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America, leader of the free world? 2003-12-17 20:17:16 Reply

Then perhaps someone could explain why it voted against the following UN resolutions?

1978
Dec. 15 33/75 119-2 (US, Israel)
Urges the Security Council, especially its permanent members, to take all necessary measures for insuring UN decisions on the maintenance of international peace and security.
Dec. 18 33/110 110-2 (US, Israel)
Living conditions of the Palestinian people
Dec. 18 33/113C 97-3 (US, Israel, Guatemala)
Condemnation of Israeli human rights record in occupied territories
Dec. 19 33/136 119-1 (US)
Calls upon developed countries to increase quantity and quality of development assistance to underdeveloped countries.

1979
Jan. 24 33/183M 114-3 (US, France, UK)
To end all military and nuclear collaboration with South Africa
Jan. 29 33/196 111-1 (US)
Protectionism of developing countries' exports
Nov. 23 34/46 136-1 (US)
Alternate approaches within the UN system for improving the enjoyment of human rights and fundamental freedoms
Nov. 23 34/52E 121-3 (US, Israel, Australia)
Return of inhabitants expelled by Israel.
Dec. 11 34/83J 120-3 (US, UK, France)
Negotiations on disarmament and cessation of nuclear arms race.
Dec. 12 34/90A 111-2 (US, Israel)
Demand that Israel desist from certain human rights violations
Dec. 12 34/93D 132-3 (US, UK, France)
Strengthening arms embargo against South Africa
Dec. 12 34/93I 134-3 (US, UK, France)
Assistance to the oppressed people of South Africa and their liberation movement.
Dec. 14 34/100 104-2 (US, Israel)
Against support for intervention in the internal or external affairs of States.
Dec. 14 34/113 120-2 (US, Israel)
Request for report on the living conditions of Palestinians in occupied Arab countries.
Dec. 14 34/133 112-3 (US, Israel, Canada)
Assistance to Palestinian people.
Dec. 14 34/136 118-2 (US, Israel)
Sovereignty over national resources in occupied Arab territories.
Dec. 17 34/158 121-2 (US, Israel)
Prepare and carry out the UN Conference on Women
Dec. 17 34/160 122-2 (US, Israel)
Include Palestinian women in agenda of UN Conference on Women
Dec. 19 34/199 112-1 (US)
Safeguarding rights of developing countries in multinational trade negotiations

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1980
Nov. 3 35/13E 96-3 (US, Israel, Canada)
Requests Israel to return displace persons.
Dec. 5 35/57 134-1 (US)
Establishment of a New International Economic Order to promote the growth of underdeveloped countries and international economic co-operation.
Dec. 5 35/75 118-2 (US, Israel)
Condemns Israeli policy re the living conditions of Palestinian people.
Dec. 11 35/119 134-3 (US, UK, France)
Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples.
Dec. 11 35/122C 118-2 (US, Israel)
Israeli human rights practices in occupied territories. [Same day, similar resolutions,
35/122E -- 119-2 vote, and 35/122F -- 117-2]
Dec. 11 35/136 132-3 (US, Israel, Canada)
Endorse Program of Action for Second Half of UN Decade for Women
Dec. 12 35/145A 111-2 (US, UK)
Cessation of all nuclear test explosions
Dec. 12 35/154 110-2 (US, Albania)
Declaration of non-use of nuclear weapons against non-nuclear states.
Dec. 15 35/169C 120-3 (US, Israel, Australia)
Rights of Palestinians
Dec. 15 35/174 120-1 (US)
Emphasising that the development of nations and individuals is a human right.
Dec. 16 35/206J 137-3 (US, UK, France)
Assistance to oppressed people of South Africa and their national liberation movement.

1981
Oct. 28 36/12 145-1 (US)
Anti-racism; condemns apartheid in South Africa and Namibia
Oct. 28 36/13 124-1 (US)
Condemns collaboration of certain States and transnational corporations with the South African regime
Oct. 28 36/15 114-2 (US, Israel)
Demand that Israel cease excavations of certain sites in E. Jerusalem
Nov. 9 36/18 123-1 (US)
To promote co-operative movements in developing countries (agricultural, savings and credits, housing, consumer protection, social services, etc.)
Nov. 9 36/19 126-1 (US)
The right of every state to choose its economic and social system in accord with the will of its people, without outside interference in whatever form it takes
Nov. 13 36/27 109-2 (US, Israel)
Condemns Israel for its bombing of an Iraqi nuclear installation
Dec. 1 36/68 133-3 (US, UK, Guatemala)
Condemns activities of foreign economic interests in colonial territories
Dec. 4 36/73 109-2 (US, Israel)
Condemns Israeli policy re living conditions of the Palestinian people
Dec. 9 36/84 118-2 (US, UK)
Cessation of all test explosions of nuclear weapons
Dec. 9 36/87B 107-2 (US, Israel)
Establishment of a nuclear-weapon free zone in the Middle East
Dec. 9 36/92J 78-3 (US, Canada, Brazil)
World-wide action for collecting signatures in support of measures to prevent nuclear war, curb the arms race and promote disarmament
Dec. 9 36/96B 109-1 (US)
Urges negotiations on prohibition of chemical and biological weapons
Dec. 9 36/98 101-2 (US, Israel)
Demands Israelis renounce possession of nuclear weapons
Dec. 10 36/120A 121-2 (US, Israel)
Rights of the Palestinian people
Dec. 10 36/120B 119-3 (US, Israel, Canada)
Palestinian rights
Dec. 10 36/120E 139-2 (US, Israel)
Status of Jerusalem
Dec. 14 36/133 135-1 (US)
Declares that education, work, health care, proper nourishment, national development, etc. are human rights
Dec. 16 36/146A 141-2 (US, Israel)
Palestinian refugees in the Gaza Strip
Dec. 16 36/146B 121-3 (US, Israel, Canada)
Rights of displaced Palestinians to return to their homes
Dec. 16 36/146C 117-2 (US, Israel)
Revenues derived from Palestinian refugees' properties
Dec.16 36/146G 119-2(US, Israel)
Establishment of University of Jerusalem for Palestinian refugees
Dec. 16 36/147C 111-2 (US,Israel)
Israeli violations of human rights in occupied territories
Dec. 16 36/147F 114-2 (US,Israel)
Condemns Israeli closing of universities in occupied territories
Dec. 16 36/149B 147-2 (US,Israel)
Calls for the establishment of a new and more just world information and communications order
Dec. 16 36/150 139-2 (US,Israel)
Opposes Israel's decision to build a canal linking the Mediterranean Sea to the Dead Sea
Dec. 17 36/172C 136-1 (US)
Condemns aggression by South Africa against Angola and other African states.
Dec. 17 36/172H 129-2 (US, UK)
To organize an international conference of trade unions on sanctions against South Africa
Dec. 17 36/172L 126-2 (US, UK)
To encourage various international actions against South Africa
Dec. 17 36/172N 139-1(US)
Support of sanctions and other measures against South Africa
Dec. 17 36/172O 138-1 (US)
Cessation of further foreign investments and loans for South Africa
Dec. 17 36/173 115-2 (US,Israel)
Permanent sovereignty over national resources in occupied Palestine and other Arab territories
Dec. 17 36/226B 121-2 (US,Israel)
Non-applicability of Israeli law over the Golan Height
Dec. 18 36/234B 127-1 (US)
UN accounting changes for 1980-1

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Response to America, leader of the free world? 2003-12-17 20:23:45 Reply

1982 [only solitary US votes]
Oct. 28 37/7 111-1
World Charter for protection of the ecology
Nov. 15 37/11 136-1
Setting up UN conference on succession of states in respect to state property, archives, and debts
Dec. 3 37/47 124-1
Appeal for universal ratification of the convention on the suppression and punishment of apartheid
Dec. 9 37/69E 141-1
Promoting international mobilization against apartheid
Dec. 9 37/69G 138-1
Drafting of international convention against apartheid in sports
Dec. 9 37/69H 134-1
Cessation of further foreign investments and loans for South Africa
Dec. 9 37/73 111-1
Need for a comprehensive nuclear-test-ban treaty
Dec. 9 37/78A 114-1
Request to US and USSR to transmit a status report on their nuclear arms negotiations [USSR abstained]
Dec. 9 37/83 138-1
Prevention of arms race in outer space
Dec. 10 37/94B 131-1
Support of UNESCO's efforts to promote a new world information and communications order
Dec. 13 37/98A 95-1
Necessity of a convention on the prohibition of chemical and bacteriological weapons
Dec. 16 37/103 113-1
Development of the principles and norms of international law relating to the new economic order
Dec. 17 37/131 129-1
Measures concerning the UN Joint Staff Pension Board, including prevention of exclusion of certain UN employees
Dec. 17 37/137 146-1
Protection against products harmful to health and the environment
Dec. 18 37/199 131-1
Declares that education, work, health care, proper nourishment, national development, etc. are human rights
Dec. 20 37/204 141-1
Motion for a review of the implementation of the Charter of Economic Rights and Duties of States
Dec. 21 37/237/XI 132-1
Adequacy of the conference facilities of the Economic Commission for Africa at Addis Ababa
Dec. 21 37/251 146-1
Development of the energy resources of developing countries
Dec. 21 37/252 124-1
Restructuring international economic relations toward establishing a new international economic order

1983
Nov. 22 38/19 110-1
International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid
Nov. 22 38/25 131-1
The right of every state to choose its economic and social system in accord with the will of its people, without outside interference in whatever form it takes
Dec. 5 38/39E 149-1
Disseminating material and organizing conferences in the campaign against apartheid
Dec. 5 38/39I 140-1
Urges the Security Council to consider sanctions against South Africa as a protest against apartheid
Dec. 5 38/39K 145-1
Authorizes the International Convention against Apartheid in Sports to continue its consultations
Dec. 15 38/70 147-1
Outer space should be used for peaceful purposes; prevention of an arms race in outer space
Dec. 16 38/124 132-1
Declares that education, work, health care, proper nourishment, national development, etc. are human rights
Dec. 19 38/128 110-1
Development of the principles and norms of international law relating to the new world economic order
Dec. 19 38/150 137-1
Transport and communications Decade in Africa
Dec. 20 38/182 116-1
Prohibition of the development and manufacture of new types and systems of weapons of mass destruction
Dec. 20 38/183M 133-1
Requests nuclear-arms States to submit to General Assembly annual reports on measures taken for prevention of nuclear war and reversing the arms race
Dec. 20 38/187A 98-1
Urges intensification of negotiations to achieve an accord on a prohibition of chemical and bacteriological weapons
Dec. 20 38/188G 113-1
Requests a study on the naval arms race
Dec. 20 38/188H 132-1
Independent Commission on Disarmament and Security Issues
Dec. 20 38/202 126-1
Strengthening the capacity of the UN to respond to natural and other disasters

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Response to America, leader of the free world? 2003-12-17 20:27:48 Reply

Yeah so I'm guessing you get the idea by now, the full list can be found in William Blum's Killing Hope as well as online although the list only goes up to late 1996. http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/USvsWorldUN_WBlum.html

As I was saying, what do you think justified the US to vote against these resolutions?

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Response to America, leader of the free world? 2003-12-17 20:29:16 Reply

because they can?

because they want to lead by example?

no, prolly kos, a world in chaos is theirs for the taking..

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Response to America, leader of the free world? 2003-12-17 22:08:34 Reply

We come in peace, mean you no harm and want to bring freedom to the oppressed ppl of...Plastien, South Africa. We only wan to put bombs in space, make more nukes and more chem/bio weapons to the safety of the world.


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Response to America, leader of the free world? 2003-12-17 22:52:09 Reply

At 12/17/03 08:27 PM, punk_shithead wrote:

You honestly expect people to read through all that garbage? Sum it up already. If you can't organize your thoughts, why should anyone listen to you?

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Response to America, leader of the free world? 2003-12-17 22:58:10 Reply

US voted against helping oppressed africans in Africa weho were being oppressed by the white government. They voted against anything to do with helping Palestien. They voted no on weapons treaties including space, no use of nukes on non-nuke countries and bio weapons. They also say health care and education shouldnt be human rights.


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Response to America, leader of the free world? 2003-12-17 23:07:12 Reply

At 12/17/03 10:52 PM, adrshepard wrote:
At 12/17/03 08:27 PM, punk_shithead wrote:
You honestly expect people to read through all that garbage? Sum it up already. If you can't organize your thoughts, why should anyone listen to you?

k, I'm sorry for assuming that people can read than more one sentence. >:\

Uh-oh this is too long already.

*takes ritalin*

Just read the friggin list already. Basically, the US is almost always the one voting against UN resolutions like alternate approaches within the UN system for improving the enjoyment of human rights and fundamental freedoms, include Palestinian women in agenda of UN Conference on Women or establishment of a New International Economic Order to promote the growth of underdeveloped countries and international economic co-operation.

Is that short enough? >:\

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Response to America, leader of the free world? 2003-12-17 23:07:40 Reply

At 12/17/03 08:17 PM, punk_shithead wrote: Then perhaps someone could explain why it voted against the following UN resolutions?

So, whats your point? Why cant they vote against something? It is a vote, correct? I think I know what youre getting at, so, get at it.

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Response to America, leader of the free world? 2003-12-17 23:12:49 Reply

At 12/17/03 11:07 PM, BWS wrote: Why cant they vote against something? It is a vote, correct?

Anyone can vote any way they want but did you take a close look at each and every one of those resolution voting outcomes? Almost always the US was alone to vote "no" on resolutions that would promote less nuclera warfare, more economic equality with third world and developed countries. Sometimes it was joined by Israel and/or some other random country.

How does this help promote justice, freedom, world peace, equality and everything that the U.S. government claims to be spreading around the world?

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Response to America, leader of the free world? 2003-12-17 23:16:17 Reply

At 12/17/03 08:29 PM, Judge_Dredd wrote: no, prolly kos, a world in chaos is theirs for the taking..

Remind me to get you something extra special for christmas this year.

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Response to America, leader of the free world? 2003-12-17 23:19:33 Reply

At 12/17/03 11:12 PM, punk_shithead wrote:

NO MAHD FAISE!!! =)

How does this help promote justice, freedom, world peace, equality and everything that the U.S. government claims to be spreading around the world?

Yes, it appears to for a pattern. Now, I dont know what all of these are for, nor do I care, but I will say one thing. There are many underlying circumstances that things like this would impose. Its not that they are out to fuck these people all the time; it may be that the costs simply outweigh the benefits. There are more variables involved than what the title may imply.
no mahd faise dammit

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Response to America, leader of the free world? 2003-12-17 23:20:56 Reply

I'll just use my phsycic powers to read the minds of everyone who was in an executive government positition since the UN's existance.

My mind scan tells me they voted against them for economical gain and because they are racist scumbags who hate non-christians except for the Jews who they are using to commited genocide so they can replace all the muslims with christians. I mean, it's not like any member of the US government has any common sense at all or ever has good reasons for thier actions.

I assume these are the same results you got from your mind scan punk?

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Response to America, leader of the free world? 2003-12-18 07:23:00 Reply

If the USA had simply agreed with everyone the UN has ever said, wouldn't that make the USA the "follower" of the free world, not the leader?

I don't think I see your point, assuming you have one.

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Response to America, leader of the free world? 2003-12-18 16:47:41 Reply

At 12/18/03 07:23 AM, NEMESiSZ wrote: I don't think I see your point, assuming you have one.

Look closely at the type of resolutions the US has voted against.

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Response to America, leader of the free world? 2003-12-18 16:53:57 Reply

At 12/17/03 11:20 PM, Jimsween wrote: they are racist scumbags who hate non-christians

K, thanks sherlock. Let me know when you have a real answer.
>:\

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Response to America, leader of the free world? 2003-12-18 16:55:15 Reply

At 12/18/03 04:47 PM, punk_shithead wrote:
At 12/18/03 07:23 AM, NEMESiSZ wrote: I don't think I see your point, assuming you have one.
Look closely at the type of resolutions the US has voted against.

so? why should i care if we show little mercy to the palestinians when they have been at war with the israelis for so long? and the other economic stuff; who cares if the US is vetoing the resolutions that take away our economic power? if i remember correctly you're a radical conservative, why would you care? i might just be thinking of someone else though. at any rate, it is what it is, we are helping israel and protecting our interests, what do you want from the government?

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Response to America, leader of the free world? 2003-12-18 16:58:20 Reply

At 12/18/03 04:53 PM, punk_shithead wrote:
At 12/17/03 11:20 PM, Jimsween wrote: they are racist scumbags who hate non-christians
K, thanks sherlock. Let me know when you have a real answer.
>:\

Haha, your pretty stupid if you didn't understand my post, which, judging from your reply, you didnt.

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Response to America, leader of the free world? 2003-12-18 17:25:47 Reply

At 12/18/03 04:55 PM, heyitsjohn wrote: and the other economic stuff;

"economic stuff"? >:\ do you even know what those economic resolutions were meatn to do?

i might just be thinking of someone else though.

I've yet to met a conservative punk rocker.

what do you want from the government?

Practicing what it preaches. (i.e. world peace, economic opportuinities, freedom, equality, etc.)

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Response to America, leader of the free world? 2003-12-18 17:30:07 Reply

At 12/18/03 04:58 PM, Jimsween wrote: Haha, your pretty stupid if you didn't understand my post, which, judging from your reply, you didnt.

K you said "they must have good reasons".

Then you failed to mention what reasons they might have or what would justify them always voting against resolutions that promote human rights, environmental protection, world peace, etc.

Did you notice that my first post had a question "then why did the U.S. vote against those resolutions?"
Your answer was "oh they must have good reasons"

Yeah no shit, care to explain those reasons?

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Response to America, leader of the free world? 2003-12-18 18:34:40 Reply

If the USA had simply agreed with everyone the UN has ever said, wouldn't that make the USA the "follower" of the free world, not the leader?

No, if they had supported the resolutions, then they could be considered part of the "free world". But they didn't, so they're not.

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Response to America, leader of the free world? 2003-12-18 18:53:47 Reply

At 12/18/03 06:34 PM, Slizor wrote: No, if they had supported the resolutions, then they could be considered part of the "free world". But they didn't, so they're not.

So I'm assuming every other UN nation has approved every UN resolution?

You don't know what you're talking about, you're as ill-informed as ever.

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Response to America, leader of the free world? 2003-12-18 19:10:20 Reply

At 12/18/03 05:30 PM, punk_shithead wrote:
At 12/18/03 04:58 PM, Jimsween wrote: Haha, your pretty stupid if you didn't understand my post, which, judging from your reply, you didnt.
K you said "they must have good reasons".

Then you failed to mention what reasons they might have or what would justify them always voting against resolutions that promote human rights, environmental protection, world peace, etc.

Did you notice that my first post had a question "then why did the U.S. vote against those resolutions?"
Your answer was "oh they must have good reasons"

Yeah no shit, care to explain those reasons?

My suspiscions about your intellegence have been confirmed. I'll ask you again to read my post, particularily the part where it mentions my phsycic mind reading powers. None of us could possibly know what thier reasons are, but no doubt they have them, and good ones at that.

Has it ever occoured to you that possibly the people in power know more than you about the world?

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Response to America, leader of the free world? 2003-12-18 19:28:53 Reply

At 12/18/03 06:53 PM, NEMESiSZ wrote: So I'm assuming every other UN nation has approved every UN resolution?

Feel free to prove us wrong with actual facts instead of sarcastic assumptions. (i.e. a list similar to the one introduced in the thread)

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Response to America, leader of the free world? 2003-12-18 19:32:30 Reply

At 12/18/03 07:28 PM, punk_shithead wrote:
At 12/18/03 06:53 PM, NEMESiSZ wrote: So I'm assuming every other UN nation has approved every UN resolution?
Feel free to prove us wrong with actual facts instead of sarcastic assumptions. (i.e. a list similar to the one introduced in the thread)

OH OH OH! Can anyone else see the massive amounts of irony just spewing from this statement? Reminds me of Christmass...

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Response to America, leader of the free world? 2003-12-18 19:34:53 Reply

At 12/18/03 07:10 PM, Jimsween wrote: Has it ever occoured to you that possibly the people in power know more than you about the world?

Yes, they might know more than you too. So for you to tell me that they must have good reasons without even knowing what they are is making assumptions without a basis. What makes you think that all those humanitarian resolutions that were voted against almost always only by the U.S. were somehow harming a greater good? If there was some sort of long-term plan that would benefit humanity by voting against humanitarian resolutions wouldn't all countries be voting against these for our sake?

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Response to America, leader of the free world? 2003-12-18 19:48:12 Reply

At 12/18/03 07:34 PM, punk_shithead wrote:
At 12/18/03 07:10 PM, Jimsween wrote: Has it ever occoured to you that possibly the people in power know more than you about the world?
Yes, they might know more than you too. So for you to tell me that they must have good reasons without even knowing what they are is making assumptions without a basis.

I have a basis, these people aren't completely morons, they wouldn't do something just because. If they voted against an environmental resolution, it's probably because it would have had too big of an effect on the economy to be worth it. Even if these people were all very very very stupid, which is unlikely considering how much they achieved, they wouldnt be stupid enough to do things without a good reason.

What makes you think that all those humanitarian resolutions that were voted against almost always only by the U.S. were somehow harming a greater good? If there was some sort of long-term plan that would benefit humanity by voting against humanitarian resolutions wouldn't all countries be voting against these for our sake?

Have you ever read a bill trying to pass the senate? They have hundreds of little clauses that all could be a big thing. Clinton came under fire for rejecting a bill that would pay all UN arrears one time, but he only did it because the bill had some clause that did a stupid thing like illegalize labor unions. You need to learn a few things about beauracracy kid, the world isn't just black and white.

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Response to America, leader of the free world? 2003-12-18 19:51:36 Reply

At 12/17/03 08:29 PM, Judge_Dredd wrote: because they can?

because they want to lead by example?

no, prolly kos, a world in chaos is theirs for the taking..

You make it sound like a bad thing. If you live in America, it sounds like a much better idea. Besides, we're tired of being pigeonholed as the only country to have ever used a nuke in war. We just don't want that nuke used on us.


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Response to America, leader of the free world? 2003-12-18 20:48:32 Reply

OK, they vote no on Palestien because of their buddy Isreal, so thats explained. They vote no on disclosing their nuke stockpile, obviously since its the hight of the Cold War. Accounting practice, Im assuming it would involve the dues they owed somehow.
Why vote against stopping the nuke arms race, chem/bio weapons, south africa, human rights? well i guees chem/nuke/space weapons was so they could kill Russia, but south africa and human rights, any explanations.


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