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this isn't me being high and mighty, this is about framing a good argument by engaging your sense of empathy

At 1/18/09 04:20 PM, pHuXxXB0xX wrote: i meant, that eating meat doesn't = evil. for example, my granpappy lives on a small cottage/farm thing in ukraine. he's got like 3 pigs, two horses, and a bunch of rabbots and chickens. he's not really DESTROYING the fucking planet, get it?

See by saying this, you're admitting that your grandpa's eating habits are less EVIL than yours. Because you recognise the EVIL and SUFFERING you bring forth upon the world. You wouldn't have said this unless you recognised that what you're doing is bad and there's a better way of doing it.

At 1/18/09 04:20 PM, pHuXxXB0xX wrote: i meant, that eating meat doesn't = evil.

No shit? I mean, I eat meat. I'm trying to cut back on that a bit, though.

for example, my granpappy lives on a small cottage/farm thing in ukraine. he's got like 3 pigs, two horses, and a bunch of rabbots and chickens. he's not really DESTROYING the fucking planet, get it?

No he's not. But not everyone can live that way, not if they also want to have the luxuries of modern life.

Also, you could/should stop with the ad hominem and pointless vulgarity, you're not going to be taken all that seriously. I'll let you in on a secret; all caps doesn't convince anyone in that your statement is true. The emount of capital leters is no way linked to the credibility of the statement. Seriously, this is true, I swear.

Meat is good and the animals have it coming.

At 1/18/09 04:20 PM, X0 wrote: Umm other animals eat other animals so why shouldn't we?

I don't understand how people such as yourself are stupid enough to think that the only possible logic behind veg*anism is thinking eating animals is wrong. Look at the fucking conditions animals, particularly poultry and pigs, are kept in - shoved in crates, effectively raped against either one's consent, beaten, encaged etc.

I might aswell not bother, seems like only the arguments of Earfetish and JohhnyWang are the only ones anybody is willing to consider.

Oh and another question. If everyone became a vegetarian where would all the livestock go.

At 1/18/09 04:20 PM, X0 wrote: Umm other animals eat other animals so why shouldn't we?

animals eating meat is capable of carrying on without human intervention.

humans eating meat is not capable of being sustained without factory farming, and what did cavemen eat??

and dont say mammoths :) theyre grossly ineffective for the ratio for

energy spent : energy gained

At 1/18/09 04:31 PM, GarvielLoken wrote: Oh and another question. If everyone became a vegetarian where would all the livestock go.

theres no need for the gross amount of cattle if there is no demand for them, therefore once these animals die naturally or are eaten then there would be no need for them

I'm just waiting for Shreddy to break down and cry again, like he did in my sig.

It'll be awesome.

At 1/18/09 04:50 PM, Fyndir wrote: I'm just waiting for Shreddy to break down and cry again, like he did in my sig.

It'll be awesome.

it'll be awesome when you start acting your age

At 1/18/09 04:51 PM, Shreddy wrote: tit

Hurr hurr hurr, I rearranged some of your typing so that it made a rude word.

At 1/18/09 04:52 PM, Fyndir wrote:

At 1/18/09 04:51 PM, Shreddy wrote: tit

Hurr hurr hurr, I rearranged some of your typing so that it made a rude word.

now i feel like a hypocryte for laughing!

gee thanks haggis chops

At 1/18/09 04:26 PM, Ejit wrote: I might aswell not bother, seems like only the arguments of Earfetish and JohhnyWang are the only ones anybody is willing to consider.

because you're a twat who thinks the end justifies the means.

the end never justified the means.

anything. name any end that would be justified by murderous vile means. world peace by the murder of all countries that don't like the USA? an end to world hunger by killing all the starving third-world people?

Hey think about this, any animal would eat us if they could. Thats why were the top of the food chain. We worked to be at the top, so respect your ancesters and eat that chicken or cow. Eat it up.

At 1/18/09 03:18 PM, Whirlguy wrote:

At 1/18/09 03:08 PM, Exora wrote: For every animal you don't eat, I'm gonna eat three.

That's probably one of the most immature things I've ever seen.

I know, I love it.

Vegetarians are on the same level as religious people to me. I don't care about their existence, I'd much prefer them not to exist, but it's everyone's right in life to make choices that I personally don't agree with. To say otherwise would be very egocentrical, and yet these people seem to make it their personal mission to make everyone the same as them.

What? I'm not advocating my omnivorous habits on you, why the FUCK would you advocate them on me? Neither am I preaching the gospel of "There's no god and you should realise it" because I know a lot of people find comfort in religion. These people also, seem to see it as their duty to make me realise my sinful life and to repent and worship a god I don't believe in, will never believe in, and simply CAN'T believe in.

Now I'm not trying to start a religious flamewar, but the subject was similar in my eyes.

Also, I will start a fucking jihad on your ass if you try to convert me. Whether it be vegetarianism, christianity, or anything. I will fucking drill your arguments into the ground just as long until you're ripping apart a cow with your bare teeth while burning your family bible.

Amen.

At 1/18/09 04:56 PM, pHuXxXB0xX wrote: because you're a twat who thinks the end justifies the means.

the end never justified the means.

anything. name any end that would be justified by murderous vile means. world peace by the murder of all countries that don't like the USA? an end to world hunger by killing all the starving third-world people?

You know, just because you've spent 40 minutes waiting to say that to me, I'm going to completely ignore it.

I won't ever give up meat, and I don't want some filthy vegetarian trying to change me.

At 1/18/09 05:01 PM, BonSkaffa wrote:

hi. i don't know where you came from, but i love you. no homo.

well, if you want it to be gay it can, i guess.

At 1/18/09 05:01 PM, BonSkaffa wrote:

Tip: nobody is trying to convert you, we're defending our beliefs against people who started and/or are continuing to post in a thread to challenge them.

So the cow just becomes extinct?

At 1/18/09 05:06 PM, Ejit wrote: Tip: nobody is trying to convert you,

I'm pretty sure the first post was trying to do so.

At 1/18/09 05:06 PM, Ejit wrote: Tip: nobody is trying to convert you, we're defending our beliefs against people who started and/or are continuing to post in a thread to challenge them.

re-read OP.

you know, if you're not too busy ignoring what i said. to the point that you quote it in a reply.

while i cry in a corner because some egotistic asshole on the internet thinks i will be offended depending on whether he does or doesn't read my post.

At 1/18/09 05:03 PM, pHuXxXB0xX wrote:

At 1/18/09 05:01 PM, BonSkaffa wrote:

hi. i don't know where you came from, but i love you. no homo.

well, if you want it to be gay it can, i guess.

It surprises me how "any-occasion" these forums' smileys are.

At 1/18/09 05:06 PM, Ejit wrote:

At 1/18/09 05:01 PM, BonSkaffa wrote:

Tip: nobody is trying to convert you,

I always see heated discussion as two parties trying to convince each other of their own beliefs, which is nearly the same as conversion, except with the creepiness factor dumbed down a lot, hah.

At 1/18/09 05:09 PM, pHuXxXB0xX wrote: OP.

you know, if you're not too busy ignoring what i said. to the point that you quote it in a reply.

Oh yeah because another thread wasn't made that you posted in that did challenge our beliefs HENCE THE 'AND/OR'.

The issue with vegetarianism is that you usually have to resort to eating processed food, like boca burgers and tofurkey. which in and of itself is unhealthy and gross tasting.
Personally I'm pro meat because I don't see why it's okay to slaughter innocent vegetables and fruits, but not pigs and ducks.

At 1/18/09 05:11 PM, Ejit wrote: Oh yeah because another thread wasn't made that you posted in that did challenge our beliefs HENCE THE 'AND/OR'.

are you stupid?

"hey are you vegetarian?"
"yeah"
"well, look at this really good reason to become one!"
"but.. i AM a vegetarian"

this story continues as so:

"oh, i'm sorry. the lack of meat in my diet disoriented me. what i meant to say was, wanna have a meat-free circle-jerk then?"
"oh, in that case, okay :D"

stupid asshole. if OP wasn't done to convert non-vegetarians, then it was done to gloat at how great vegetarians are, which still makes you a fuckbag.

Eat, eat, eat till youre pink in the center.
Preach, preach till your lips are the butter.

At 1/18/09 05:15 PM, pHuXxXB0xX wrote:

At 1/18/09 05:11 PM, Ejit wrote: Oh yeah because another thread wasn't made that you posted in that did challenge our beliefs HENCE THE 'AND/OR'.

are you stupid?

"hey are you vegetarian?"
"yeah"
"well, look at this really good reason to become one!"
"but.. i AM a vegetarian"

this story continues as so:

"oh, i'm sorry. the lack of meat in my diet disoriented me. what i meant to say was, wanna have a meat-free circle-jerk then?"
"oh, in that case, okay :D"

stupid asshole. if OP wasn't done to convert non-vegetarians, then it was done to gloat at how great vegetarians are, which still makes you a fuckbag.

Lol I just stated that I was partially referring to another thread, notice how the user with the more intellectual argument accepted that and moved on?

On a fairly tiresome tangent, I guarantee that I am more healthy than you in each and every way - as a vegan I am forced to actually have an understanding of dietary nutrition, and as you have proved that is something you do not have.

Oh well, I'm glad you've had a fun SUnday.

At 1/18/09 05:20 PM, Ejit wrote: Lol I just stated that I was partially referring to another thread, notice how the user with the more intellectual argument accepted that and moved on?

what other thread? are you delusional?

On a fairly tiresome tangent, I guarantee that I am more healthy than you in each and every way - as a vegan I am forced to actually have an understanding of dietary nutrition, and as you have proved that is something you do not have.

i'm sure you are. in a few years when your tofu burgers turn into tofu tumors, you can light a bag of shit on my doorstep and laugh at my stupidity.

Oh well, I'm glad you've had a fun SUnday.

i know! isn't it great? and i haven't even jerked off yet!

I'll just state this:
Vegetarians are destroying the world

Assholes...