Punishment for Malvo

[diazepim]

Okay, you can think about punishing Saddam... but what kind of punishment for Malvo and Muhammed. Domestic terrorist scums.

Death is too swift and merciful for those two. Justice is not met with a death sentence...

I think torture should not be banned. Public torture should be used in these cases and broadcasted live on CNN and Fox...

You kill them, that's what they wanted in the first place... but if you torture them for a couple of weeks... and chop their arms and legs off along with their tongue... and have them live at the mercy and charity of others... I guarantee they will never do any harm to anyone else as long as they live...

Look at this, whoever, in Ohio doing the same damn thing.... if he saw a armless, legless, tongueless Malvo and Muhammed crawling in the street with on their hips and shoulders... I guarantee... US WILL be a safer place to live... because US government system is too kind to criminals...

America needs to pipe down on domestic terror... and go in with a blow torch and a pair of plyers... and go medieval on these whacked out lowlife scums of America.

Hell, you live better in the prison system than on the streets... you get warm food, medical attention and warm shelter... if you're whacked out.... who wouldn't want to do crime in the US.

.... finally sentence? Either break their necks so they are paralyzed or chop off their arms and legs... Death is too easy, not just enough.

[NEMESiSZ]

Regardless of your opinions, torture will never be legal in the USA, and that's a good thing. Justice isn't about injuring the unjust.

Malvo and Muhammad have shown they are a danger to society, and their crimes are particularly cruel and heinous; because of this, they should be executed by Virginia Commonwealth law.

[diazepim]

Public Executions... Torture chambers... is that really unconstitutional? What about justice and (I forget which amendment) that says the punishment should be equivocal to the crime.

Malvo... I think should be tortured and incapacitated in public, death is too kind... along with Muhammed.

[NEMESiSZ]

At 12/18/03 11:49 AM, diazepim wrote: Public Executions... Torture chambers... is that really unconstitutional?

Ahem, the eighth ammendment...

[bumcheekcity]

I have no idea about the ammendments, but public execution ius barbaric. Execution is not, in my opinion, as long as it is painless, but public execution and/or torture of any fdorm is DISGUSTING to the nth degree.

[diazepim]

How disgusting is sniping innocent people pumping gas? How disgusting is doing that with your son?

i'd guarantee the Ohio shooting now won't be going on if Malvo and Muhammed is hung at the Capital of W. Virginia for all to see.

That's one thing the old US had going against criminals.

Hell, Utah still has the firing squad for capital punishment.

[NEMESiSZ]

While we're at it, let's just kill everyone with AIDS, too - because hey, that would solve the problem.

Right?

[bumcheekcity]

At 12/18/03 12:44 PM, diazepim wrote: How disgusting is sniping innocent people pumping gas? How disgusting is doing that with your son?

Absolutely and uterly disgusting, but then so is torture. It doens't make it right.

Hell, Utah still has the firing squad for capital punishment.

Firing squad is fine. It isn't public though, is it?

[diazepim]

If it was my dad or mom killed by those two... I'll happily torture them. I don't want them dead though, I want them to live the rest of their lives repenting their vicious acts of... I don't even know if they had a cause or reason.... except for violence itself.

[diazepim]

At 12/18/03 01:22 PM, NEMESiSZ wrote: While we're at it, let's just kill everyone with AIDS, too - because hey, that would solve the problem.

Right?

People with AIDS are not out killing people out of malice. There was one person that knowingly infected 14 other girls.

But the girls in that case weren't innocent bystanders, they chose to have sex with him...

If you have AIDS and you rape people randomly... I'll bust out my blowtorch and pliers for some medieval action.

[bumcheekcity]

Just remember that two wrongs dont make a right.

[NEMESiSZ]

At 12/18/03 03:31 PM, diazepim wrote:

:I'll bust out my blowtorch and pliers for some medieval action.

You're one of the stupidest people here, seriously.

[takeit2themax]

They should drag the two of those mother fuckers down a freshly salted road with a fucking ferrari until they aren't black anymore.

[Jimsween]

At 12/18/03 03:34 PM, bumcheekcity wrote: Just remember that two wrongs dont make a right.

I'm just going to clarify something, this statement refers to revenge, a common misconseption by people is that doing something wrong to fix something wrong will never make a right, but that is false. WW2 made a right, putting people in jail often times makes a right, quarantining typhoid mary made a right. Now I'll stop hijacking this thread.

[FUNKbrs]

At 12/18/03 03:34 PM, bumcheekcity wrote: Just remember that two wrongs dont make a right.

That's funny, because in math class they taught us the "rule of signs" which basically states that (-1)(-1)=1. So then in fact, in the most basic and logical of ways, two wrongs DO make a right.

[Dark-Serpent]

It looks fairly likely that Malvo will be given the lethal injection. Personally I have no sympathy for Malvo. I belive he deserves the death penalty. Futhermore I think that whole story put forth by his defense that Malvo was brainwash by John Mohammed is complete bullshit!

[bumcheekcity]

At 12/19/03 11:12 AM, Dark_Serpent wrote: It looks fairly likely that Malvo will be given the lethal injection.

Good. People like that deserve to die, but no-one deserves torture.

[OpIvy420]

At 12/19/03 11:15 AM, bumcheekcity wrote: Good. People like that deserve to die, but no-one deserves torture.

It shouldn't be a matter of whether they deserve torture or not. By all counts, Malvo does deserve torture, but if we give our government the right to bring it upon them, then what kind of precedent is that setting? If Malvo is tortured, then by that logic, Saddam Hussein should be definately tortured. Then who's next? How long before we get rid of the lethal injection and replace it with public beheadings? The fact that the United States supports capital punishment is barbaric enough. If we start using torture, there really won't be a lot seperating the U.S. from the kinds of countries we like to invade.

[gerbilfromhellll]

"That's funny, because in math class they taught us the "rule of signs" which basically states that (-1)(-1)=1. So then in fact, in the most basic and logical of ways, two wrongs DO make a right."

well, that's because you're multiplying. you're SUPPOSED to be adding. because it's one wrong PLUS another one, not MULTIPLIED by another one. think of it this way, if you have done three 'wrongs', then do three more, is that 9 wrongs you've done? no, obviously not. it's 6. so you're ADDING

-1 + (-1)= -2

so, by your own logic, two wrongs do NOT make a right.

but back on topic:
to whoever started this topic:tje bill of rights bans 'cruel and unusual punishment'. it does NOT say, as far as i know, anywhere that the punishment must fit the crime. that's just some people's way of saying that there can be no cruel and unusual punishment in the US.

whether you may think that torture is perfectly suitable to what these people did, you must admit that it is indeed cruel. whether or not you think the cruelty is JUSTIFIED or not is your own opinion. and torture is OBVIOUSLY an unusual punishment.

so no, unless the consitution is changed (and if there's ever a large enough majority of people like that in congress, i fear for our country), torture will never be legal in our country.