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At 1/9/09 12:25 PM, morefngdbs wrote: The only good thing about virginity ...is that its easily 'cured'.

The really bad thing about virginity...is you will have a better time playing with yourself , than you'll have "breaking in" (sorry I know it's not the best description) your virgin partner.

'Saving yourself' is just a cop out.
Saving yourself from what....having a pleasurable experience ?
Abstinence...Why, because someone tells you 'its wrong not to wait' !

So you wait...until your married, sex with you is going to be unimaginative at best. But I suppose if the other partner was intelligent enough to get laid a couple of times he can 'train' you in ways he likes. So that when you divorce....you'll have something to bring into the bedroom with husband #2 .

I'm saving myself from a shitload of stuff. STD's, pregnancy (comdoms DO break), and the heartache I've seen so many endure. And, yes, the first few times could be better, but my husband and I can explore and discover new things together, which to me is very special. I will never get devorced, ever. The biggest reason you would is if you married someone "Just for the sex" and are still too immature to actualy have a relationship.

At 1/9/09 12:45 PM, iloveTyler wrote: I'm saving myself from a shitload of stuff. STD's, pregnancy (comdoms DO break), and the heartache I've seen so many endure. And, yes, the first few times could be better, but my husband and I can explore and discover new things together, which to me is very special. I will never get devorced, ever. The biggest reason you would is if you married someone "Just for the sex" and are still too immature to actualy have a relationship.

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I never intended to get a divorce either...but
Come home from work early & catch your spouse in bed with someone else, that changed my mind.
DOn't get me wrong she loved her new car, & our new home, her solid oak kitchen...
She just got lonely while i was away working to pay for it ...L O L !

Unwanted pregnancy is easily fixed.
STD's are not as common, or as prevelent ,when you make sure to use safe sexual practices.
On a closing note....
You decide, because your now married, to have sex...What if your new husbands already got the dose baby?
What you never considered your husband's claims to be a virgin as well...might not ...umm 'be truthful' . <gasp>
So tell me how's the weather up there in La La Land ,where you obviously resdie.

At 1/9/09 12:55 PM, morefngdbs wrote:

At 1/9/09 12:45 PM, iloveTyler wrote:

I never intended to get a divorce either...but
Come home from work early & catch your spouse in bed with someone else, that changed my mind.
DOn't get me wrong she loved her new car, & our new home, her solid oak kitchen...
She just got lonely while i was away working to pay for it ...L O L !

Unwanted pregnancy is easily fixed.
STD's are not as common, or as prevelent ,when you make sure to use safe sexual practices.
On a closing note....
You decide, because your now married, to have sex...What if your new husbands already got the dose baby?
What you never considered your husband's claims to be a virgin as well...might not ...umm 'be truthful' . <gasp>
So tell me how's the weather up there in La La Land ,where you obviously resdie.

I'm sorry you had a divorce, it's not fun for anybody. I am pro-life and will never get an abortion, even if i got pregnant from being raped. I do know that the guy I care about now...well... he made some mistakes years ago. But you can not change your past and I don't hold it against him. We hope and pray that we'll get married, and whether we do or not we want God's blessing. Just because a guy didn't wait doesn't mean he's somehow 'tainted' and can't be redeemed. My God forgives, and He has the power to change people. And even if I did want to have sex now, my Marine Corps father and brother would object I'm sure. My brother is very protective of me and will take down a guy who even looks at me wrong. So I may be in 'la la land', but from up here I can see that it's time for your next joint.

At 1/9/09 01:17 PM, iloveTyler wrote: I'm sorry you had a divorce, it's not fun for anybody.

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Actually I had a kick ass party with too much of everything & my buddies brought in hookers when my Divorce was granted.

I am pro-life and will never get an abortion, even if i got pregnant from being raped.

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So your saying premarital sex for you is possible. But it has to be a rape, & you'll keep the baby.
That's so romantic. I wonder if your Marine general father & your brother colonel what's his face, will feel like if you ever present them with a grandbaby/nephew like that.
How will you feel about dad's visitation rights when he gets out of jail (I'm assuming you'll have him charged...)

So I may be in 'la la land', but from up here I can see that it's time for your next joint.

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Actually it's not 5 o clock yet.
But my Martini glass is standing by & I'm already logged onto Poker S#@&'s
Would you mind if i just used my pipe ?

At 1/9/09 03:23 PM, morefngdbs wrote:

At 1/9/09 01:17 PM, iloveTyler wrote:

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Actually I had a kick ass party with too much of everything & my buddies brought in hookers when my Divorce was granted.
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So your saying premarital sex for you is possible. But it has to be a rape, & you'll keep the baby.
That's so romantic. I wonder if your Marine general father & your brother colonel what's his face, will feel like if you ever present them with a grandbaby/nephew like that.
How will you feel about dad's visitation rights when he gets out of jail (I'm assuming you'll have him charged...)

I would give the baby up for adoption, and my family would be very supportive of me. My sister was almost forced to have an abortion by her cancer doctors but chose life for her baby and we're all very proud of her. And don't you dare insult my Marines. If I knew where you were I'd come kick your ass right now for being such an asshole. I'm in a military family so I was raised to not take shit from anyone and I won't.

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Actually it's not 5 o clock yet.
But my Martini glass is standing by & I'm already logged onto Poker S#@&'s
Would you mind if i just used my pipe ?

Go ahead, any drugs will make you sound smarter.

At 1/9/09 03:42 PM, iloveTyler wrote: Go ahead, any drugs will make you sound smarter.

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There's nothing out there that can help you get smarter.
You all ready know it all.
Who of thunk it ( yeah , I spelt it wrong)
A person with no experience in with sex, telling the rest of us 'just how great that is'

Are you sure your not Pox Powers new alt?

At 1/9/09 04:02 PM, morefngdbs wrote:

At 1/9/09 03:42 PM, iloveTyler wrote:

There's nothing out there that can help you get smarter.
You all ready know it all.
Who of thunk it ( yeah , I spelt it wrong)
A person with no experience in with sex, telling the rest of us 'just how great that is'

Are you sure your not Pox Powers new alt?

I'm not telling you 'just how great it is' I'm telling you how great it feels for me to be pure. I know people who have waited 'till marriage and people who didn't, they all tell me that either because they waited their wedding night was amazing or they wished they would have waited and are reaping the concequences of sex before marriage.

I'm not telling anyone how to live their life, I'm just sayin' this is the choice I've made and I believe its a good one. You've probably heard the phrase 'good things come to those who wait', and its true. My parents waited and this February will be their 25th anniversary. I want to follow their example.

At 1/9/09 04:27 PM, iloveTyler wrote:

Are you sure your not Pox Powers new alt?

I'm not telling you 'just how great it is' I'm telling you how great it feels for me to be pure

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Laughing my ass off right now....sorry, but who ever lied to you & told you that some how having your hymen intact makes you pure ? if it's even still intact, it can be poped by lot's of different ways that has nothing to do with sex with some poor guy. But even so ...how does lack of sexual experience 'purify' someone LOOOO LLLL that really is hilarious

You've probably heard the phrase 'good things come to those who wait', and its true.

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The only thing you get by standing around waiting...is older. So unless your a bottle of wine that saying don't cut it at all.

At 1/9/09 04:27 PM, iloveTyler wrote: I'm not telling anyone how to live their life, I'm just sayin' this is the choice I've made and I believe its a good one. You've probably heard the phrase 'good things come to those who wait', and its true. My parents waited and this February will be their 25th anniversary. I want to follow their example.

My parents didn't, and they're coming up on 30.

You people all need to stop taking sex so seriously. If you're fixated on it, of course it's going to be a big deal. If it's just another aspect of your otherwise healthy relationship, and you treat it as such, you'll be fine. Sex should change nothing, other than the fact that you're having sex.

At 1/8/09 10:10 PM, iloveTyler wrote:

At 1/8/09 08:38 PM, Conspiracy3 wrote:

At 1/8/09 08:21 PM, iloveTyler wrote:

I tend to ignore religious justifications

Well then thats your problem not mine

Yes, but this forum has a very large atheist population so a religious justification won't get you very far here.

Just like you would be using the guy if you marry him? How is there any heart ache? You both get sex and leave. What's wrong with that?

You don't understand what happens in a womans heart. I have friends who didn't wait and they have shared with me the deep hurt that comes with pre-marital sex

That is exactly why you need to learn to abandon emotion and function on logic alone.

Children are overrated. I recommend getting a vasectomy/having your tubes tied

Thats your opinion and I can respect that, but Tyler and I both love kids and I want three, he wants four

You shouldn't have more than one kid. The world is overpopulated. If people have more than one kid then the population will either stabilize or increase. That is the last thing the world needs.

So in other words you are a slave?

Not at all. My father slaved for years to put food on the table and help raise me, the least I can do is respect him enough to let him have his God-given right

Just like a slave master would get food to keep his slaves alive?

All guys are just in it for the sex. Some guys try to hide it some don't. Not having sex with a guy you are dating is akin to robbery.

I'm sorry you're so ignorant. If all guys are "just in it for the sex" then no one would get married and everyone would be living just for the sake of having sex and being a slut

If you actually believe this then Tyler must be really good at hiding it. I don't bother hiding it at all. My pickup line is "nice shoes, wanna fuck?"

Yes, the second you get married your spouse is immediately cured of all STDs so there is no risk.

BTW - Condoms are your friends

News flash: Condoms break! The only thing that makes you fully protected is simply not having sex

But, you will still end up having sex when you are married. So how do you know that Tyler doesn't have an STD? You don't. For all you know he could have twenty girls on the side.

Condoms do break, but they work over 99% of the time.

Weddings are a waste of money. Romance doesn't exist. Being a virgin is a bad thing.

If thats what you think, fine. Let me see if I can explain this to someone so immature... romance does exist, but its when the honeymoon is over that and it starts to wear off that you need to grow up and make it work. Sorry but I'm proud to be a virgin

How am I immature? You are just simply a troll who has way too much faith in humanity (as much of a paradox as that sounds.) You still haven't proven to me that romance exists. If you are proud to be a virgin (i'm assuming for religious reasons) then that is fine, but don't try to convert us to that ideology.

Hey, if you have both reached an agreement I'm not going to criticize that. What you do/don't do in the privacy of your bedroom is no one's business (as long as it's consensual)

He and I have decided we're not even going to put ourselves in situations where sex could happen. It's easy to have sex all the time and be a whore, but it takes quite a bit of self dicipline to stay pure. If you think having sex makes you look cool or some shit like that then I'm sorry you're so immature

Having sex all the time does not make you a whore. Having sex for money does. However, in our society it is a standard for men to give a woman gifts (or even just buy her a drink) for sex, so almost all sex in the USA is prostitution. How exactly am I immature? You are the one who thinks that there is some sort of Disney-like romance in the world and not just sex and money. You sound like a five year old girl who has watched Disney movies way too often.

Seeing both a good, healthy marriage and a horrible one, i think that there are females out there to get money, sex, and shelter. NOTHING ELSE.
there are many benefits to reap from this, if it is not abused marriage can be a good thing.

At 1/9/09 07:48 PM, westonsarver wrote: Seeing both a good, healthy marriage and a horrible one, i think that there are females out there to get money, sex, and shelter. NOTHING ELSE.

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So you'll agree with me when I say that marriage is just legalized prostitution. After all your getting sex & she's getting paid for it. ;)

Prostitution as sactioned by the church, now that's a great reason to keep yourself 'pure' L O L

I would reply to you all as I have a lot of ammo I could throw at you but, simply, none of you are worth my time. As I said earlier I happen to have a LIFE outside the internet and have actual friends that I can have civilised conversations with. Think what you want, but I am who I am and I'm saving sex for my wedding night. God gave us free will and this is my choice. I'm not a troll and I'm not brain washed, I'm just me. Y'all have a nice day.

At 1/10/09 01:19 AM, iloveTyler wrote: I would reply to you all as I have a lot of ammo I could throw at you but, simply, none of you are worth my time. As I said earlier I happen to have a LIFE outside the internet and have actual friends that I can have civilised conversations with. Think what you want, but I am who I am and I'm saving sex for my wedding night. God gave us free will and this is my choice. I'm not a troll and I'm not brain washed, I'm just me. Y'all have a nice day.

Marriage may have a lot of ammo but anti-marraige is against your fucking ammo! So please leave your christian ways why don't you turn something more suited for you like satanism or ronald mcdonald worship. I also don't do drrugs Lady stop having a superiority complex over us because we are obviously more superior than you!

At 1/5/09 09:00 AM, Masterzakk wrote: Women only care about 2 things marriage and sex.

Right, women aren't a large group of people that are complex and unique to their individual needs....

At 1/10/09 10:45 AM, Masterzakk wrote

more superior

The irony is killing me.

At 1/10/09 01:19 AM, iloveTyler wrote: I would reply to you all as I have a lot of ammo I could throw at you but, simply, none of you are worth my time. As I said earlier I happen to have a LIFE outside the internet and have actual friends that I can have civilised conversations with. Think what you want, but I am who I am and I'm saving sex for my wedding night. God gave us free will and this is my choice. I'm not a troll and I'm not brain washed, I'm just me. Y'all have a nice day.

Finally I found someone who actually agrees with me on these issues! I agree with you on your pro-life stance and your position on sex before marriage. And for all those idiots who think sex is just sex and not something intimate that should be shared with the person you love you need to rethink your perspective.

You people all suck at relationships.

At 1/10/09 10:27 PM, Conspiracy3 wrote: At 1/10/09 10:45 AM, Masterzakk wrote

more superior

The irony is killing me.

Hey asshole I thought you was on my side!

At 1/11/09 01:02 AM, Elfer wrote: You people all suck at relationships.

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Oh, I don't know about that Elfer.
My relationship is over 5 years old, we're still in love, spend most of our time together & she's my best friend. Thank the Gods we didn't wait until we got married to have sex. Sleeping with her every night trying to keep my hands off her , until/if we decide to get married would be tough.
So if our happy productive, relationship falls into your discription & you do say ALL of us...
if what I've just written sucks...then you are right.

I'm still happy though :)

At 1/11/09 02:00 PM, Masterzakk wrote:

At 1/10/09 10:27 PM, Conspiracy3 wrote: At 1/10/09 10:45 AM, Masterzakk wrote

more superior

The irony is killing me.

Hey asshole I thought you was on my side!

I am, but I compulsively argue against everyone I see, even if they are on my side.

At 1/11/09 04:23 PM, Conspiracy3 wrote:

At 1/11/09 02:00 PM, Masterzakk wrote:

At 1/10/09 10:27 PM, Conspiracy3 wrote: At 1/10/09 10:45 AM, Masterzakk wrote

Hey asshole I thought you was on my side!

I am, but I compulsively argue against everyone I see, even if they are on my side.

But then who'll be on your side after you've argued everyone's ear off? :P

At 1/11/09 10:21 PM, Dawnslayer wrote:
But then who'll be on your side after you've argued everyone's ear off? :P

Hopefully no one.

The existence of masochists make that outcome an impossibility.

marrige is pointless. oh i love you turns into i hate you. marriage should only be a means to gain the family's money and land, as it was created for in the first place.

At 1/12/09 07:06 AM, HogWashSoup wrote: marrige is pointless. oh i love you turns into i hate you. marriage should only be a means to gain the family's money and land, as it was created for in the first place.

EXACTLY!!!! IloveTyler you are a shitty manipulator now shut the fuck up and don't come back mkay this place is for intellectials which is not limited to crappy spelling.

At 1/12/09 02:36 AM, metalskull25 wrote: The existence of masochists make that outcome an impossibility.

This is what the "reply and quote" button is for. What the hell are you talking about?