Autistic girl, 8, handcuffed!!!

[yinyangman]

Not only has it outraged her parents, but also, myself (I'm autistic)!

There should be a law that bans handcuffing children who are autistic or any other neurological disorders.

[Neptunus]

At 1/14/09 12:08 PM, yinyangman wrote: Not only has it outraged her parents, but also, myself (I'm autistic)!

There should be a law that bans handcuffing children who are autistic or any other neurological disorders.

How about a link to a corresponding article?

[yinyangman]

At 1/14/09 12:15 PM, Neptunus wrote:

At 1/14/09 12:08 PM, yinyangman wrote: Not only has it outraged her parents, but also, myself (I'm autistic)!

There should be a law that bans handcuffing children who are autistic or any other neurological disorders.

How about a link to a corresponding article?

Want proof? Here's proof.

[Earfetish]

We had a guy in high school who had assburgers. I'm pretty sure he would have reacted in an uncontrollably violent manner if the police ever tried to arrest him.

He acted in an uncontrollably violent manner when you insulted Pokemon.

[Neptunus]

At 1/14/09 12:18 PM, yinyangman wrote: Want proof? Here's proof.

I was asking for information to base discussion on, but it seems you like acting indignant more than discussing.

On topic, though: Those teachers clearly don't know anything about handling autistic children. The situation escalated way out of hand, but calling it "assault on staff" seems like an exaggerated reaction. The whole story reeks of idiocy and poor working-standards at the school.

The police had no business there, in my opinion.

[yinyangman]

At 1/14/09 12:24 PM, simple-but-sandy wrote: She had a violent encounter with teachers. The Police had every right to handcuff her as she presented a threat to them and other children.

Though, you'd probably still be whingeing if they didn't handcuff her, she turned violent, and this situation ended with suspect being transferred to morgue.

It was their fault she became violent! They could have let her alone instead of trying to enforce the law. She was only threatening because of their short sighted stupidity.

[GarvielLoken]

They should not have tried to take her damn hoody. It is clear that i was something dear to her. I myself have aspergers and I have some objects that I am attached to.

[MrHero17]

Why would they get the police? I mean the girls 8, how hard is it to restrain an 8 year old yourself and take them to the principals office to calm down.

[hrb5711]

At 1/14/09 12:35 PM, yinyangman wrote: It was their fault she became violent! They could have let her alone instead of trying to enforce the law. She was only threatening because of their short sighted stupidity.

Actually I think it is her problem that caused her to become violent. This really comes down to how far we have to bend the rules for people with problems. Look I think it sucks she has this illness, but it is not a golden ticket for her to do whatever she wants.

While I may not agree with the teachers stopping her, in my old highschool the teachers couldn't stop us from walking out by any means. The police did the right thing. She was a danger to herself and people around her so they took her into custody. This was also the schools plan for such an event. Everyone followed the rules set down and did the right thing by the book. If her mom was so concerned about her child why didn't she check the schools rules about events like this??

[dySWN]

At 1/14/09 12:35 PM, yinyangman wrote: They could have let her alone instead of trying to enforce the law.

But... police are paid to enforce the law, not to be sensitive.

[yinyangman]

At 1/14/09 04:20 PM, hrb5711 wrote:

At 1/14/09 12:35 PM, yinyangman wrote: It was their fault she became violent! They could have let her alone instead of trying to enforce the law. She was only threatening because of their short sighted stupidity.

Actually I think it is her problem that caused her to become violent. This really comes down to how far we have to bend the rules for people with problems. Look I think it sucks she has this illness, but it is not a golden ticket for her to do whatever she wants.

While I may not agree with the teachers stopping her, in my old highschool the teachers couldn't stop us from walking out by any means. The police did the right thing. She was a danger to herself and people around her so they took her into custody. This was also the schools plan for such an event. Everyone followed the rules set down and did the right thing by the book. If her mom was so concerned about her child why didn't she check the schools rules about events like this??

Think what you like, but for me, the problem started when the teachers touched the little girl like unneccesarily. Plus, she didn't know what she was doing or what the police charged her with. It was 1000% the teachers' fault! So there.

[Proteas]

At 1/14/09 12:59 PM, MrHero17 wrote: I mean the girls 8, how hard is it to restrain an 8 year old yourself and take them to the principals office to calm down.

They had to pin her arms and legs to the ground with enough force to leave bruises. That ought to speak volumes on how violent the girl was being.

At 1/14/09 04:20 PM, hrb5711 wrote: If her mom was so concerned about her child why didn't she check the schools rules about events like this??

I'll go for one better; if her daughter is THAT special, what is she doing in a public school setting to begin with?

[Tancrisism]

Wow, their causes for doing it are definitely far more ridiculous than the "almost bruised... SEVERE MENTAL STRESS" bit. But this is just a terrible story overall.

[AntiangelicAngel]

Children who create a disturbance and who pose an immediate threat to themselves or those around them in a public setting should be handcuffed. The child's history of developmental disorder should not be a factor in this situation. The police seemed to have acted in an appropriate manner.

[Tancrisism]

At 1/14/09 06:27 PM, AntiangelicAngel wrote: Children who create a disturbance and who pose an immediate threat to themselves or those around them in a public setting should be handcuffed. The child's history of developmental disorder should not be a factor in this situation. The police seemed to have acted in an appropriate manner.

An autistic child throwing a tantrum because she wants to wear a cow suit is an appropriate time to be handcuffed?

[mrhardrock]

yea i am ass yell at me
but i dont care what your mental state or family history is or anything
if she is going crazy and is as violent as they say she is i would handcuff her
who gives a shit if she is yelling mommy i dont wanna go
wat if some 40 year old was doing that it wouldnt be the same in any manner
there is some 68 year old lady that was charged with 4 cases of armed robbery up where i live
i hope she gets thrown in jail and her age doesnt have anything to do with the sentance
because it shouldnt
if we start bending the rules for some 8 year old girl
i could just say i have a rough time with my mommy and daddy and i should be let off shouldnt i

[speakerlight]

poor girl.it's a shame what thw world is coming to.

[AntiangelicAngel]

At 1/14/09 06:29 PM, Tancrisism wrote: An autistic child throwing a tantrum because she wants to wear a cow suit is an appropriate time to be handcuffed?

If it's a violent tantrum, yes.

[Prinzy2]

Towry, who lives in Ponderay, said Evelyn told her that she had been refused entry into a school Christmas party that had been delayed until after the holidays because of a string of snow days, because she refused to take off her beloved "cow costume" -- a hoodie with cow ears and a tail.

What a stupid reason to put her into a separate classroom, she's eight years old and this isn't some big formal party. Let her keep her coat on.

Ultimately it is the girl's own fault, even if her behavior is out of her control.

[yinyangman]

At 1/14/09 06:38 PM, SevenSeize wrote:

At 1/14/09 12:08 PM, yinyangman wrote: There should be a law that bans handcuffing children who are autistic or any other neurological disorders.

I disagree. I teach students with severe and profound behavior, mental, and neurological disorders. Last week one of them tried to run, after punching a pregnant teacher and kicking a few students. I had to restrain her in order to prevent her from leaving school grounds. During this I sprained my wrist. It took the resource officer and EBD teacher to hold her down and get her to a calmer state of mind. She was biting, kicking, screaming, etc.

If the actions are being made in the best interest of said student or other students, I see nothing wrong with it.

So you claim? I am autistic myself and I once had a mean teacher who was being mean to other students with special needs. No matter what she's done to me, I didn't wanna unleash my anger towards her because I would be in handcuffs myself. I see you didn't call police or have this student handcuffed and that was good.

My mother told me it is wrong under any circumstance to handcuff a child!

[Proteas]

At 1/14/09 07:32 PM, yinyangman wrote: My mother told me it is wrong under any circumstance to handcuff a child!

Unfortunately, your mother didn't raise this child in particular.

[AntiangelicAngel]

At 1/14/09 07:32 PM, yinyangman wrote:

My mother told me it is wrong under any circumstance to handcuff a child!

Are you just trolling now? That's just inviting people to say things like "My mother told me that Autistics are God's little fuck-ups" or "My mother told me that autistic children are God's way of punishing their parents," like Timmy from South Park's parents said about his handicap.

That's a horrible thing to try and bring up in debate. If a child shoots someone, handcuff them. If they're a danger, handcuff them. What if I said "My mother told me it is wrong under any circumstance to handcuff a murderer"? Just because my mother is an idiot doesn't give me a valid argument.

This child was hitting people. Enough said.

[yinyangman]

At 1/14/09 07:30 PM, Prinzy2 wrote: Towry, who lives in Ponderay, said Evelyn told her that she had been refused entry into a school Christmas party that had been delayed until after the holidays because of a string of snow days, because she refused to take off her beloved "cow costume" -- a hoodie with cow ears and a tail.

What a stupid reason to put her into a separate classroom, she's eight years old and this isn't some big formal party. Let her keep her coat on.

Ultimately it is the girl's own fault, even if her behavior is out of her control.

I don't wanna troll in this thread (forgive me if I'm double posting) so I need to explain this more clearly.

The school wouldn't let her in a room where a Christmas party is held if shoe didn't take off her cow sweatshirt. Then, when she tried to leave, the officials forced her to go to a separate classroom, where she would be lonely (IMO, loneliness should not be condoned for certain people) by grabbing her physically! Had they not done that to her, she wouldn't get herself in trouble like that. In fact, they could have coaxed her back in instead of physically harming her!

IMO here, that stupid teacher could have let her in the room in the FIRST PLACE!

Remember: never physically harass an autistic child! EVER!!

See? It all adds up! That little girl has done nothing wrong! Plus, I have thoroughly read the article regarding her.

Can you beat that? ^

[Gunter45]

Seriously? In an age of tasers and bean bag bullets and tear gas, you're giving the police flak about handcuffs?

If you've ever been in handcuffs, you'd know that, unless they're way too tight, which I'm guessing isn't the case or she'd have cuts on her wrists (and seeing as how "almost bruising" made the top of the list of injuries), they're kind of uncomfortable, at their worst. Know what else is uncomfortable? A cop assigned to holding the kid down by force. That's basically the other alternative. My assumption is that this is somebody's precious little angel and everyone who looks at them funny needs to pay for damages.

Seriously, "almost bruised?" Give me a fucking break. This news story is softer than that parent's head.

[Proteas]

At 1/14/09 07:38 PM, AntiangelicAngel wrote: Are you just trolling now?

No, I was making a point. This kid's mother isn't trying to help the kid assimilate into society despite their problem the way his mother did for him, she's condoning the problem and putting dealing with the issue off on the rest of us. And now she's pissed and is going to sue the school disctrict because she wasn't a strong enough mother to raise her own child right to begin with. FUCK THAT. If she doesn't want to step up and take care of her own child then she needs to step aside and let society deal with the little bastard.

[Luxury-Yacht]

"She started screaming 'Mommy, I don't want to go! What are batteries? What are batteries?'"

Okay, now THAT is funny.

[yinyangman]

Proteas

I think now you're the troller!

[Proteas]

At 1/14/09 08:15 PM, yinyangman wrote: Proteas

I think now you're the troller!

I've dealt with kids with Asperger's, and I'm about to let the cat out of the bag; they're considered high-functioning autistic, which in reality means they're only SLIGHTLY autistic at best. They can be dealt with, they can be reasoned with, they know what's going on, they're not off in space with no connection to the outside world. Treating this kid like she's a special needs case when she's in the general school population is bullshit, if the parents thought that highly of her condition then she shouldn't have been there to begin with.

[Proteas]

I mean, seriously, is the idea that parents should actually take responsibility for their children THAT NOVEL of a concept these days?

[yinyangman]

At 1/14/09 08:19 PM, Proteas wrote:
I've dealt with kids with Asperger's, and I'm about to let the cat out of the bag; they're considered high-functioning autistic, which in reality means they're only SLIGHTLY autistic at best.

Okay.... so that was it.

Still, I thought she deserved better treatment.