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I've been making music for about a solid three years now and I find my music being haulted by what some call a music or writer's block (where everything you make either comes out sounding like shit or sounding like the same thing you've made hundreds of times). If anyone knows of any techniques or steps to get rid of this block, please explain.

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Try making a song in a new genre?

or even subgenre, should help a bit.

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I usually make hip hop and RnB and have recently tried making Trance and Rock, but everytime I go back to Hip Hop and RnB, it just comes out like shit or the same chords, scales and feeling my other beats have.

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Use a different scale.. If you use minor sales mainly, try a major scale, or use a harmonic or melodic minor scale.

Change the BPM.

Change the structure of the song if you continue to use a similar structure.

I' have to listen to your music to rally nderstand what you mean, but those are just some basic tips I can offer..


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I concur with lightkeeper. Just to elaborate on that, try to study different sub-genres within hip-hop that you aren't acquainted with yet. For example, can you wright a g-funk beat? if not, go study how its done. You will find that g-funk arises from oldschool funk music like parliament, so go back and study how thats done too (funk is just generally influential to hip-hop and worth understanding).

conversely, I notice quite a few hip-hop beats have a classic melody/harmony, so maybe consider writing some short, catchy classic pieces--maybe make some arpeggios out of a chord progression or whatever, and then sample those into your hip hop.

maybe you can just study the form of hiphop, from a theoretical perspective, and then see if you can come up with your own elaboration on that.

Listen to old school stuff, as far back as you have to go until your unfamiliar with what you're hearing


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I play electric guitar, and I was finding that my playing had plateued and I wasn't doing anything different. I was just playing the same riffs and the same patterns during solo's.

I found what helped was learning new things, i've started learning Jazz theory, it's been really challenging and i'm taking baby steps, but the things i've learnt in Jazz ive been able to apply to my rock playing.
I also find it helpful to just go somewhere outside and play my acoustic guitar, I live near a lake, so I go down and play by the lake.

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Oh and most importantly i think! Listen to lots of different types of music, listen to stuff that isn't your usual thing.

Someone showed me the Mars Volta, and at first i thought it was just noise and they were terrible, but i started to listen some more and they grew on me, and i found that as weird as they are, they are good musicians, and about a week later I had already written a song inspired by their music.

It wouldn't hurt to listen to some classical music, listen to the bass and the rhythm sections and hear what they are doing. It can be very useful.

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Wytenoize (cool name btw ;) ) I can so understand where you are coming from but please take the following in concideration. There was 1 sentince that just... made me realize that I have been in exactly the same position as you are in right now. You make music for a *solid 3 years* now as you describe in the question. That means that by now, you at least should know the basic, you know what you do, you know how it works, now its time to level up once more.

Do you realize, if you *make a track which sounds like you have done a 100 times before* that you actually reached something in which others FAIL. You created an own style, you are able to create that which has been done a 100, but by YOU not by us! So my advice would be, ADMIRE WHAT YOU CREATE and work it out! Make that thing which you have done a 100 times already and work it out into something new, which makes it different and let you level up once more!

You should be proud of what you have accomplished so far, cause 3/4 which where on the same ride with you and didnt succeed to reach that!

I hope that this gives you a bit more confident in what you are doing!


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At 1/6/09 09:55 AM, YouriX wrote: And if you still have writers block go to this link:
http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1 65371

You beat me to it :x

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Hmm..

Well, in my short experience I've learned a lot. The tracks I'm working on right now utilize every aspect I've learned so far. Good mastering, wise use of percussion, variation and stuff.

You say you've been in the music business for a long time, so a 'writer's block' will eventually come. It's inevitable, you run out of ideas and beats. I found the best way to get some inspiration is to listen to other people's tracks. Always listen to music. You'll always get the 'Hey! That sounds pretty nice, I could do something with that!' feeling. Not that you should directly copy stuff, but you get the idea.

Experiment in other genres. The more you know on music, the more you can mess around. Make hybrids, that is *always* a solution.

On the technical side, try other BPM standards, other mixer assets, instruments and more. Buy and install more VST's etc.

It's all the same - step away from what you're used to, and search for the unexpected. You can find inspiration everywhere, from your living room, to the park and even in your dreams.

Start up whatever program you use, click a random instrument, 'randomize' it, and make something. It doesn't have to sound good or even decent, just do stuff. Eventually you will find a solid beat, and go on with it.

That's all I have to say. I hope you'll be back to making music soon! :)

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Learn to play a new instrument. For years I was trumpet player, mired in mostly classical and jazz. Then I picked up guitar. If you work exclusively with turntables and sequencers, you might want to consider embracing older genres like Bebop. That's what Tribe Called Quest did and they're no worse for ware (although I heard the Abstract Philosopher has since become the Concrete Plebian).

That, or take drugs.

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I AM IN BIG TROUBLE!

This is the main problem holding me back from uploading all of my songs, the Newgrounds instructions say that we are not allowed to copy music sources and samples, as they are copywrited.
I have made many songs using the 'Music DJ' application on my phone, but as we all know, all of the music snipets (Four bars each.) are freely avaliable, so can we upload songs made from this item? Or do we have to use equipment on the computer. I don't have any, but I would love to upload my creations on my phone. If anyone knows the answer, please tell me asap. Thankyou VERY MUCH!

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At 1/6/09 07:24 AM, Carf wrote: Do you realize, if you *make a track which sounds like you have done a 100 times before* that you actually reached something in which others FAIL. You created an own style, you are able to create that which has been done a 100, but by YOU not by us! So my advice would be, ADMIRE WHAT YOU CREATE and work it out! Make that thing which you have done a 100 times already and work it out into something new, which makes it different and let you level up once more!

i think carf's got a good point.......if you have you're own style just continue on with it but make small tweaks here and there...eventually you'll have something different

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At 1/6/09 01:53 PM, Jakes-Exception wrote: I AM IN BIG TROUBLE!

This is the main problem holding me back from uploading all of my songs, the Newgrounds instructions say that we are not allowed to copy music sources and samples, as they are copywrited.
I have made many songs using the 'Music DJ' application on my phone, but as we all know, all of the music snipets (Four bars each.) are freely avaliable, so can we upload songs made from this item? Or do we have to use equipment on the computer. I don't have any, but I would love to upload my creations on my phone. If anyone knows the answer, please tell me asap. Thankyou VERY MUCH!

Jake

No you can't upload things you make with MusicDJ. It has to be completely yours. Making something out of loops doesn't even count as making music.

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Just do it differently.


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At 1/6/09 01:15 AM, WyteNoiz wrote: I've been making music for about a solid three years now and I find my music being haulted by what some call a music or writer's block (where everything you make either comes out sounding like shit or sounding like the same thing you've made hundreds of times). If anyone knows of any techniques or steps to get rid of this block, please explain.

Thank You

Try making a song leaving it letting it sit on your computer for a while and come back to it.

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If you want to write something in a specific genre but when you try it keeps turning out too similar, then try listening to a song in that genre that does it in a different way. Then try to pick out one (or multiple) things you like from it and try to do something in the same style (and if that comes out the same as before, try just directly copying it).

Then from there, build a new song on top of these ideas. It'll help you think about that genre in a different way, and you'll hear different things, because you won't be limited to your usual "starter" ideas.

ELO did this a lot with Beatles songs. They'd take a bar or two from a Beatles song, but then make a new song out of it. Listen to the bridge in "Day in the Life" by the Beatles and compare it to the beginning of "Mr. Blue Sky" by ELO. (And IIRC, the Beatles did the same from other songs too).

Don't be afraid you're "stealing". As long as you are adding lots of new ideas to it, and taking it in a bit of a different direction, then it's a great way to get inspiration.


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Like I tell everyone who comes to me with this problem: Do a cover!

Find a song you really like and do your own take on it. It will definitely get the creative juices flowing again. Works for me every time.

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There are a few more good tips in here.

I mean, the words "writer's block" were in the page, you could have at least TRY to check if it's there...

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At 1/6/09 09:55 AM, YouriX wrote: And if you still have writers block go to this link:
http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1 65371

i owe this man a blow job. i've just escape the block :D

AWESOME. i've been making shit for the past few weejs >:-[


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whats with all the hip-hop people suddenly getting writers block?

I could say something really mean along these lines but I consider myself above that :P

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At 8/28/09 11:43 AM, Chronamut wrote: whats with all the hip-hop people suddenly getting writers block?

I could say something really mean along these lines but I consider myself above that :P

Hey hey hey, I have a legit reason for having writer's block. Besides, my thread is more recent. :D

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try penning some rhymes that are as cryptic as finnegans wake, learn reaktor or something new and utilize it. then youll have no block, while ingesting something that catylizes imagination

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At 8/28/09 12:44 PM, unownedJR wrote: try penning some rhymes that are as cryptic as finnegans wake, learn reaktor or something new and utilize it. then youll have no block, while ingesting something that catylizes imagination

Rhymes aren't what I'm blocked with. I just wrote some sick shit last night. It's production that I have issues with atm. It's just to the point where I've done so much that I'm just out of ideas.

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As retarded as it sounds, just take a break and chill the fuck out from making music ;)

I got fed up with my tracks, so I went outside for a couple hours and just laid on the ground looking at the sky. Kinda feel the inspiration kickin in now ;)

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At 8/28/09 02:47 PM, Argyros wrote: As retarded as it sounds, just take a break and chill the fuck out from making music ;)

I did that - it lasted 6 months.

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At 8/28/09 02:49 PM, Chronamut wrote:
At 8/28/09 02:47 PM, Argyros wrote: As retarded as it sounds, just take a break and chill the fuck out from making music ;)
I did that - it lasted 6 months.

lmfao
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At 8/28/09 02:55 PM, Argyros wrote:
At 8/28/09 02:49 PM, Chronamut wrote:
At 8/28/09 02:47 PM, Argyros wrote: As retarded as it sounds, just take a break and chill the fuck out from making music ;)
I did that - it lasted 6 months.
lmfao
Did it work?

ya.. sadly sometimes inspiration takes a long time to come back - or you just stretch yourself too thin - it wasnt really writers block for me - it was more I had too many things to do an I kind of felt directionless as to WHY I was submitting whenso many forces were working against me getting noticed by the general public of newgrounds these days,...

I basically said forget it to ever seeing any of my music on the charts ever agin.. fuckers..

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