyone find it interesting how everyone when being announced was given full names ( ie, George Walker Bush) whislt Obama was Barack *H* Obama, thus drawing attention away from his middle name?

I didn't pay attention to that. I laughed though at how antsy he was to say the oath and kept cutting off the man who was swearing him in.

[Tri-Nitro-Toluene]

At 1/20/09 12:06 PM, gumOnShoe wrote:

At 1/20/09 11:44 AM, Tri-Nitro-Toluene wrote: Anyone find it interesting how everyone when being announced was given full names ( ie, George Walker Bush) whislt Obama was Barack *H* Obama, thus drawing attention away from his middle name?

I didn't pay attention to that. I laughed though at how antsy he was to say the oath and kept cutting off the man who was swearing him in.

Yeah that was rather amusing. Though its understandable why he is nervous. Ten quid says that people use that to lamaast him for being a weak president and all that kind of shit.

[gumOnShoe]

At 1/20/09 12:17 PM, Tri-Nitro-Toluene wrote: Yeah that was rather amusing. Though its understandable why he is nervous. Ten quid says that people use that to lamaast him for being a weak president and all that kind of shit.

I'm not going to take up a bet I'll lose. ;)