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At 1/21/09 03:22 PM, Brick-top wrote: And what I'm arguing is Atheists can believe in the paranormal because it has nothing to do with Atheism and Atheists are not interently skeptical.

That's it.

I'm just telling you that they are obviously linked statistically and logically even though the definition of one doesn't include the other and vice-versa.

At 1/21/09 04:23 PM, poxpower wrote: I'm just telling you that they are obviously linked statistically and logically even though the definition of one doesn't include the other and vice-versa.

That's not to say there aren't thousands or more atheists who posses a failure in capability to critically think.

At 1/21/09 04:23 PM, poxpower wrote:

At 1/21/09 03:22 PM, Brick-top wrote: And what I'm arguing is Atheists can believe in the paranormal because it has nothing to do with Atheism and Atheists are not interently skeptical.

That's it.

I'm just telling you that they are obviously linked statistically and logically even though the definition of one doesn't include the other and vice-versa.

There is no correlation between Atheism, skepticism, intelligence or almost anything else for that matter.

This is simply because why you're an Atheist is purly subjective to you me and the millions more Atheists in the world. Your ideas, your concepts, your thoughts that have nothing to do with your lack of belief in God is completely irrelevent to Atheism.

You seem to have a wee bit of a superiority complex when it comes to Atheism.

If you separate those who behave religious and not just believe, there is a positive correlation to education attainment and religious behavior.
In the US, religious behavior also increases with education level, according to raw data from the 2004 General Social Survey, which indicates that 30.4% of those with a graduate degree attend religious services weekly or more, a statistically significant proportion, higher than any lesser educated group. Further the group with the highest percentage of "never attending" was composed by those with only a high school education or less.

At 1/21/09 04:00 PM, Brick-top wrote:

At 1/21/09 03:47 PM, Drakim wrote:

At 1/21/09 03:22 PM, Brick-top wrote: And what I'm arguing is Atheists can believe in the paranormal because it has nothing to do with Atheism and Atheists are not interently skeptical.

That's it.

Well, that applies for everything. Nothing prevents you from being Christian and thinking Jesus was gay. lol.

For the exception of stoning homosexuals and the several other referrences saying those acts were bad.

Unless Jesus was a hypocrite.

Christianity is not a position on whatever Jesus was a hypocrite or not, but if he was the son of God. The things you speak about are unrelated.

At 1/21/09 04:56 PM, AntiangelicAngel wrote:

That's not to say there aren't thousands or more atheists who posses a failure in capability to critically think.

Of course.
Bell Curve people, bell curve.

At 1/21/09 04:56 PM, Brick-top wrote:

There is no correlation between Atheism, skepticism, intelligence or almost anything else for that matter.

That's just outright false, sorry.
I have no idea where you're getting your information.

At 1/21/09 11:58 PM, poxpower wrote:

At 1/21/09 04:56 PM, AntiangelicAngel wrote:

That's not to say there aren't thousands or more atheists who posses a failure in capability to critically think.

Of course.
Bell Curve people, bell curve.

At 1/21/09 04:56 PM, Brick-top wrote:

There is no correlation between Atheism, skepticism, intelligence or almost anything else for that matter.

That's just outright false, sorry.
I have no idea where you're getting your information.

sorry yourself. You seem to be making the case that atheism is somehow related to logic and by extension knowledge itself, which is absolutely unfounded. Even Socrates believed in the God that only he could speak to. And don't give me the "one man" counter because I could come up with an argument just as unfounded. For example, I could say since the minds that we hold to be the most brilliant in mankind's history (names that have stood the test of time) since the majority of those people believed in a higher being, that religious belief is a cycle. You start by being religious, then you conclude that God does not exist, but upon further contemplation, you conclude that there is a god, doing so in the prime of your brilliance. I'm not saying this is the case, but I'm saying that there cannot be a definite way of saying that intelligence absolutely has a cause and effect relationship with atheism since evidence proves otherwise.

At 1/21/09 04:00 PM, Brick-top wrote:

At 1/21/09 03:47 PM, Drakim wrote:

At 1/21/09 03:22 PM, Brick-top wrote: And what I'm arguing is Atheists can believe in the paranormal because it has nothing to do with Atheism and Atheists are not interently skeptical.

That's it.

Well, that applies for everything. Nothing prevents you from being Christian and thinking Jesus was gay. lol.

For the exception of stoning homosexuals and the several other referrences saying those acts were bad.

Unless Jesus was a hypocrite.

Call it hearsay (which it is), but it's been imparted to me in the past that the book of Leviticus may have referred not to homosexuals, but to male prostitutes. The true meaning of the term was apparently lost in translation somewhere between Semitic and Latin.

At 1/22/09 12:34 AM, EKublai wrote: since the majority of those people believed in a higher being, that religious belief is a cycle.

haha "religious belief is a cycle". What does that even mean? That we'll come back into "the cycle" as if that's EVER happened EVEN ONCE before? Yes, there really was a big resurgence of the Asgard pantheon in Denmark in the 90's...

Once a religion dies, it's done. It doesn't "cycle back".

Anyway if your brilliant theory that the smart people of the past were religious regardless of their intelligence, how come it's no longer true?

How come now, the smarter you are, the higher the chance that you WON'T be religious? Almost as if religion was cultural and pushed on people 200 years ago...

but I'm saying that there cannot be a definite way of saying that intelligence absolutely has a cause and effect relationship with atheism since evidence proves otherwise.

what evidence???

At 1/22/09 01:08 AM, poxpower wrote: How come now, the smarter you are, the higher the chance that you WON'T be religious? Almost as if religion was cultural and pushed on people 200 years ago...

But Christians are smarter, because we knew to accept Jesus's love. How else will we defeat the baby-aborting homo terrorists, and keep the liberals from letting their kids go on shooting sprees because of GTA IV and trying to take away our guns?

But yeah. Skepticism is generally a sign of intelligence. I'm not going to question that. I'm enjoying watching the spread of this new cultural atheism, though. I think the numbers are surging, and I wonder if soon the rebels will turn to jesus to be different. I'm only half kidding.

At 1/22/09 01:08 AM, poxpower wrote: Yes, there really was a big resurgence of the Asgard pantheon in Denmark in the 90's...

Once a religion dies, it's done. It doesn't "cycle back".

I think you'd be surprised. In a report I did back in high school, my research into Norse mythology indicated that there were a small number of people fostering a minor resurgence of the belief system. Plus, wikipedia has an article on Germanic Neopaganism that sort of flies in the face of your arguments that religious beliefs stay permanently dead.

At 1/21/09 11:58 PM, poxpower wrote:

At 1/21/09 04:56 PM, Brick-top wrote:

There is no correlation between Atheism, skepticism, intelligence or almost anything else for that matter.

That's just outright false, sorry.
I have no idea where you're getting your information.

It's because I don't ignore the idiotic comments made by Atheists or ignore their reasons for becoming an Atheist. Like I said it's purly subjective and is very diverse.

Why are you trying so hard to make Atheists seem better than everyone else? There is no evidence to suggest Atheists are more intelligent.

At 1/22/09 05:02 AM, Brick-top wrote:

Why are you trying so hard to make Atheists seem better than everyone else? There is no evidence to suggest Atheists are more intelligent.

Atheists aren't nessecarily more intillegent then the religious (or delusional as I like to call them) they just seem to have a better grasp of reality and less easily manipulated minds.

I mean they are the ones who DON'T believe in the magical, loving, man who lives in heaven and created the universe, sent his son (who is actually himself but still his son despite being him) to earth to get nailed to a cross and and suffer a slow painful death (because that way he can forgive humans for the terrible crime of their oldest anscestor eating an apple) only to have his son come back as a zombie (despite god being immortal and therefore not being able to die from any mortal method of execution) only to float up to heaven (despite god actually already being in heaven, because he is everywhere) and then have his followers murder, bring suffering and hold back humanity form any type of progression (technilogical, scientific or social) for as long as possible.

It's not so much atheists are smarter as it is christians (and other religious people) are stupid.

Of course, notice by stating this you say that every christian is a fundamentalist nut job, any agnost fully agrees with them and only rejection of every faith and clinging onto blind believe in science is the purest form of intelligence.

At 1/22/09 02:30 AM, dySWN wrote: Plus, wikipedia has an article on Germanic Neopaganism that sort of flies in the face of your arguments that religious beliefs stay permanently dead.

That sounds more like a joke than an actual religion ( if that's even possible).
Sounds like a bunch of wannabes trying to start up a cult.

Anyway, when I say dead, I MEAN IT. I mean WIPED OUT. Nothing left. Gone. No statues, no temples, no books. Gone. Wipe a religion out and it's DONE, it will not come back.

At 1/22/09 05:02 AM, Brick-top wrote:

It's because I don't ignore the idiotic comments made by Atheists or ignore their reasons for becoming an Atheist. Like I said it's purly subjective and is very diverse.

Right so your answer to the claim "I don't know where you facts come from" starts with "it's because" haha and then just goes on making no sense and ignoring things that were said.

Dude you suck, just quit already.

There is no evidence to suggest Atheists are more intelligent.

I could plug the data but I know you'll probably go on like "oh but maybe scientists aren't really intelligent" blablabla. You're hopeless.

At 1/22/09 08:01 AM, poxpower wrote:

There is no evidence to suggest Atheists are more intelligent.

I could plug the data but I know you'll probably go on like "oh but maybe scientists aren't really intelligent" blablabla. You're hopeless.

Show the data and give enough statistical variables to assure endogeneity is minimised.

At 1/22/09 08:37 AM, RubberTrucky wrote:

At 1/22/09 08:01 AM, poxpower wrote:

There is no evidence to suggest Atheists are more intelligent.

I could plug the data but I know you'll probably go on like "oh but maybe scientists aren't really intelligent" blablabla. You're hopeless.

Show the data and give enough statistical variables to assure endogeneity is minimised.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religiosity _and_intelligence

http://kspark.kaist.ac.kr/jesus/intellig ence%20&%20religion.htm

You want proof? here's your proof :o!

At 1/22/09 08:01 AM, poxpower wrote: Right so your answer to the claim "I don't know where you facts come from" starts with "it's because" haha and then just goes on making no sense and ignoring things that were said.

Should I type more simplistically so you can understand?

I know Atheists aren't smarter or more skeptical than anyone else because I've actually taken the time to debate with then and I've met some really idiotic Atheists. However you just ignore these people and think they don't exist so you can seem somewhat suprior just because you're an Atheist.

Like I've said, like I've been saying all along. the reason for being an Atheist and an Atheists intelligence is diverse and subjective. Not all Atheists are like you, actually I'd wager a lot of Atheists are nothing like you except for the association of beliefs.

Dude you suck, just quit already.

There is no evidence to suggest Atheists are more intelligent.

I could plug the data but I know you'll probably go on like "oh but maybe scientists aren't really intelligent" blablabla. You're hopeless.

Nice excuse. I'd love to see your data. But I already know you haven't got any to hand. Otherwise you would've given it to me already.

At 1/22/09 08:37 AM, RubberTrucky wrote:

Show the data and give enough statistical variables to assure endogeneity is minimised.

There's the 1998 survey from Science ( http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/350 6.asp ) that got some ridiculously overwhelming results.
"A survey of all 517 NAS members in biological and physical sciences resulted in just over half responding. 72.2 % were overtly atheistic, 20.8 % agnostic, and only 7.0 % believed in a personal God."

Some religiosity vs intelligence here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religiosity _and_intelligence#cite_note-GSS-11 With some useless data sprinkled in.

And more here: http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/intellig ence.html#Science

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I can't refind all the things I've seen over time but I've not heard of any study that shows contrary results to this.

The best thing religious people try is usually to say that such and such brilliant person was religious, so that somehow disproves statistics.

At 1/22/09 10:38 AM, Brick-top wrote:

I know Atheists aren't smarter or more skeptical than anyone else because I've actually taken the time to debate with then and I've met some really idiotic Atheists.

This argument coming from the guy who was trying to break my balls for "generalizing".

Nice excuse. I'd love to see your data. But I already know you haven't got any to hand. Otherwise you would've given it to me already.

Oops sometimes people call your bluff.
I'm still waiting for YOUR "evidence". Unless your evidence really was "I've met stupid atheists".

At 1/22/09 10:43 AM, poxpower wrote:

At 1/22/09 08:37 AM, RubberTrucky wrote:

Show the data and give enough statistical variables to assure endogeneity is minimised.

There's the 1998 survey from Science ( http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/350 6.asp ) that got some ridiculously overwhelming results.
"A survey of all 517 NAS members in biological and physical sciences resulted in just over half responding. 72.2 % were overtly atheistic, 20.8 % agnostic, and only 7.0 % believed in a personal God."

Some religiosity vs intelligence here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religiosity _and_intelligence#cite_note-GSS-11 With some useless data sprinkled in.

And more here: http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/intellig ence.html#Science

=====

I can't refind all the things I've seen over time but I've not heard of any study that shows contrary results to this.

The best thing religious people try is usually to say that such and such brilliant person was religious, so that somehow disproves statistics.

At 1/22/09 10:38 AM, Brick-top wrote:

I know Atheists aren't smarter or more skeptical than anyone else because I've actually taken the time to debate with then and I've met some really idiotic Atheists.

This argument coming from the guy who was trying to break my balls for "generalizing".

Nice excuse. I'd love to see your data. But I already know you haven't got any to hand. Otherwise you would've given it to me already.

Oops sometimes people call your bluff.
I'm still waiting for YOUR "evidence". Unless your evidence really was "I've met stupid atheists".

1 thing: reason why most evidence is hard to find is because it's common sense. Saying a person who doesn't believe in a god is smarter than a person who does is like calling a gay man more creative than a straight man (I sure hope I'm not getting banned for that :P).

Come on for christ sake only differnce between a atheist is that one believes in god and one doesn't. (Man who studies most of his life converts to jewish religion) BEFORE: Hello my dear sweet sophisticated susan, your beauty's light radiates even the most darkest stars in the heavenly skies. AFTER CONVERTING: OMG YEAAA I'M PART OF GOD OMG! GET MY GUN WE'RE GOING HUNTING (exploit deleted) (make west side sign) WHERE'S MY LAWYER BITCH HE'S A AWESOME GUY TO GO HUNTING WITH. >:(

Now it would make more sense if you said people who go to christian schools arn't as intellegent or some form of religious academy because most times they don't teach all that's important there.

At 1/22/09 10:43 AM, poxpower wrote: Some religiosity vs intelligence here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religiosity _and_intelligence#cite_note-GSS-11 With some useless data sprinkled in.

You mean, data that doesn't fit the curve you're looking for? Because 5 points of IQ isn't much, and the last study in that article seemed to indicate the opposite of what you seem to be arguing.

At 1/22/09 11:35 AM, carlosbarn wrote: jibber-jabber

No idea what you're talking about.

At 1/22/09 12:16 PM, dySWN wrote:

You mean, data that doesn't fit the curve you're looking for?

No I mean useless data.

Because 5 points of IQ isn't much,

It's still more.

and the last study in that article seemed to indicate the opposite of what you seem to be arguing.

Not really, it didn't factor in any nonbelievers, it was christians vs non christians. And even then, it's still just one country. It might be an exception.

And you have to be careful and what education they have. What did they study? Where? Was is Truthology at Jesus University? Was it graphic design? Or is it chemistry?

More education in non-scientific subjects probably doesn't change much to your religion. I'd love to see a comparison between engineers, chemists, biologists, doctors and other harder sciences and, say, arts, litterature, languages, history, law and other pussy subjects.

I'm pretty sure that no matter how many places you study Oil painting at, it won't make you think more about your religion. But the general tred that educated people are less religious is probably because of the taint from the hard sciences. If you have more educated people, then you'll have more people who did hard sciences and they'll tip the scales.

If you completely removed the hard sciences from the equation, I wonder if you'd see much of a difference in religiosity as you climb up the tree.

At 1/22/09 10:43 AM, poxpower wrote:

At 1/22/09 10:38 AM, Brick-top wrote:

I know Atheists aren't smarter or more skeptical than anyone else because I've actually taken the time to debate with then and I've met some really idiotic Atheists.

This argument coming from the guy who was trying to break my balls for "generalizing".

By saying SOME?

Maybe saying "I know" was arrogant of me.

I should've said I don't support the idea of Atheists being smarter because there's no evidence to suggest they are smarter simply because they're Atheists.

Nice excuse. I'd love to see your data. But I already know you haven't got any to hand. Otherwise you would've given it to me already.

Oops sometimes people call your bluff.
I'm still waiting for YOUR "evidence". Unless your evidence really was "I've met stupid atheists".

The burdon of proof is on you. You've made the claim, you provide the evidence. But since you've asked I'll take the challenge.

I could try to find a correlation between a nations intelligence and levels of believers. Acording to this 92% of Americans believe in God or a higher power. But acording to this over a third of most prestigious universities are American. And it has other impressive attributes which couldn't of occured without intelligence.

Now I'm not saying it's the best at everything, but it's quite impressive if your hypothesis is correct. I never included the IQ of each nation because people have different levels of intelligence for different areas (math, music, art, language etc)

I'd like to add my link on Scientists believing in god, if Atheists were inherently more intelligent those percentages would be much different. However it shows the majority of scientists are believers. Unless you want to argue nearly 2 thirds of scientists are down right liars or not actual scientists.

However, what I'm saying here means nothing because you still haven't proven Atheists are more intelligent.

At 1/22/09 12:47 PM, poxpower wrote:

At 1/22/09 11:35 AM, carlosbarn wrote: jibber-jabber

No idea what you're talking about.

K let's cut the jibber-jabber and say what I want to say.

1. Your a bigot (Reference: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/b igot)
2. 5 points on a average NOT including the other "surveyors" which could change the tide
3. Researched on first source is too one-sided to be anything at all scientifically acceptable (especially when dealing with general population).
4. :The contributions of genes and environment to religiosity have been quantified in twin studies
:(Bouchard et al', 1999; Kirk et al', 1999). Koenig et al (2005) report that the contribution of genes to
:variation in religiosity (called heritability) increases from 12% to 44% and the contribution of shared
:(family) effects decreases from 56% to 18% between adolescence and adulthood.
What they mention is genes

poxpower wrote
:Anyway if your brilliant theory that the smart people of the past were religious regardless of their

intelligence, how come it's no longer true?

What your mentioning is culture (I think, you don't make things clear here)

NOT TO MENTION most of the population in the past were religious especially some of our greatest minds
(Just in case you didn't look closely enough, there are indeed 5 sources here, one showing Galileo Galilei how devout he was to his religion. I had to include that in here because of the church locking him up incident.)

BEFORE you even say that was in the past, name one aithiest scientist that's performed a major acomplishment in the 20th century and I'll name 2 scientists that have some form of religion I put my word on it.

God I feel like I'm trying to talk to a white supremicist to stop hating african americans -_-'

At 1/22/09 02:10 PM, Brick-top wrote:

I should've said I don't support the idea of Atheists being smarter because there's no evidence to suggest they are smarter simply because they're Atheists.

No one said being an atheist is what makes you smarter

And it has other impressive attributes which couldn't of occured without intelligence.

What you did:

A lot of A ( americans) are X ( religious)
A lot of B (universities) are A ( american)
So a lot of B are A.

Which you CANNOT DO. It could very well be that NONE OF B ARE A. Basic logic :o
You have to show that the universities themselves are religious.

However it shows the majority of scientists are believers.

Many things:

1. The proportion of scientists who are nonreligious vs religious trumps by far that of the normal population. Which is what I said.

2. The quiz does not differentiate between levels of belief. It makes clear mention that many of the people who falls into the "believer" camp actually aren't in any religion. I would bet they are Deists, which, while not Atheism, is not really a religion.

I'd be willing to bet everything I own that outside of scientists, the people who are religious are MORE religious, belief-wise.

you still haven't proven Atheists are more intelligent.

Read the links I posted.
Bah on second thought, I doubt you'll make that effort.

At 1/22/09 02:15 PM, carlosbarn wrote:

1. Your a bigot

Your a idoit.

2. 5 points on a average NOT including the other "surveyors" which could change the tide

?? Do you know what a survey is? haha

3. Researched on first source is too one-sided

Because? Do you question the studies? Do you have anything to say other than "boo hoo I don't agree with the results, find more studies that agree with me or else you're cheating wah"

4. :The contributions of genes and environment to religiosity have been quantified in twin studies

(Bouchard et al', 1999; Kirk et al', 1999). Koenig et al (2005) report that the contribution of genes to
variation in religiosity (called heritability) increases from 12% to 44% and the contribution of shared
(family) effects decreases from 56% to 18% between adolescence and adulthood.

What they mention is genes

What are you even referring to?

NOT TO MENTION most of the population in the past were religious

Gee I wonder why. Maybe it was because they'd kill you if you weren't.

Galileo Galilei how devout he was to his religion.

No one cares

name one aithiest scientist

No one cares, nimrod, it's not a contest of who can name people. That's like saying "there's more fruits than vegetables and before you give me links by botanists, let's see who can name the most and the winner was right!

Well I'm done with you anyway -_-

At this point I can conclude that it is a fact that people with a higher IQ favor atheism. However, as mentioned by dySWN, is 5 points a dramatic difference? I guess it's up to interpretation.

I'm not convinced you can now say anyone who believes in God is stupid.

On the main issue: "Are religion and science irreconsilable?"

The examples show that past scientists could still develop huge theories without rejecting faith altogether. So, there is no strict separation with being a worthy scientist and being a believer.

Counterargument of course is that if human kind hasn't been busy praying for a few eons, we would have been much farther. This is true, but that proofs you can't be an extreme devote, taking the bible litterally and make progress on science.

In the end, you can be a brilliant scientist, even if you believe that Santa Claus exists. As long as you do science without assuming that Santa Claus is the answer to your current problem it should not interfere.

At 1/22/09 03:27 PM, poxpower wrote: What you did:

A lot of A ( americans) are X ( religious)
A lot of B (universities) are A ( american)
So a lot of B are A.

Which you CANNOT DO. It could very well be that NONE OF B ARE A. Basic logic :o
You have to show that the universities themselves are religious.

Actually I can. The vast majority of Americans are Religious and America is the most powerful, wealthy and has the highest regarded universities in the world.

If your hypothesis is correct, America would not.

However it shows the majority of scientists are believers.

Many things:

1. The proportion of scientists who are nonreligious vs religious trumps by far that of the normal population. Which is what I said.

Are you not reading it? If Atheists are smarter there would be little to no people who believe in god.

2. The quiz does not differentiate between levels of belief. It makes clear mention that many of the people who falls into the "believer" camp actually aren't in any religion. I would bet they are Deists, which, while not Atheism, is not really a religion.

So you're trying to argue against it by saying "They're less Religious"?

It's still a belief in a God or higher power (whether or not that's considered god is debatable)

I'd be willing to bet everything I own that outside of scientists, the people who are religious are MORE religious, belief-wise.

*cough* Ken Miller *cough*

you still haven't proven Atheists are more intelligent.

Read the links I posted.
Bah on second thought, I doubt you'll make that effort.

I'll check the 3 latest ones you posted. The first was from Answersingenesis and guess who's the founder? I'd rather take information from a druged up bum than him.

The other two were too bastardized I got 'page could not be displayed' Repost then and this time use that magical orange button with 'link' written on it.

At 1/22/09 04:44 PM, Brick-top wrote:

At 1/22/09 03:27 PM, poxpower wrote: What you did:

A lot of A ( americans) are X ( religious)
A lot of B (universities) are A ( american)
So a lot of B are A.

Which you CANNOT DO. It could very well be that NONE OF B ARE A. Basic logic :o
You have to show that the universities themselves are religious.

Actually I can. The vast majority of Americans are Religious and America is the most powerful, wealthy and has the highest regarded universities in the world.

If your hypothesis is correct, America would not.

Actually, your logic is still not sound. Despite those preconditions, you are counting on education being even across society for your conclusions. Perhaps, the education in America, despite America being overly religions, goes with a great tilt towards the non-religions population.

I mean if I argued that

a) Africa has a large amount of AIDS victims, much more than Netherlands
b) The percentage of gay people in Africa is less than in Netherlands

then I cannot simply conclude that Gay people tends to be less likely to have AIDS (which we know is outright false).

At 1/22/09 04:44 PM, Brick-top wrote:
Actually I can.

No, you can't.
Example:
67% of americans are bald.
1% of americans are McDonald's employees.

According to your logic, I could somehow predict what number of McDonald's employees are bald using only your original statistic. Nonsense. 100% could be bald, or 0%. Maybe you'd say "oh it was 67%, obviously" then you'd do the stats and find out it's like 5% since most of them are under 18.

Again: learn basic logic. Holy penises.

The vast majority of Americans are Religious and America is the most powerful, wealthy and has the highest regarded universities in the world.

If your hypothesis is correct, America would not.

No, atheists being smarter than religious people has almost 0 bearing on any of this.

Are you not reading it? If Atheists are smarter there would be little to no people who believe in god.

haha what? This is like quotable insanity.

It's still a belief in a God or higher power (whether or not that's considered god is debatable)

Yes but it's pretty valid to point out that even among the religious in the elite, you'll find that they are on average LESS religious.
Just supports my point again.

*cough* Ken Miller *cough*

This really has nothing to do whatsoever with anything :o
On top of which, even if it did, it would be completely irrelevant. How long are you going to do the "hey I can name a guy who doesn't fit your description, therefore I have proven your stats wrong" routine before you realize it's retarded?

I'll check the 3 latest ones you posted. The first was from Answersingenesis and guess who's the founder?

You're just a lazy-ass bastard. They're quoting a study from SCIENCE MAGAZINE

The other two were too bastardized I got 'page could not be displayed' Repost then and this time use that magical orange button with 'link' written on it.

Sorry you don't know how to browse the internet yet. I think it says something about you that you're so lazy you'd rather do more complaining in a post than just copy/paste the entire link into another tab.

Like holy shit :O

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