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At 12/28/03 09:32 PM, BWS wrote: Also because they drink a lot of Labatts, and so they are always drunk. Or playing hockey. Or maybe building igloos and whatnot.

as far as cheap beer goes, labatt is the shit.

At 12/28/03 02:43 PM, swallowing_shit wrote:

At 12/28/03 02:40 PM, red_skunk wrote: Even fucking converse are made in china now!

That would be because Nike bought Converse. >:\

not surprising, I hadn't heard of that, but not surprising at all.

And, the thing that really pisses me off, is that they started making them in china, and the price went up!! They use to be twenty something, they're like forty bucks now!

!^%#$#@

At 12/28/03 10:33 PM, BWS wrote: Yes. America is so stupid. They are all rednecks that have guns, like to drink whisky, and kill dirty sinners.

Over 50% of American people own some kind of firearm, most likely to be a handgun. Over 65% think that everyone has the right to a gun. That's millions of guns there.

They also are all rich assholes that are out to fuck over everyone in the rest of the world. This is the whole truth, and nothing but.

I'm glad I swayed you with my argument on how american companies exploit small children in Indonesia to make their shoes.

At 12/29/03 05:42 AM, bumcheekcity wrote: Over 50% of American people own some kind of firearm, most likely to be a handgun. Over 65% think that everyone has the right to a gun. That's millions of guns there.

Actually they do have a right to have guns. It's in the Bill of Rights but your english ass probably has never seen it.

I wish everybody would stop going on about fucking shoes.

Why does Nike go to China? Because that is where the labour costs or the lowest. It is called capitalism and as soon as any country starts actually standing on their own two feet and not relying on Aid America bitches and says they are losing jobs.

ACCEPT THE GLOBAL ECONOMY.

And like America isn't a threat to the rest of the world right? Have a look here for some lovely actions America did for the world.

Yeah and we also stopped a group of people who built a soccer field with UN funds, and then used it as a public execution/punishment center. It is popular these days to attack the US for trying to use military force against repressive regimes, but the truth of the matter is many of these dictatorships and theocracies just do not care about the well-being of their people. Kim Il-Jong in N. Korea starves his people while building a military that threatens the stability of a region. Saddam refused to cooperate with the 1992 UN peace plan, resulting in economic sanctions that hurt the people and not him. As for Afghanistan see the picture.

European colonialism wrecked havoc on the third world, and after WWII we were looked to to fix those problems (ie- Vietnam [France's baby] and Isreal [England's baby]. The world is not a perfect place, there is violence and chaos and lacks of reason.

Evolve, die but do something.

At 12/19/03 06:51 PM, Tropico wrote: I think that America is bullying other countries around, and although they can defeat the other countries on their own, if they band together, they could kick the U.S. ass all the way back to the Potomac.

Don't do it America. I love you so much and I do not want you to do this to yourself.

Canada Rocks, check it out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

At least we actually have to pay to help the people out while yall are there paying shit. America is the only country helpin Israel so you can't say shit u dont know

At 12/28/03 10:25 PM, Oyster_Clock wrote:

Because america is filled with retards.

You hear that............................ thats the sound of no one careing, remember that sound for you will hear it ofen. No one care what you think cause your a fucking red neck who masterbates at Gorege W. Bush gay porn

Oyster_Clock, can you say anything that really makes sense? Your "rant" is just babbling that you think sounds tough. Why don't you use that brain of yours (I'm sure its looking for a work-out) and say something clever, witty or intelligent to add to the conversation.

At 12/29/03 11:45 AM, TheMason wrote: It is popular these days to attack the US for trying to use military force against repressive regimes.

What about countries who posed no threat or weren't even oppresive?

China
Italy
Greece
Philippines
South Korea
Albania
Germany
Iran
Guatemala
Jordan
Lebanon
Egypt
Indonesia
British Guiana
Vietnam
Cambodia
The Congo
Zaire
Brazil
Dominican Republic
Cuba
Chile
East Timor
Nicaragua
Grenada
Libya
Panama
Iraq (1990)
Afghanistan (1979-1992)
El salvador
Haiti
Yugoslavia

Yeah what about those countries?
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/US_Interventions_WBlumZ.html

Hey swallowing shit, I saw Iraq on there. They invaded Kuwait and that is why we attacked them. Want to know why they attacked Kuwait? MONEY! Saddam was pissed at Kuwait for lowering the price of oil and he needed to regain money after the war with Iran, so he basically took over Kuwait for OIL.

What about countries who posed no threat or weren't even oppresive?

China
Iran
Iraq (1990)
Afghanistan (1979-1992)
Haiti

Yeah what about those countries?

China does not pose a threat? Let's see they are a nuclear power that is constantly being monitored for human rights abuses.

Iran is a strict theocracy imposed upon a people who, according to many polls, do not want to live under an Ayatollah. They are also in the process of developing nuclear and biological weapons (the US doesn't even have a bio program). Furthermore, Iran is one of two nations that threaten peace in the Middle East (the other is Isreal under Sharon).

Iraq, c'mon just look at all the abuses under the Hussein regime, HE USED CHEMICAL WEAPONS ON HIS OWN PEOPLE! This was against an ethnic minority. Can you say Genocide (a la Hitler)?

We intervened in Haiti because there was a warlord in power. Well yeah he gave his enemies necklaces. But wait these were actually tires dosed with gasoline and after being placed upon the victim's neck lit on fire. Real nice people there.

As for Afghanistan, I'll show the picture one last time.

Next time, Swallows, don't just swallow the shit you're spoon-fed without question. You'll learn more and be a more productive member of society.

Evolve, die but do something.
TheMason

At 12/29/03 12:19 PM, TheMason wrote: China does not pose a threat? Let's see they are a nuclear power that is constantly being monitored for human rights abuses.

I forgot to mention. China, 1945-49 Perhaps you should take a look at that website

Iran is a strict theocracy imposed upon a people who, according to many polls, do not want to live under an Ayatollah. They are also in the process of developing nuclear and biological weapons (the US doesn't even have a bio program). Furthermore, Iran is one of two nations that threaten peace in the Middle East (the other is Isreal under Sharon).

Iran, 1953:
Prime Minister Mossadegh was overthrown in a joint U.S./British operation. Mossadegh had been elected to his position by a large majority of parliament, but he had made the fateful mistake of spearheading the movement to nationalize a British-owned oil company, the sole oil company operating in Iran. The coup restored the Shah to absolute power and began a period of 25 years of repression and torture, with the oil industry being restored to foreign ownership, as follows: Britain and the U.S., each 40 percent, other nations 20 percent.

Iraq, c'mon just look at all the abuses under the Hussein regime, HE USED CHEMICAL WEAPONS ON HIS OWN PEOPLE! This was against an ethnic minority. Can you say Genocide (a la Hitler)?

Chemical weapons that either came partially from the U.S. or were bought with the $5 million in funds forwarded to Saddam during the 1980s. Donald Rumsfeld even visited Iraq when the said genocide was taking place.
http://www.cjr.org/archives.asp?url=/93/2/iraqgate.asp
http://www.progressive.org/0901/anth0498.html

We intervened in Haiti because there was a warlord in power. Well yeah he gave his enemies necklaces. But wait these were actually tires dosed with gasoline and after being placed upon the victim's neck lit on fire. Real nice people there.

Haiti, 1987-94:
The U.S. supported the Duvalier family dictatorship for 30 years, then opposed the reformist priest, Jean-Bertrand Aristide. Meanwhile, the CIA was working intimately with death squads, torturers, and drug traffickers. With this as background, the Clinton White House found itself in the awkward position of having to pretend-because of all their rhetoric about "democracy"-that they supported Aristide's return to power in Haiti after he had been ousted in a 1991 military coup. After delaying his return for more than two years, Washington finally had its military restore Aristide to office, but only after obliging the priest to guarantee that he would not help the poor at the expense of the rich, and that he would stick closely to free-market economics. This meant that Haiti would continue to be the assembly plant of the Western Hemisphere, with its workers receiving literally starvation wages.

As for Afghanistan, I'll show the picture one last time.

Great, a picture. :\

Everyone knows of the unbelievable repression of women in Afghanistan, carried out by Islamic fundamentalists, even before the Taliban. But how many people know that during the late 1970s and most of the 1980s, Afghanistan had a government committed to bringing the incredibly backward nation into the 20th century, including giving women equal rights? What happened, however, is that the United States poured billions of dollars into waging a terrible war against this government, simply because it was supported by the Soviet Union. Prior to this, CIA operations had knowingly increased the probability of a Soviet intervention, which is what occurred. In the end, the United States won, and the women, and the rest of Afghanistan, lost. More than a million dead, three million disabled, five million refugees, in total about half the population.

At 12/29/03 12:17 PM, Ravens_Grin wrote: Hey swallowing shit, I saw Iraq on there. They invaded Kuwait and that is why we attacked them. Want to know why they attacked Kuwait? MONEY! Saddam was pissed at Kuwait for lowering the price of oil and he needed to regain money after the war with Iran, so he basically took over Kuwait for OIL.

I know, and just then Iraqi and American officials were no longer friends. There's a Noam Chomsky quote in that webpage that directly relates to what you said.

At 12/29/03 12:19 PM, TheMason wrote: China does not pose a threat? Let's see they are a nuclear power that is constantly being monitored for human rights abuses.

Just like America, lets run through that.

- Nuclear Power
- Constantly being Monitored for Human Rights Abuses

Yup! Just like America!

I looked at that site, I noticed the link after I responded to your post, and you had not put many dates after the countries you mentioned.

As for China, the US wanted to halt Communism. The result is a tiny island nation of Taiwan that has a better standard of living than that of its parent nation who suffers under a brutal central control. So much for Chairman Mao's legacy.

Iraq, I'm tired of hearing about how we gave them arms during their 10 year war with Iran. Yes we gave some aid, but obviously nothing very sophisticated. If we had they would arm their infantry with M-16s rather than AK-47s, their armor would M-1A1 Abrams instead of T-72s, and their air force would fly F-15s and F-16s instead of MiGs and Miragaes. As for WMDs, we aided the Isreali Air Force in destroying a nuclear production plant. Meanwhile the USSR is supplying Iraq with the fruits of an illegal bio/chem program and the French are supplying the airplanes (mirages). Then, in spite of UN sanctions, France and Russia then helped Iraq build plants whose specifications far exceeded those required for peaceful research/production.

As for Afghanistan, obviously Blum's arguments are based upon dubious scholarship. Afghanistan had a Soviet backed regime. However, some in the regime wanted to switch sides (hence CIA presence). Then in 1979 the USSR took action against this government by inciting a coup and then invading the country. The result was a 10 year war in which we provided arms (in co-operation with Egypt, Isreal and China) to the Mujahideen against the Soviet invaders. When the Soviets left, so did we. We did not even try to nation build. What happened then was religious fanatics were able to gain power and enforce their barbaric worldview on the rest of the nation. Maybe if we stayed and rebuilt the country, sent in troops to enforce law, etc. history would have been different. However, our involvement only makes things worse.

I saw Blum's quote about "A terrorist is a person with a bomb, but no air force". The US Air Force does not target civillians. We go to great lengths to avoid civillian casualties. But in war things happen and mistakes are made. But we do everything possible to keep them from happening even when we incurr the risk.
A terrorist by nature will be attracted to civillian targets, this is the method of their brand of warfare. It is sad that Blum is so arrogant/ignorant to see this distinction.

Well Swallows, this post has gone on too long and I must go.

TheMason

At 12/19/03 06:51 PM, Tropico wrote: I think that America is bullying other countries around, and although they can defeat the other countries on their own, if they band together, they could kick the U.S. ass all the way back to the Potomac.

Don't do it America. I love you so much and I do not want you to do this to yourself.

Canada Rocks, check it out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Though you have an excellent point, if the other nations were to band together, they would most likely win. Yet a lot of people are misunderstanding politics, and mistake it for bullying. I mean, though we try to be as lenient as possible, we need to give people a reason to listen to us, and do what we ask them to do.

At 12/29/03 01:18 PM, bumcheekcity wrote: Just like America, lets run through that.

- Nuclear Power
- Constantly being Monitored for Human Rights Abuses

Yup! Just like America!

+ they both have an unelected leader :)

At 12/29/03 01:18 PM, bumcheekcity wrote:

At 12/29/03 12:19 PM, TheMason wrote: China does not pose a threat? Let's see they are a nuclear power that is constantly being monitored for human rights abuses.

Just like America, lets run through that.

- Nuclear Power
- Constantly being Monitored for Human Rights Abuses

Yup! Just like America!

Okay, I'm sorry, I forgot about how the US harvests organs from prisoners (condemned or otherwise) for profit, or forces women to have abortions if they are not ideologically pure enough. We outright ban or jail all of those whose ideas oppose the government. No wait, THAT IS China and does not happen here!

Over here in America we have the death penalty, but it is administered only after on average 14 years of appeal. When there is found to be a problem with this system our government puts a moratorium on it (see Illinois) instead of just letting it happen and admit to error. Abortions ARE a matter of choice and will always be. We have seemingly unlimited media outlets expressing all sorts of views and opinions. Over here a political prisoner is not really one per se, but a matter of public opinion.

I can see where it would be easy to confuse the US and China.

At 12/29/03 05:42 AM, bumcheekcity wrote:

At 12/28/03 10:33 PM, BWS wrote: Yes. America is so stupid. They are all rednecks that have guns, like to drink whisky, and kill dirty sinners.

Over 50% of American people own some kind of firearm, most likely to be a handgun. Over 65% think that everyone has the right to a gun. That's millions of guns there.

So what? Its our right. And by the way, the people that kill each other with them usually dont register them. The people that register them, and own them legaly, are a small percentage of the ones who use guns for crime. And 65% huh? Well, we have this silly little thing called law which says that we have the right to own them. I know, its crazy talk, but its true...imagine that.

They also are all rich assholes that are out to fuck over everyone in the rest of the world. This is the whole truth, and nothing but.

I'm glad I swayed you with my argument on how american companies exploit small children in Indonesia to make their shoes.

What? What the fuck are you talking about? Oh, maybe when I argued that there are things that can be made cheaper that way as well as more expensively. Too bad nobody even understood what the fuck I was talking about. You wont sway my opinion on anything, im sure.

And to the people who have reading comprehension abilities similar to that of a football, I was being sarcastic in my other posts.

At 12/29/03 05:42 AM, bumcheekcity wrote:

At 12/28/03 10:33 PM, BWS wrote: Yes. America is so stupid. They are all rednecks that have guns, like to drink whisky, and kill dirty sinners.

Over 50% of American people own some kind of firearm, most likely to be a handgun. Over 65% think that everyone has the right to a gun. That's millions of guns there.

So what? Its our right. And by the way, the people that kill each other with them usually dont register them. The people that register them, and own them legaly, are a small percentage of the ones who use guns for crime. And 65% huh? Well, we have this silly little thing called law which says that we have the right to own them. I know, its crazy talk, but its true...imagine that.

They also are all rich assholes that are out to fuck over everyone in the rest of the world. This is the whole truth, and nothing but.

I'm glad I swayed you with my argument on how american companies exploit small children in Indonesia to make their shoes.

What? What the fuck are you talking about? Oh, maybe when I argued that there are things that can be made cheaper that way as well as more expensively. Too bad nobody even understood what the fuck I was talking about. You wont sway my opinion on anything, im sure.

And to the people who have reading comprehension abilities similar to that of a football, I was being sarcastic in my other posts.

nice double post there BWS

At 12/29/03 01:49 PM, JamsterBoyo wrote: nice double post there BWS

Ya, you like it? It happens sometimes bro, get over it.

At 12/29/03 01:53 PM, BWS wrote: Ya, you like it? It happens sometimes bro, get over it.

Yes because I am an idiot and need things repeating :)

At 12/29/03 01:55 PM, JamsterBoyo wrote:

At 12/29/03 01:53 PM, BWS wrote: Ya, you like it? It happens sometimes bro, get over it.

Yes because I am an idiot and need things repeating :)

Well, if you insist I suppose.

At 12/29/03 01:42 PM, BWS wrote: So what? Its our right. And by the way, the people that kill each other with them usually dont register them. The people that register them, and own them legaly, are a small percentage of the ones who use guns for crime. And 65% huh? Well, we have this silly little thing called law which says that we have the right to own them. I know, its crazy talk, but its true...imagine that.

I'm not saying you dont have a right to own them, it's just that it seems that a lot of people are owning guns just because it is their 'right' to do so. It is also your right to drive down the road in a small blue Honda singing "God Save the Queen" whilst wearing a suit and a blue wig. You have the COMPLETE right to do so.

So why do people have guns? Maybe it's not because of 'rights' at all.

What? What the fuck are you talking about? Oh, maybe when I argued that there are things that can be made cheaper that way as well as more expensively. Too bad nobody even understood what the fuck I was talking about. You wont sway my opinion on anything, im sure.

It's true, things are made one hell of a lot cheaper that way, and things are made more expensively. It just happens that with Nike shoes, it is very much cheaper to make them in Indonesia. It also happens that in doing this, there are a lot of human rights abuses. It's cheaper, yeah, but I dont believe the money can justify that amount of human rights abuse.

About owning guns:
It creates an honesty factor. If citizens all have guns; many of the criminals will think twice before doing something stupid. Crime will never go away. And the gun owners that im talking about own these guns legally, and have them registered through the local police station. Taking away the guns only takes them from citizens, not criminals. Crime is here to stay, and so this is a reasonable thing.

At 12/29/03 02:17 PM, BWS wrote: About owning guns:
It creates an honesty factor. If citizens all have guns; many of the criminals will think twice before doing something stupid. Crime will never go away. And the gun owners that im talking about own these guns legally, and have them registered through the local police station. Taking away the guns only takes them from citizens, not criminals. Crime is here to stay, and so this is a reasonable thing.

Finally someone who is smart enough to realize what the world is really like. Everybody seems to think the world can be like Disney and be happy and crime free. Yeah right.

At 12/28/03 10:33 PM, BWS wrote:

At 12/28/03 10:29 PM, Oyster_Clock wrote:

At 12/21/03 05:28 PM, Forgat wrote: wait a minute, why is bush still president then?

Because america is filled with retards.

Yes. America is so stupid. They are all rednecks that have guns, like to drink whisky, and kill dirty sinners.

No. You are getting the whole country mixed up with just Texas. ;)

At 12/29/03 05:51 PM, 02LS1Z28 wrote: Finally someone who is smart enough to realize what the world is really like. Everybody seems to think the world can be like Disney and be happy and crime free. Yeah right.

Welcome to Brtain. Or France. or Germany. No guna, and no gun crime. I think we had <100 gunshot murders last year, and France and Germany had less than 300. The US has about 10,000+ a year. How does Gun Control work there?

At 12/29/03 06:07 PM, bumcheekcity wrote:

Welcome to Brtain. Or France. or Germany. No guna, and no gun crime. I think we had <100 gunshot murders last year, and France and Germany had less than 300. The US has about 10,000+ a year. How does Gun Control work there?

When relating things to each other, remember, there is causation and association. It isnt our gun laws, ok. I dont see why this is so goddamned difficult for you people. The guns that are usually used to kill people are not registered, and are illegal. It is criminals doing this, not citizens. The guns are always going to be acessible for criminals. This stat is not a causation; ever think that we have more shithole slums? Plus, we are a tad crazier it seems; American blood I suppose;)! Also, where did you get this stat?