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At 1/28/09 10:02 PM, TheRadicalOne wrote: Seriously.

Indeed!

At 1/28/09 10:23 PM, Brick-top wrote: How could anyone not define his punishment as bad?

By qualifying God.

At 1/28/09 10:24 PM, thedo12 wrote: the very word punisment implies that its bad, if it wasnt then it would be punishment.

If I had a nickel for every time someone took a word from one context, shoved it into another, and kept on like nothing happened...

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At 1/28/09 07:40 PM, Bacchanalian wrote:

At 1/28/09 02:39 PM, Sajberhippien wrote:

At 1/28/09 01:34 AM, Bacchanalian wrote:

I am agnostic, and don't favor either side of Atheism or another religion

You could be an agnostic theist?

Wouldn't that favor one side of the atheist-theist spectrum?

Oh, sorry. I totally misread your post, thought you said one cannot be agnostic without being atheistic.
But sure, you can't be anything "in between" atheism or theism. Either you have belief in a god, or you don't.

At 1/28/09 02:44 PM, Sajberhippien wrote: Well, if God unconditionally loves people,

Why stop at people? If it's unconditional, God should love everything! You're clearly not trying hard enough.

Sure. But I thought the christian god mainly loved all people. Hate the sin, love the sinner and so on.

faith in him wouldn't be a requirement.

So you wouldn't want the people you love to have faith in you?

It's one thing to want them to have faith in me, but if they have to have faith in me for me to love them, then it's not unconditional love, since it is very conditional.

Thus, atheists and theists would be equally loved if such a god existed.

They are! Holy crap!

So then why use that as an argument?

I think that's a good thing.

That's great for you. It's a con for quite alot of people who believe in an afterlife.

Well, then it's just a matter of personal taste. Except for the little problem with religious fanatics. Without faith in an afterlife, it's much harder to convince people to sacrifice their life for whatever stupid thing they want. I'd say that nearly all religious violence has belief in the afterlife as the central tenet. I'd also say that in most wars, at least one side uses propaganda like "If you die fighting this war, you will go to heaven".

Why? You can have atheistic community too, just look at small collectivistic societal structures.

Blogs and forums make everone's dreams come true!

Well, I was meaning small IRL communities. Also, we have quite a lot more community and focus on the collective (mottoes like "solidarity" and "social justice" are actually used in election campaigns without anyone calling the other part a commie. Well, mostly.) here in Sweden than the US does, despite us being one of the least religious countries in the world.

Absolute morality is stupid. Society changes, and so does morality.

Absolute morality changes too. Oh shi-

Then it's not absolute. If the morality does change, it's not absolute morality, per definition. And this shows in the real world too; it takes a LOT of more time before the religious community adapts the morality changes that occurs in the secular groups, and when it does, it has to be in contradiction to God. Because God only told you the rules two thousand years ago, and hasn't come down to change it afterwards.
Absolute morality takes no heed to circumstances at all. It doesn't matter where, when, or whom one "sins" towards, it's always wrong. If there's an absolute morality about lying being wrong, lying to a murderer that wants to find your family is wrong. If there's absolute morality stealing is wrong, stealing the gun from the hand of a school spreer is wrong.

Absolute morality is about the most stupid thing ever.

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Aight leme ask a question to atheists here.

ok here we go, atheists, you deny god right? aight, you believe there is no evidence for him and you also believe there is no evidence against him right? So you're going off of the blind guess that he doesn;t exist huh?

Ah well heres the real questions.

Atheists, what do you want in life?
What are you doing with your life?
How would you rate your life? 1-10, 10 being best
Do you believe in an afterlife?
Did you answer that last question too quickly by associating an afterlife with God?
Where did atoms come from?
What is your reason for living?
What do you think the purpose of life if other than eating reproducing and dieing?

Now for some asshole questions.

Are you fat?
Are you ugly?
Do you have STDs?
Are you a whore?
Do you do drugs?
Do you drink more than once per month?/are you an alcoholic?
Do you cut yourself?
Are you bipolar?

Now heres a mind twister, if you believe you came from either nothing, rocks n primordial soup, a monkey or anything other than God, how can you trust your own thoughts n beliefs seeing as you can't determine if your brain is working properly or not?

Another that is itching me, if you believe there is no God and that your life is worthless, why pound your beliefs into people as if it mattered, another thing, why do you bother getting up in the morning, why bother brushing your teeth, why bother breathing? You guys in your own belief are mindless animals.

The purpose of this was to get people thinking, I'm not going to bother trying to prove God to blind people anymore, death is the one thing you people fear most n I don't, I'll have an afterlife and you wont.

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Someone deleted a reply that was just before mine, i'll respond to it anyway.

What about self punishment?
People who punish themselves for doing something they know is wrong, or maybe even deeper as going insane like someone who kills people alot n eventually kills themselves, could there be a design in our DNA that makes us do that, like a defense mechanism.

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At 1/29/09 05:44 AM, Shaggytheclown17 wrote: Atheists, what do you want in life?

Haven't really decided yet, but a decent job would be a good thing to start with. Might start a family some time in the distant future, but I'm not sure about that yet.

What are you doing with your life?

Studying.

How would you rate your life? 1-10, 10 being best

Probably 6 or 7.

Do you believe in an afterlife?

No.

Did you answer that last question too quickly by associating an afterlife with God?

No.

Where did atoms come from?

Atoms are born in a process called nucleosynthesis. But I'm not an expert in nuclear physics, so I'm not really qualified to elaborate. Either way, it doesn't matter, because even if we don't know the explanation, it's not OK to make up one.

Now, here's an even harder question: where did God come from? MUCH harder to answer than where atoms came from.

What is your reason for living?

I have an innate self-preserving instinct that tells me to stay alive. But also because being alive is fun.

What do you think the purpose of life if other than eating reproducing and dieing?

Having experiences and emotions. Enjoying the finite time you have.

Are you fat?

No.

Are you ugly?

Well, I have acne.

Do you have STDs?

No.

Are you a whore?

No.

Do you do drugs?

No.

Do you drink more than once per month?/are you an alcoholic?

I don't drink at all.

Do you cut yourself?

No.

Are you bipolar?

Not that I know of.

how can you trust your own thoughts n beliefs seeing as you can't determine if your brain is working properly or not?

Consistency in the nature, in the universe and in my own observations is a good hint that my brain builds an accurate, useful model of the world around me. If my brain was going haywire, the world I would observe would be far more capricious and illogical.

Another that is itching me, if you believe there is no God and that your life is worthless, why pound your beliefs into people as if it mattered

Religion provides a tool for people to base their morals on something that doesn't exist and allows them to give this entity unquestionable authority. Atheists like myself are against religion, because this kind of narrow, unjustified view on morality is a great threat to everyone's freedom.

another thing, why do you bother getting up in the morning, why bother brushing your teeth, why bother breathing?

I enjoy having clean, healthy teeth, and I enjoy breathing. Again, being alive is fun, and generally a positive experience.

death is the one thing you people fear most n I don't, I'll have an afterlife and you wont.

I don't fear death. I'm perfectly in terms with the fact that I will some day disappear from existence. I don't particularly like it, but there's nothing I can do about it. I think it's you who fears death, because you're the one inventing delusional fantasies to comfort yourself.

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At 1/29/09 05:44 AM, Shaggytheclown17 wrote: Aight leme ask a question to atheists here.

sure

ok here we go, atheists, you deny god right? aight, you believe there is no evidence for him and you also believe there is no evidence against him right? So you're going off of the blind guess that he doesn;t exist huh?

Kinda like how I'm blindly guessing goblins and orcs don't exist. I just feel that non-existence is more likely than existence when there is neither anything for or against. Don't you agree when it comes to all things but God? Or do you believe in goblins and orcs?

Ah well heres the real questions.

Atheists, what do you want in life?

I'm actually not quite sure yet. I'm kinda at the stage where I'm looking at the possibilities.

What are you doing with your life?

Right now? Education at school, and working on my programming abilities on the spare time.

How would you rate your life? 1-10, 10 being best

7 or 8 I think.

Do you believe in an afterlife?

Nope

Did you answer that last question too quickly by associating an afterlife with God?

Nope, I thought a great deal about the afterlife, independent on God.

Where did atoms come from?

I have no idea

What is your reason for living?

On an abstract level? The search for truth.

What do you think the purpose of life if other than eating reproducing and dieing?

The "purpose of life", as in the reason life exists, is exactly that reproducing and surviving. Just like how the purpose of a button is to be pressed, the purpose of life is to survive.

However, I am not life in that sense. I'm a human person, and don't follow such macro-purposes simply because they exist. My life as an individual is separate from that.

Now for some asshole questions.

Are you fat?

Pretty average. Neither skinny nor fat.

Are you ugly?

I'm told I'm quite pretty :o (not in the masculine sense though)

Do you have STDs?

Nope

Are you a whore?

Nope

Do you do drugs?

Never tried any

Do you drink more than once per month?/are you an alcoholic?

I do drink, but it's really rare. Rarer than once per month, so no, I don't drink by your qualification nor am I an alcoholic.

Do you cut yourself?

Nope

Are you bipolar?

Nope

Now heres a mind twister, if you believe you came from either nothing, rocks n primordial soup, a monkey or anything other than God, how can you trust your own thoughts n beliefs seeing as you can't determine if your brain is working properly or not?

Because it's all I have. It's not like I have a better pair of eyes, a new brain, and some shiny ears, to replace those I have. And the same goes for all humans. To rely on our current flawed senses is in a way, very human.

Same goes for you actually. You don't have a direct link to God's brain. You have to rely on your eyes and your brain when you say, read the Bible. How do you know you aren't reading it all wrong due to flawed senses?

Another that is itching me, if you believe there is no God and that your life is worthless,

Who said life is worthless? That makes no more sense than saying that you think life is worthless because you don't believe in goblins and orcs.

why pound your beliefs into people as if it mattered, another thing, why do you bother getting up in the morning, why bother brushing your teeth, why bother breathing? You guys in your own belief are mindless animals.

Again, who said we are mindless?

The most basic problem you have with these debates Shaggy, is that you don't know too much about those you are arguing with, so you just imagine stuff instead. I'm pretty sure 99.9% of all atheists won't say that life is worthless or that they are mindless.

Your way of thinking about atheists is about as accurate as if I thought that Christians were all gay for Jesus.

The purpose of this was to get people thinking, I'm not going to bother trying to prove God to blind people anymore, death is the one thing you people fear most n I don't, I'll have an afterlife and you wont.

Actually, from my experience, it's usually the people who cling to the afterlife who are scared shitless of death.

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At 1/29/09 05:44 AM, Shaggytheclown17 wrote: Aight leme ask a question to atheists here.

sure

ok here we go, atheists, you deny god right? aight, you believe there is no evidence for him and you also believe there is no evidence against him right? So you're going off of the blind guess that he doesn;t exist huh?

ok

Ah well heres the real questions.

Atheists, what do you want in life?

most would say happyness but to me thas irrelevent.

I want to draw, I want to create , and if that gives me happyness then so be it.

What are you doing with your life?

right now, im looking for work and making some flash games :)

How would you rate your life? 1-10, 10 being best

honestly, I have it preety good, so im going with a 8-9

Do you believe in an afterlife?

no

Did you answer that last question too quickly by associating an afterlife with God?

no

Where did atoms come from?

i dont know

What is your reason for living?

to create

What do you think the purpose of life if other than eating reproducing and dieing?

whatever purpose you give it,

your purpose could be making others as happy as posible, or it could be eating as many snickers choclate bars as possible. you choose :)

Now for some asshole questions.

Are you fat?

no

Are you ugly?

no

Do you have STDs?

no

Are you a whore?

no

Do you do drugs?

if you count coffe as a drug then yes, otherwise no

Do you drink more than once per month?/are you an alcoholic?

i dont drink at all

Do you cut yourself?

lmao, no

Are you bipolar?

no,

Now heres a mind twister, if you believe you came from either nothing, rocks n primordial soup, a monkey or anything other than God, how can you trust your own thoughts n beliefs seeing as you can't determine if your brain is working properly or not?

for me the world is too consistent, if my brain wasnt working properly then I should see some retared shit like monkey-dragons or something.

Another that is itching me, if you believe there is no God and that your life is worthless, why pound your beliefs into people as if it mattered, another thing, why do you bother getting up in the morning, why bother brushing your teeth, why bother breathing? You guys in your own belief are mindless animals.

I dont belive my life is worthless, nor is any mans life worthless .

as I said before I give my life purpose, and that purpose isnt any more undermined becuse I gave it too my life.

The purpose of this was to get people thinking, I'm not going to bother trying to prove God to blind people anymore, death is the one thing you people fear most n I don't, I'll have an afterlife and you wont.

I dont fear death at all, It wont cuase me any pain any anguish any toture. its simply the end of my biological function.

as a matter of fact I think your the one who fears death , I think thats why your clinging to your belifes . I went throught this phase myself, I would try to cling to god and an afterlife cuase I feard my own morality.so I cant really blame you for doing the same, anyways im glad you asked these questions its a sign your growing as a person.

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At 1/29/09 02:46 AM, Sajberhippien wrote: Oh, sorry. I totally misread your post, thought you said one cannot be agnostic without being atheistic.

I did. Sorry. I jumped the gun and assumed the more common bias.

Sure. But I thought the christian god mainly loved all people. Hate the sin, love the sinner and so on.

I know. I just dislike the abstraction of the word. As you said yourself: hate the sin, love the sinner. That's about as unconditional as you can get.

It's one thing to want them to have faith in me, but if they have to have faith in me for me to love them, then it's not unconditional love, since it is very conditional.

They don't have to have faith in you for you to love them.

So then why use that as an argument?

You have to consider perspective as well as belief when comparing two different belief sets.

An atheist doesn't believe in God. Therefore, the atheist does not believe that God loves him. A theist believes in God, and therefore believes God loves him. To the theist, the thought of not having a loving God, or any God, is a detriment.

Well, then it's just a matter of personal taste.

The cons I was presenting were not meant to be objective, because I was replying to a con that was clearly not objective - something considered a con because it was unpleasant - being frowned upon.

Except for the little problem with religious fanatics [...]

Agreed :)

Well, I was meaning small IRL communities.

I'm intrigued. What kind fo venues do you guys have over there?

Also, we have quite a lot more community and focus on the collective

You just focus on a different collective. Also, massive community (a collective) isn't really much in the way of community. It's depersonalizing.

Then it's not absolute.

I guess I shouldn't satire the side im currently defending :P But anyway I was being satirical. Yes. Absolute morality is not absolute. It just takes longer to change, and that sucks.

Absolute morality is about the most stupid thing ever.

It's still very appealing on a personal level. Absolutes in general are.

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At 1/29/09 06:12 AM, StephanosGnomon wrote: "Hell" is closer to the idea of a blacksmith's workshop than it is to the idea of a place whose ONLY function is that of torture where people may never ever return from. Iron is cold and rigid, but in a furnace it softens, can be banged into proper form, and may be made even MORE durable than it had been before. That being said, it's preferable to do the tempering yourself while you have the chance rather than eventually have your impurities forcefully whacked out of you.

I hope this didn't go overlooked.

Where did you come up with this analogy.. clergy, professors, parents... yourself? It's a helluvan analogy, which really disarms the atheist faction that proclaims, "God wants this because he's a bad man."

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None of the atheists here drink properly or take drugs?

pansies

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At 1/29/09 12:13 PM, Leeloo-Minai wrote:

Where did you come up with this analogy.. clergy, professors, parents... yourself? It's a helluvan analogy, which really disarms the atheist faction that proclaims, "God wants this because he's a bad man."

Yeah the "tough love" argument seems brilliant until you realize he'd send you to hell for 1000 years of mental reconditioning via extreme torture because you had sex with a man you weren't married too.

At 1/29/09 12:14 PM, Earfetish wrote: None of the atheists here drink properly or take drugs?

pansies

I drink plenty I just can't get any drugs.
Or care to get any really, just seems like one more thing that does nothing that would waste my money. Like getting drunk. There's only so many times you can do it before it becomes boring to do it regularly.

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At 1/29/09 05:44 AM, Shaggytheclown17 wrote: Aight leme ask a question to atheists here.

ok here we go, atheists, you deny god right? aight, you believe there is no evidence for him and you also believe there is no evidence against him right? So you're going off of the blind guess that he doesn;t exist huh?

Eh. NO. A lifetime of not having any evidence - it would be redicilous if i believed in God. God is no different than any other redicilous claim. I fail to believe in fairies for instance. Guess that's a blind guess too...

Ah well heres the real questions.

Atheists, what do you want in life?

Happines, love, career, kids, candy - biscuits.

What are you doing with your life?

Same as any average dude, living it.

How would you rate your life? 1-10, 10 being best

10

Do you believe in an afterlife?

Doh - I wouldn't be an atheist if i did.

Did you answer that last question too quickly by associating an afterlife with God?

An afterlife is an extraordinary claim, like the claim that God exist. Since history has failed to give ANY credible evidence that it is there - guess what - I fail to believe in it :P

Where did atoms come from?

From?

What is your reason for living?

Same as you - sans God.

What do you think the purpose of life if other than eating reproducing and dieing?

Doing human stuff. purpose is individualy relative.

Now for some asshole questions.

oh goodie.

Are you fat?
Are you ugly?
Do you have STDs?
Are you a whore?
Do you do drugs?
Do you drink more than once per month?/are you an alcoholic?
Do you cut yourself?
Are you bipolar?

No.

Now heres a mind twister, if you believe you came from either nothing, rocks n primordial soup, a monkey or anything other than God, how can you trust your own thoughts n beliefs seeing as you can't determine if your brain is working properly or not?

Another that is itching me, if you believe there is no God and that your life is worthless, why pound your beliefs into people as if it mattered, another thing, why do you bother getting up in the morning, why bother brushing your teeth, why bother breathing? You guys in your own belief are mindless animals.

The purpose of this was to get people thinking, I'm not going to bother trying to prove God to blind people anymore, death is the one thing you people fear most n I don't, I'll have an afterlife and you wont.

You think on this one: Say you realised that God didn't exist. What would be different from the day before you did? NOTHING. You would still be the same you - just having realised that God was an illusion - the world stays exactly the same :)

Therefore I'd do the same as any morning - get up for the same mundane reasons as ever. AS WOULD YOU.

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At 1/28/09 10:57 PM, Bacchanalian wrote:

At 1/28/09 10:23 PM, Brick-top wrote: How could anyone not define his punishment as bad?

By qualifying God.

So basically eternal punishment is a good thing?

Also, shaggy. Stop watching venomfangx videos. shawn has admitted to breaking the law and lying. He's also said people don't deserve to live and has no education in anything he argues against.

Want proof?

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At 1/29/09 05:44 AM, Shaggytheclown17 wrote: Aight leme ask a question to atheists here.

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Ooooo....a survey, & i've got some time to kill.

ok here we go, atheists, you deny god right?

Actually I deny that any organized religion on this mudball has ABSOLUTELY ANY correct idea about god.

Ah well heres the real questions.

Atheists, what do you want in life?

I want to enjoy myself, I want to play more than I work, work at what I enjoy , & see as much of the world as I can.

What are you doing with your life?

I'm raising some kids, working at a job I really really enjoy, traveling when i can .

How would you rate your life? 1-10, 10 being best

9...yeah a nine, If I won a bunch of money & only had to work jobs when the mood or project tweaked my interest I would then say a 10.

Do you believe in an afterlife?

How can there be after life,when your dead ? I'm not interested in becoming a zombie.

Did you answer that last question too quickly by associating an afterlife with God?

try to grasp the idea of god not being a physical body, like yourself...but more of an all encompassing still unknown...like dark matter.

Where did atoms come from?

possibly outside the 3 dimensional reality that we presently experience, or from a parallel universe .

What is your reason for living?

To gain experience, TO HAVE FUN

What do you think the purpose of life if other than eating reproducing and dieing?

Life is what you make of it. You are the author of your own fortune or misfortune... constantly looking to blame, or blaming others, outside forces, luck etc. is in my opinion a copout. So look for something you enjoy doing & do it! plus ,eat good , make merry & get laid.

Now for some asshole questions.

Are you fat?

No , I'm big...but I'm not fat.

Are you ugly?

The girls I've dated /am dating ,didn't seem to think so.

Do you have STDs?

No , & yes I have been tested more than once.

Are you a whore?

No, I make my money through working as a member of a recognized international union.

Do you do drugs?

Only as prescribed by a doctor, but I do drink & occaissionally smoke pot.

Do you drink more than once per month?/are you an alcoholic?

Yes, an alcoholic question like you've just asked is very subjectively narrow. according to medical people I have spoken to, if you go out on Friday night & have a couple of drinks & do it every Friday night, but only friday night. You are an alcoholic. Anyone who has a drink(s) on week ends, a couple of times a week, only at dinner, can be considered an alcoholic, based on the fact it is drinking in a repeptitive way.
If that is the criteria for judgement of being "an Alcoholic" Well then , Yes I am, But I haven't ever missed work because of drinking. I have never been at work drunk -As a climbing 'highsteel' rigger, you won't live long if you try doing that drunk.- drinking alcohol isn't something I need to do & I take my turn as designated driver so if we go to a hockey game as an example, the other guy's can have a few drinks the DD doesn't drink...no problem.

Do you cut yourself?

Not on purpose, but I have cut myself accidentally .

Are you bipolar?

No

Now heres a mind twister, if you believe you came from either nothing, rocks n primordial soup, a monkey or anything other than God, how can you trust your own thoughts n beliefs seeing as you can't determine if your brain is working properly or not?

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98.5 % of Mankinds DNA is shared with Apes...that's a fact, you may not like that...but that's your & the church's problem, that "TRUTH" doesn't bother me. How do you feel now that they have mapped man & mouse genome's & we both have around 30000 genes & we share 99% of them ?
Your poor church leaders are going to SHIT themselves LMFAO.
But that is now a proven scientific fact. Further more.
Quote "Among the findings are that both Man & mouse contain around 30,000 genes. Differences within these individual genes-the precise sequences of the 4 letter DNA code - spell out the obvious differences between these 2 mammalian species. On a letter by letter basis, the genes are 85% the same.

Another that is itching me, if you believe there is no God and that your life is worthless, why pound your beliefs into people as if it mattered, another thing, why do you bother getting up in the morning, why bother brushing your teeth, why bother breathing? You guys in your own belief are mindless animals.

Well I don't preach there is no god.
I say "There is no religious organization on this planet that knows the truth about god...so take a page from the Atheist bus advertisements in Briton, "There probably is no god, now stop worrying & enjoy your life "

The purpose of this was to get people thinking, I'm not going to bother trying to prove God to blind people anymore, death is the one thing you people fear most n I don't, I'll have an afterlife and you wont.

I'm not blind. We actually don't allow 'blind riggers' because of the safety implications of moving around on the steel beams in a structure where your often 30,50 100 feet off the ground. As for an afterlife...maybe there is an alternative reality...I don't know but it won't be 'life'... you have life now ...make the most of it. Because this reality is what we NO FOR SURE we have to enjoy ourselves in. Placing unrealistic, unwanted restricitons on myself just so I "may be able to go to heaven" is just too stupid a concept for me to waste any time on.

When my kids are older & I'm single again...I plan on spending a lot of money on Booze, Drugs & Hookers...the rest of it, I'll probably just waste !

YAAAAAAYYYYYYYY! ! ! ! SURVEY's over ;p

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At 1/29/09 12:38 PM, poxpower wrote:

At 1/29/09 12:13 PM, Leeloo-Minai wrote:

Where did you come up with this analogy.. clergy, professors, parents... yourself? It's a helluvan analogy, which really disarms the atheist faction that proclaims, "God wants this because he's a bad man."

Yeah the "tough love" argument seems brilliant until you realize he'd send you to hell for 1000 years of mental reconditioning via extreme torture because you had sex with a man you weren't married too.

Like, 1000 death years? Just what part of you is being tortured after you've been dead for decades or millenia?

Seriously pox, get a grip.

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At 1/29/09 01:03 PM, Brick-top wrote:

Also, shaggy. Stop watching venomfangx videos. shawn has admitted to breaking the law and lying. He's also said people don't deserve to live and has no education in anything he argues against.

Shaggy gets his info from Venomfang, an avowed lying teenager who's only source of info is Kent Hovind, a jailed frauder who lied about his education through his teeth for 20 years and has no credentials in science whatsoever. No papers, no degree, no tenure, no respect.

It's fucking sad.

At 1/29/09 01:57 PM, Leeloo-Minai wrote:

Like, 1000 death years? Just what part of you is being tortured after you've been dead for decades or millenia?

Wtf, I don't know, I didn't come up with their stupid religion.
Go ask them.

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At 1/29/09 02:28 PM, poxpower wrote:

At 1/29/09 01:57 PM, Leeloo-Minai wrote: Like, 1000 death years? Just what part of you is being tortured after you've been dead for decades or millenia?

Wtf, I don't know, I didn't come up with their stupid religion.
Go ask them.

Oh, I thought you were the one with issues on it.

My bad.

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At 1/29/09 05:44 AM, Shaggytheclown17 wrote: ok here we go, atheists, you deny god right? aight, you believe there is no evidence for him and you also believe there is no evidence against him right? So you're going off of the blind guess that he doesn;t exist huh?

I logically reasoned that the existence of god or any deity is absurd. Honestly, just read through the Bible and look at the events logically, then compare them with what has been proven to be true. Question is Why do you blindly believe that a god does exist?

Atheists, what do you want in life?

A good job, a family, and FLASH!!

What are you doing with your life?

Trying to bring down society.

How would you rate your life? 1-10, 10 being best

8-9

Do you believe in an afterlife?

No

Did you answer that last question too quickly by associating an afterlife with God?

No i answered it so because I truly believe that when you die, its over.

Where did atoms come from?

This is technically irrelevant. If you don't believe in atoms, what are you standing on? A good question to consider is "Where did God come from?" And don't say he was always there. What about when there was no THERE?

What is your reason for living?

Being annoying, spreading insanity, and entertaining people with witty remarks.

What do you think the purpose of life if other than eating reproducing and dieing?

Actually contributing something to the world, unlike many religious people...

Now heres a mind twister, if you believe you came from either nothing, rocks n primordial soup, a monkey or anything other than God, how can you trust your own thoughts n beliefs seeing as you can't determine if your brain is working properly or not?

Actually, science does a pretty good job of showing brain activity.

Another that is itching me, if you believe there is no God and that your life is worthless, why pound your beliefs into people as if it mattered, another thing, why do you bother getting up in the morning, why bother brushing your teeth, why bother breathing? You guys in your own belief are mindless animals.

Now this makes you look like like a close-minded, hypocritical shit-head. We lead very successful lives, which we don't waste worshipping some mumbo-jumbo God. And by saying people who don't believe the same thing as you, you are saying that all non-Christian religions are stupid, including Judaism, when I do believe your Bible calls Jesus the "King of the Jews." PWN'D.

The purpose of this was to get people thinking, I'm not going to bother trying to prove God to blind people anymore, death is the one thing you people fear most n I don't, I'll have an afterlife and you wont.

Say what you will, I don't fear death in the slightest. And if you ask me your corpse will rot just like everyone else's.

On another matter that is not brought up in that list of questions, no I don't think all religious people are stupid. I just disagree with them. Most of my friends are religious and do know and accept that I am an atheist. I respect the people willing to speak their opinion, whether I agree with it or not.

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At 1/29/09 02:28 PM, poxpower wrote: Shaggy gets his info from Venomfang, an avowed lying teenager who's only source of info is Kent Hovind, a jailed frauder

I was thinking the exact same thing.

VenomfangX broke the law with DMCA's and he gets his information off a man who commited tax fraud. Does that mean shaggy is going to commit a crime?

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At 1/29/09 06:12 AM, StephanosGnomon wrote: Nothing about the term implies that punishment itself is bad.

I haven't seen you in a while!

Anyway, I think what he meant was that punishment is intrinsically unpleasant on some level. It's true, but it's not how the term "bad" was being used.

I completely agree with the rest of your post.

At 1/29/09 01:03 PM, Brick-top wrote: So basically eternal punishment is a good thing?

Acting 'badly' on deep emotions rather than acting 'correctly' on logic is a matter of prudence - a matter of righteousness. Punishment can be righteous - the decision to punish can be a 'good' decision - punishment can be 'good'.

Since God defines reality, and therefore what is righteous, all his action is prudent if he is defined as a righteous being. Because this reflexive quality is intrinsic to the-omnipotent-being, the circular argument that is God is not actually a fallacy (unless you don't believe in Him).

You could also argue that defining God as righteous is only a generalization, and that God does at times make poor decisions. No matter what though, it's a given that he's an ego-maniac.

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At 1/29/09 07:00 PM, Brick-top wrote:

VenomfangX broke the law with DMCA's and he gets his information off a man who commited tax fraud. Does that mean shaggy is going to commit a crime?

No, it means he's a dumbass who takes the word of two uneducated criminals over the word of thousands of eminent scientists.

HA-HAW

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At 1/29/09 07:24 PM, Bacchanalian wrote:

defines reality, and therefore what is righteous, all his action is prudent if he is defined as a righteous being. Because this reflexive quality is intrinsic to the-omnipotent-being, the circular argument that is God is not actually a fallacy (unless you don't believe in Him).

Let me ask you this, if Gods actions are righteous then what would you do if he said the laws of the old testament are valid?

Would that still be righteous?

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At 1/29/09 08:02 PM, Brick-top wrote: Let me ask you this, if Gods actions are righteous then what would you do if he said the laws of the old testament are valid?

Would that still be righteous?

Yup!

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whats makes something god dose automaticly rightous?

right makes right isnt a valid argument.

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At 1/29/09 08:35 PM, thedo12 wrote: whats makes something god dose automaticly rightous?

right makes right isnt a valid argument.

Well, if God supposedly made everything, then by extension he would have invented morality as well.

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At 1/29/09 08:15 PM, Bacchanalian wrote:

Would that still be righteous?

Yup!

You have now proven God is morally evil based on the ethics of modern society.

YAY! We're better than God.

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At 1/29/09 09:50 PM, Brick-top wrote: You have now proven God is morally evil based on the ethics of modern society.

Modern society isn't the authority on morality.

YAY! We're better than God.

Mmm no. Actually it means we're 'evil'.

At 1/29/09 08:35 PM, thedo12 wrote: whats makes something god dose automaticly rightous?

Everything God does is righteous.

not: everything God does is automatically righteous.

Clearly you understand the difference if you employ the latter to make the point: everything God does isn't inherently righteous.

right makes right isnt a valid argument.

I like how everyone loves to redefine God before refuting Him.

You see. Ducks don't have wings. Therefore you're wrong when you say ducks fly!

At 1/29/09 08:45 PM, StephanosGnomon wrote: My shit is all fucked up dude.

Well that sucks. I hope it unfucks itself.

LOL yeah? What about now.

Hmmmm... yeah!

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At 1/29/09 08:45 PM, StephanosGnomon wrote:

1) Why 1000 years? Why not a million? Or 50? Or three minutes?

I don't know the time you're supposed to spend there.
I know they were selling indulgences in the middle ages ( made the church rich ) that gave you years off purgatory/limbo/ hell. ( ka-ching hahaha )

So presumably it's a number of years, probably in the dozens/ hundreds.

2) How is being raked over hot coals going to teach you a lesson about actions and consequences?

I don't know.
I thought the point was that you pay for your crimes so that incites you to lead a good life to avoid hell.

Why they need to make a learning experience extremely unpleasant anyway? I don't know. No one claims it ever made any sense.

Being made to examine every single moment of your life where you did something dickheaded, only, re-living each and every one of those moments through the eyes and the heart of the other person.

I'll take that instantly over getting my balls ripped out of my scrotum and fed to myself for 10 years.

"Hell" is not being able to forgive YOURSELF.

That's just new-age mumbo jumbo. They softened hell up in the last 30 ish years. In the days of my parents and all those before them, it was the fire and brimstone.

And of course, it'd be pretty stupid and counter-productive to end the experience there. What's a good way for getting over knowing how much of a fuck-up you'd previously been?

What's the point of being a better person once you're dead anyway?
???

3) As hell is a state of not being able to forgive yourself

Nowhere in any religion is hell defined as "you not forgiving yourself".
It's always GOD not forgiving YOU.