American Zeitgeist

[Pacflip]

Has anyone seen American Zeitgeist?
Watch it for free at "watch-movies.net".
Click on the "80% said Good" one.
This blew my frickin' mind. Go! Watch it now!

[YanceyFerdinand]

I haven't seen the film but from what I've heard it seems enjoyable.

[MonkeyV]

I think most of Newgrounds has seen it.

Also, post a link next time.

[Pointy-Circle]

It's just "Zeitgeist," not American Zeitgeist.

[Pacflip]

At 12/27/08 09:15 PM, Pointy-Circle wrote: It's just "Zeitgeist," not American Zeitgeist.

Well, what'd ya think?
Isn't that crazy!
I mean the first part about religion

[Achilles2]

At 12/27/08 09:17 PM, Pacflip wrote: I mean the first part about religion

Extremely inaccurate, and this is coming from a person who has experienced first hand for years at a time most of the religions they mentioned.

Also, their 9/11 portion is very questionable. Just search up "Zeitgeist Rebuttal", because I'm too lazy to give a link here.

[Sekhem]

At 12/27/08 09:17 PM, Pacflip wrote:

At 12/27/08 09:15 PM, Pointy-Circle wrote: It's just "Zeitgeist," not American Zeitgeist.

Well, what'd ya think?
Isn't that crazy!
I mean the first part about religion

except it gets so many facts wrong that it's laughable (mostly about religion)

it's also a terrible propaganda film on par with loose change and other bullshit of the sort

[xKore]

Yes the movies are very unreliable, most of the sources seem to be fabricated or mis-quoted out of context, the movies have been debunked...

I mean, most people will watch it, be presented with amazing facts, and then take it as the truth without doing any research on what the guy has said.

[NewbleHeimer]

Zeitgeist seems to be the video that all angsty teens simultaneously cream themselves over, whilst slapping each-other firmly on the ass.

No, thanks. I'll stick to porn.

[Pacflip]

except it gets so many facts wrong that it's laughable (mostly about religion)

*cough*denial*cough*

[Pacflip]

At 12/27/08 09:24 PM, xKore wrote: Yes the movies are very unreliable, most of the sources seem to be fabricated or mis-quoted out of context, the movies have been debunked...

I mean, most people will watch it, be presented with amazing facts, and then take it as the truth without doing any research on what the guy has said.

You damn maniac!
I should debunk you!

[Earfetish]

At 12/27/08 10:15 PM, Pacflip wrote:

except it gets so many facts wrong that it's laughable (mostly about religion)

*cough*denial*cough*

I'm an atheist who is virulently anti-religion but it fucking does, it's just lie after lie.

It's ironic that a movie that tells you to question the status quo goes COMPLETELY UNRESEARCHED by it's fans, they've never even googled 'criticism of Zeitgeist' or even WIKIED Horus or whoever else it says has an identical story to Jesus.

[Chainsawasaurus]

First time I saw it I was like woah about the 911 part. I already knew alot about jesus not exactly being the first person in mythology to be born a virgin, and knew about problems with the fed. The guy makes it into more than it is though, like a one world govenment is gonna be terrible and that there are people behind the curtain running the whole show we call life. There are people in the media like Rupert Murdock who own fox news and what not that definitely pick what and what not to show the american people in order to sway there opinion on things but for the most part the dude is just playing too much into conspiracy theorys.

Alot is just a matter of interpretation, and with the bible egyptian stuff, and 9/11 he chooses to interpret things like the people saying "I heard a big boom" into they used thermite and explosives to collapse the buildings. Where as someone else could interpret it as, the buildings structure is being stressed and its making loud noises. Don't play too much into it guys, I believe he tells you to wake up, but it is he that needs to lay off the koolaid.

[Shady]

I've seen it.
I have trouble believing the 9/11 section, and some of their religious points are okay, but other than that there isn't anything interesting about it.

[Pure-Metal-UTA]

At 12/27/08 10:29 PM, Chainsawasaurus wrote: like a one world govenment is gonna be terrible and that there are people behind the curtain running the whole show we call life.

Well you can see a one government world as a good thing and a bad thing, There are many countries which have laws that would be hard to accept. What if this one government world had laws that rid us of our freedoms and all that jazz? It's simply a matter of waiting before determining whether or not this one government world is good or bad.

There are people in the media like Rupert Murdock who own fox news and what not that definitely pick what and what not to show the american people in order to sway there opinion on things but for the most part the dude is just playing too much into conspiracy theorys.

But isn't it a conspiracy to put whatever is best on the news to sway their opinions? This person might possibly be doing the same things to get the population's opinion back on track.

[jewdudewtf]

At 12/27/08 09:17 PM, Pacflip wrote: Well, what'd ya think?
Isn't that crazy!

I would be more inclined to believe you if they would cite their sources.

I mean the first part about religion

Again, sources please!

[Pacflip]

I mean the first part about religion

Extremely inaccurate, and this is coming from a person who has experienced first hand for years at a time most of the religions they mentioned.

Oh, yeah?
Which parts specifically were inaccurate?

[Pacflip]

I'm an atheist who is virulently anti-religion but it fucking does, it's just lie after lie.

It's ironic that a movie that tells you to question the status quo goes COMPLETELY UNRESEARCHED by it's fans, they've never even googled 'criticism of Zeitgeist' or even WIKIED Horus or whoever else it says has an identical story to Jesus.

Uh huh, opkay, big guy.
Tell me this: which parts specifically were lies?

[Sekhem]

At 12/27/08 10:46 PM, Pacflip wrote: Tell me this: which parts specifically were lies?

nearly everything they said about egyptian religion, probably other parts too but i turned it off pretty quickly because it pissed me off.

[Pacflip]

Yeah, the whole "chip" thing I didn't buy, but pretty much everything else was solid.

[Pacflip]

At 12/27/08 10:47 PM, Sekhem wrote:

At 12/27/08 10:46 PM, Pacflip wrote: Tell me this: which parts specifically were lies?

nearly everything they said about egyptian religion, probably other parts too but i turned it off pretty quickly because it pissed me off.

Okay, if that was wrong, what do you have to support it? What are the actual facts surrounding the Egyptian religion? How do you KNOW that everything was a lie?
You don't, and when you can prove me wrong, let me know, okay.

[Earfetish]

At 12/27/08 10:46 PM, Pacflip wrote:

I'm an atheist who is virulently anti-religion but it fucking does, it's just lie after lie.

It's ironic that a movie that tells you to question the status quo goes COMPLETELY UNRESEARCHED by it's fans, they've never even googled 'criticism of Zeitgeist' or even WIKIED Horus or whoever else it says has an identical story to Jesus.

Uh huh, opkay, big guy.
Tell me this: which parts specifically were lies?

http://explanationblog.wordpress.com/200 8/11/20/the-myth-of-jesus-a-refutation-o f-the-zeitgeist-part-1/

ALL OF IT

ALL OF IT

ALL OF IT

You should be able to tell me which parts were TRUE because you're the movie's fan; you're taking everything this movie said at face value without even looking at wikipedia

Just for your Jesus comparison bits:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krishna
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddha
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dionysus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithras#Mit hraism_and_Christianity

yes the virgin birth has been used in a lot of religions in different manners, not surprising since sex is dirty and virgin births are obvious miracles, but Horus was crucified? Puhleeze.

[Sekhem]

At 12/27/08 10:50 PM, Pacflip wrote: Okay, if that was wrong, what do you have to support it? What are the actual facts surrounding the Egyptian religion? How do you KNOW that everything was a lie?
You don't, and when you can prove me wrong, let me know, okay.

Uhh because my father has a background in Egyptology and I've read nearly every piece of ancient Egyptian scripture? Hell, even my alias here is taken from the Pyramid Texts. When YOU can prove all the ridiculous comparisons between Horus and Christ are true contactME big boy.

[Chainsawasaurus]

At 12/27/08 10:47 PM, Pacflip wrote: Yeah, the whole "chip" thing I didn't buy, but pretty much everything else was solid.

Actually when I was at the dmv last year and I somehow ended up talking to the clerk about that. Apparently there really is a chip inside of the new passports and I think she said something about the amero dollar. Its been awhile since I've seen the movie though so maybe he said more about the "chip" than I remember.

[Pacflip]

At 12/27/08 10:47 PM, Sekhem wrote:

At 12/27/08 10:46 PM, Pacflip wrote: Tell me this: which parts specifically were lies?

nearly everything they said about egyptian religion, probably other parts too but i turned it off pretty quickly because it pissed me off.

Thanks for being specific, idiot.

[Pacflip]

yes the virgin birth has been used in a lot of religions in different manners, not surprising since sex is dirty and virgin births are obvious miracles

Yeah, sex is not beautiful at all, so, you should never do it.

[Earfetish]

At 12/27/08 11:19 PM, Pacflip wrote:

yes the virgin birth has been used in a lot of religions in different manners, not surprising since sex is dirty and virgin births are obvious miracles

Yeah, sex is not beautiful at all, so, you should never do it.

yeah, you know what I mean, one of the silly things about religion is that it's anti-sex

and what I really meant were there are a lot of characters who were conceived through miraculous means, like a God might be conceived, I'm not sure if they make such a big deal over whether the character in question was a virgin or not

seriously you must see now that Zeitgeist is not to be trusted. Finding out what in Zeitgeist is actually useful unaltered information would be such a huge amount of effort that it's obviously not worth it and the movie is obviously garbage.

[Pacflip]

seriously you must see now that Zeitgeist is not to be trusted. Finding out what in Zeitgeist is actually useful unaltered information would be such a huge amount of effort that it's obviously not worth it and the movie is obviously garbage.

I guess, if you want to think like that, you're entitled to your opinion, but I am always open to new suggestions.

[Doomhammr]

Zeitgeist and American Zeitgeist are two different films. Some of you seem to be confusing the two.

[ZeldaFreak701]

Pfft. I'm sure 95% of this forum doesn't even know what Zeitgeist means. The movie was good.