Feminism

[Timisoara]

Ok lets go.

Do you believe in "equal rights for women"

Do you consider yourself a Feminist?

Why/Why Not?

Do you believe "Biology is destiny”?

Do you know who said that?

Answers pour moi.

Yes.
Yes.
I'll hold off for now as not to sway the masses' arguments.
No.
Yes.

thank-a-you.

[pyroarchy]

At 7/16/01 08:02 PM, Skewthat wrote: Ok lets go.

Do you believe in "equal rights for women"

sure

Do you consider yourself a Feminist?

nope

Why/Why Not?

equal rights has become alot more active than it was, but still there are a few jobs that denie women employement, but still people give raise to men rather than women alot, there still is some sexism today.

Do you believe "Biology is destiny”?

never heard of it

Do you know who said that?

nope

[reddeadrevolver]

At 7/16/01 08:02 PM, Skewthat wrote: Ok lets go.

Do you believe in "equal rights for women"

I believe in equal rights for everyone, regardless of age/gender/race.

Do you consider yourself a Feminist?

Not Really

Why/Why Not?

Because I'm not female

Do you believe "Biology is destiny”?

I don't know what that is

Do you know who said that?

No

[Pantomime-Horse]

At 7/16/01 08:02 PM, Skewthat wrote: Ok lets go.

Do you believe in "equal rights for women"

I idealise it but I don't believe it exists, not here anyway, It's just a reversal here women have the upper hand

Do you consider yourself a Feminist?

No

Why/Why Not?

I believe myself to be an Equalist.

Do you believe "Biology is destiny”?

It all depends, Obviousley you can't be an Asian actress if you are a white man.

[Freakapotimus]

At 7/16/01 08:02 PM, Skewthat wrote:

Do you believe in "equal rights for women"

Absolutely.

Do you consider yourself a Feminist?

Nope.

Why/Why Not?

The term "feminist" implies, at least to me, that you are not only working for female rights, but that females have more rights because they are female. Basic rights are just that, rights- they shouldn't apply to only males or only females.

Do you believe "Biology is destiny”?

Please explain this a bit more please? It's a tad ambiguous, although I do agree with Panto.

Do you know who said that?

No.

[Slizor]

Do you believe in "equal rights for women"

Yes

Do you consider yourself a Feminist?

No

Why/Why Not?

Because I think it is getting to the stage of being too feminist

Do you believe "Biology is destiny”?

Nope, don't understand it either

Do you know who said that?

Hitler?

[Slizor]

Do you believe in "equal rights for women"

yes

Do you consider yourself a Feminist?

no

Why/Why Not?

I belive it is a the stage where it is almost too feminist

Do you believe "Biology is destiny”?

no, don't understand it either

Do you know who said that?

Hitler?

[Timisoara]

Interesting.

This adds weight to my theory that while most people have a positive view of equal rights for woman, most wouldn't call themselves feminist, not even our very Commie friend slizor.

I have pinpointed 3 reasons why people who are for equal rights don't call themselves feminists.

1. men don't think men can be feminist. Common reason amonst leftist men, I myself call myself a feminist and the women fems don't seem to mind.

2. Woman think feminism is equated with super radical activities and werid lesbians, or see feminism as an aged and dying belief.

3. The Maher Theroy: The belief that feminists want dominence over men, not equal rights. Frankly I don't see where this comes from, possibly from the beleif that the word feminism means a domince of the female gender over the male.

Now I think that if you support equal rights for women you shouldn't be afraid to call yourself a feminist.

Merriam Webster seems to agree.

Main Entry: fem·i·nism
Date: 1895!
1 : the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes
2 : organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests

emphasis added of course.

P.S Other German, Freud said that, in regards to woman as inferior.

[Low-Budget-Superhero]

At 7/16/01 08:02 PM, Skewthat wrote: Ok lets go.

Yeah!

Do you believe in "equal rights for women"

Yes I do.

Do you consider yourself a Feminist?

No

Why/Why Not?

'cuz I'm a dude.

Do you believe "Biology is destiny”?

I don't suppose... further explain, please...

Do you know who said that?

No, not really...

thank-a-you.

Your-a-welcome!

[wdfcverfgtghm]

At 7/16/01 08:02 PM, Skewthat wrote: Ok lets go.

Do you believe in "equal rights for women"

No. I think women should all become attoneys and all men should be butlers. All women should go to a courtroom everyday and say things that make little sense and waddle around like penguins. Men should keep care of the house and opens doors etc.

Do you consider yourself a Feminist?

No.

Why/Why Not?

Becuase I think Mr. Belvadere is cool, and I wanna be just like him.

Do you believe "Biology is destiny”?

If you mean DNA strand kinda of thing, Gay DNA = gay person then no, I think destiny = current enviroment + personality. Personality = past enviroment + morale belifes.

Do you know who said that?

Mr. Belvadere?

Answers pour moi.

Non Mon, frere' Pour monsouir Belvadere.

[Pantomime-Horse]

3. The Maher Theroy: The belief that feminists want dominence over men, not equal rights. Frankly I don't see where this comes from,

In the case of Australian law & Workplace it's not jusr what they want but it's actually what they have got.

[Freakapotimus]

At 7/17/01 06:08 PM, Skewthat wrote:

2. Woman think feminism is equated with super radical activities and werid lesbians, or see feminism as an aged and dying belief.

Hey! Being bisexual, I've hung around with a lesbians, and not all lesbians are like that. I'm not saying that *you* said they were, but it is common belief that lesbians are "femi-nazis"...

Now I think that if you support equal rights for women you shouldn't be afraid to call yourself a feminist.

I've known men who considered themselves feminists.

Merriam Webster seems to agree.

Yes, but no matter what the definition reads, the word still has its roots in "feminine", and most people are going to see it that way.

[Pantomime-Horse]

At 7/18/01 10:23 AM, Freakapotimus wrote:

At 7/17/01 06:08 PM, Skewthat wrote:

2. Woman think feminism is equated with super radical activities and werid lesbians, or see feminism as an aged and dying belief.

Hey! Being bisexual, I've hung around with a lesbians, and not all lesbians are like that. I'm not saying that *you* said they were, but it is common belief that lesbians are "femi-nazis"...

I've encountered more Hetero Femi-nazis, I've seen ultra girly lesbians & ultra manly one, the ultra manly ones tend to identify with men & can often get themselves accepted as just another man.

[Timisoara]

At 7/18/01 10:23 AM, Freakapotimus wrote:

Hey! Being bisexual, I've hung around with a lesbians, and not all lesbians are like that. I'm not saying that *you* said they were, but it is common belief that lesbians are "femi-nazis"...

i know I know I'm saying these are some Myths associated with feminism.

Meh. I must remember to make writing more clear and consise. :)

[Slizor]

Main Entry: fem·i·nism
Date: 1895!
1 : the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes
2 : organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests

Sure, it's fine to call yourself a feminist if you belive in number 1, but just look at number 2, it says "interests" which can mean anything!. Ok now I've said that I would like to re-phrase what I said earlier, I think that at the moment, the whole issue of sex(either of them) is way too P.C. and utterly insane

[Freakapotimus]

At 7/18/01 06:53 PM, Slizor wrote: the whole issue of sex(either of them) is way too P.C. and utterly insane

Amen to that!

Some people think that because I am female, that I should be standing up for women's rights, and being feminist, blah blah blah. Well, p00px0rz! Everything is getting WAY too PC lately...

[IamJacksalias]

Here is my take on the whole Femisim thing and to why certain people see things certain ways. I consider myself a Humanist. Equal rights for people. When women believe that standards should lowered just for them I draw the line. For instance becoming a firefighter, there are standrads with having to be able to lift x amount of weight. If a man can't do it; he doesn't make the cut. He can't lift the weight and will be endangering people by being on the crew. I believe that same standard should apply to women. If they can't lift the same amount of weight as was given to the man, they are held to the same rules and are cut. It's when women want special rights, almost affirmative action-like, that I say hell no! I see nothing wrong with men and women having equal rights, but can you people give some examples of where women and men don't have equal rights in the US? I will be interested in seeing what the responces are.
One last note of the whole issue, I'm not saying all feminists want special treatment for women. But some of the crazy, super wacko, die hard feminists give that impression to people by saying they want special treatment for women and so on.

[TheGiantPeach]

At 7/24/01 06:26 PM, IamJacksalias wrote: Here is my take on the whole Femisim thing and to why certain people see things certain ways. I consider myself a Humanist. Equal rights for people. When women believe that standards should lowered just for them I draw the line. For instance becoming a firefighter, there are standrads with having to be able to lift x amount of weight. If a man can't do it; he doesn't make the cut. He can't lift the weight and will be endangering people by being on the crew. I believe that same standard should apply to women. If they can't lift the same amount of weight as was given to the man, they are held to the same rules and are cut. It's when women want special rights, almost affirmative action-like, that I say hell no! I see nothing wrong with men and women having equal rights, but can you people give some examples of where women and men don't have equal rights in the US? I will be interested in seeing what the responces are.
One last note of the whole issue, I'm not saying all feminists want special treatment for women. But some of the crazy, super wacko, die hard feminists give that impression to people by saying they want special treatment for women and so on.

I totall agree with this guy.

On to the questions.

1. Yes.

2. No.

3. ummmm......maybe cuz im a dude.

4. no.

5. nope.

[Anachronist]

<----- Feminist

[Timisoara]

At 7/27/01 02:55 PM, Anachronist wrote: <----- Feminist

Finally someone gets the point; and a guy at that!

[LaserBeamBandit]

At 7/16/01 08:02 PM, Skewthat wrote: Ok lets go.

Do you believe in "equal rights for women"
No, the male sex is the superior sex and has evolved to be leaders and women followers, that's how its always been until this corrupst century where women has all the power in marriage, children, etc

Do you consider yourself a Feminist?
No.
Why/Why Not?
Because I am against women having equal rights (and more) then men.
Do you believe "Biology is destiny”?
I believe that is influences you in your daily activites
Do you know who said that?

Yes

[Astro-Princess]

Do you believe in "equal rights for women"

Yes.

Do you consider yourself a Feminist?

Yes.

Why/Why Not?

It isn't simply because I am female. (Although that is part of it, I'll admit.) It is because I believe being feminist is also pro-humanity. If we can't treat women with equal respect and social weight as men, then we are destroying dignity for human life in general, for all people... and what does that say about our species? It sometimes makes me ashamed to be a human being when I hear and see the way some humans treat each other. Being a feminist to me is the same as treating every person and living being with respect.

Do you believe "Biology is destiny”?

It can be. But it doesn't always have to be. A person might be destined to die of a disease from birth. But it depends on what they do that allows them to live longer than science might predict. We control our own destiny to a sizeable degree.

Do you know who said that?

I actually have no idea.

[Slizor]

I actually hate affirmative action, well when it become "positive discriminatio." I don't mind when it is to equal everyone at the present, but I don't like it trying to compensate the past, that isn't equality.

[ThunderBolt2001]

At 7/16/01 08:02 PM, Skewthat wrote: Ok lets go.

Do you believe in "equal rights for women"

No, I think that women have enough rights.

Do you consider yourself a Feminist?

No

Why/Why Not?

I think that feminists don't believe in equal rights. I think that feminists veiw women as better then men.

Do you believe "Biology is destiny”?

Nope

Do you know who said that?

Adolf Hitler?

(questions are in plain text, answers are in bold, just incase you didn't notice)

[shorbe]

By definition, feminism can't be about equal rights. If it were, it would be called equalism or egalitarianism or something of the sort.

It's the same thing with how at my university, there is a womem's room (or womyn or whatever the fuck they're calling themselves these days), yet these people are opposed to any form of male only clubs.

Personally, I don't believe in equality or a level playing field. People prove themselves. If they're good, then they're good. If they're not, then they're not. People are not all equal.

Note, that is not saying that men are better than women, but merely that there are men who are better than women, and conversely, women who are better than men, in most fields of endeavour.

If people truly wanted fairness, this is what they'd push, but they don't.

Once again, it just highlights the stupidity and hypocrisy of the human race.

shorbe

[Pantomime-Horse]

At 8/11/01 05:58 AM, shorbe wrote: By definition, feminism can't be about equal rights. If it were, it would be called equalism or egalitarianism or something of the sort.

Very True, The word Feminism bluntly suggests Female domination, Imagine the uproar if someone were to coin the word "Andronism", they'd be immediatley accused of all sorts of evils.

[Freakapotimus]

At 8/11/01 06:24 AM, Pantomime_Horse wrote:

At 8/11/01 05:58 AM, shorbe wrote: By definition, feminism can't be about equal rights. If it were, it would be called equalism or egalitarianism or something of the sort.

Very True, The word Feminism bluntly suggests Female domination, Imagine the uproar if someone were to coin the word "Andronism", they'd be immediatley accused of all sorts of evils.

This is why I do not consider myseld feminist, which really used to irk some people. Especially some of the girls I used to be interested in. And THAT used to bug the hell out of me.

Anyway... another thing that pisses me off is seeing the following words at the bottom of a job advertisement or application: "We are an equal oppurtunity, affirmative action employer."