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At 12/26/08 10:26 PM, greensucksbluerules wrote:

At 12/26/08 10:24 PM, Daddy-L-Jackson wrote: It's a derivative of the word niger, which we used as ni*ger, meaning "black object" so blacks aren't really people, but property. Negro was NEVER a term of endearment you twats.

But he's not even fully black.

Okay, first off, what does that have to do with what I said? Secondly, you proved that this song is retarded and not worth talking about, thank you.

At 12/26/08 10:27 PM, Daddy-L-Jackson wrote: Okay, first off, what does that have to do with what I said? Secondly, you proved that this song is retarded and not worth talking about, thank you.

Nice job only responding to me.

You're just mad that you're getting crushed.

At 12/26/08 09:57 PM, OneWordName wrote:

At 12/26/08 09:42 PM, DanTheBard wrote:

At 12/26/08 09:41 PM, RedDreadSky wrote: He's a Level 12 Sorcerer.

so what mccain is a lv 75 paly

McCain is definitely a Necromancer. No one lives to be that old naturally.

eh... McCain could be a lich... but than he'd probably would have had to start out as a Wizard since according to 3.5 rules he would need to recite a complicated ritual to obtain a Phylactery that he would incase his soul. I could definitely see him as a fighter though.

Now Barrack would either be a Cleric or Bard, but I'm definitely leaning towards bard since they tend to have the highest Charisma scores.

Yeah, I'm a bit of a D&D geek.

I'm sick of people telling me what is politically correct to say. I say whatever the hell I want to say. END

Rush Limbaugh made it up, probably while injecting his fat arms with heroin..

At 12/26/08 10:30 PM, grnsuxblurulz wrote:

At 12/26/08 10:27 PM, Daddy-L-Jackson wrote: Okay, first off, what does that have to do with what I said? Secondly, you proved that this song is retarded and not worth talking about, thank you.

Nice job only responding to me.

You're just mad that you're getting crushed.

I'm not being crushed you senseless cunt, I'm killing all of you and it's not even funny how much smarter I am then most of you.... but ESPECIALLY you.

At 12/26/08 10:13 PM, gt44coder wrote: I hate this one standard ideology. It's ok to sing about white presidents, calling them red necks and uneducated, but when we sing about a black president, it's suddenly offensive and labeled racist. People need to wake the fuck up, especially white folks, because they are being pushed down and they can't do shit because they will be labeled racist through unfair political correctness.

Like OMG you guys its so hard being white and stuff we should all fight the powers that be becuase everyone is always picking on us whites. Also what you may think is totally unfair is just. because that song is as racist as a Alabama pillow case.

At 12/26/08 06:08 PM, GATOONA wrote: Apparently a RNC Chairman thought that it would be funny to send a Christmas music CD with the song titled, "Barack the Magic Negro." Racist or not? DiscussSource

Why is this in the general if its about Obama Bin Laden? Anyway I think that is racist.

Joke or not, this "christmas present" was incredibly stupid and unabashedly racist. Frankly, it's appalling that the RNC feels perfectly fine justifying something like this as a joke, and it casts doubt on the entire Republican party's stated intentions to move beyond its racist past.

Decrying political correctness, apparently, insidiously gives Republicans the right to spread racist propaganda like this while at the same time shielding themselves under a banner of it being all in good fun. On the internet, you can joke about these sorts of things, because nobody will ever take you seriously; racism is a joke by default. In reality, you can't joke about these things, because in the real world, racism is fundamentally oppressive and wrong idea, and even the mere threat of its re-implementation is an assault on human rights.

That a chairman of a major political party, would think it were a good idea to send out a CD containing what is unquestionably a racial epithet, suggesting re-implementation of segregation via racism is unbelievable. Not only does it send a terrible message to some of the less-educated and backwater folks of rural Alabama and the deep south -- that racism is morally acceptable again -- but it also calls into question whether Rush Limbaugh and the RNC chairman himself wants to reinstate such a racist party platform, even 40 years after its moral depravity has been thoroughly exposed.

At 12/27/08 12:28 AM, Bolo wrote: Joke or not, this "christmas present" was incredibly stupid and unabashedly racist. Frankly, it's appalling that the RNC feels perfectly fine justifying something like this as a joke, and it casts doubt on the entire Republican party's stated intentions to move beyond its racist past.

We talking about that filthy bigot Lincoln? Or about the party at large and its foundation in ignorant abolitionist ideology?

At 12/27/08 12:33 AM, Radam wrote: We talking about that filthy bigot Lincoln? Or about the party at large and its foundation in ignorant abolitionist ideology?

You're talking about the 19th century Republican party. In case you're not very well-versed in American history, the party roles in the early 20th century experienced a sort of paradigm shift, and Democrats became the main proponents of desegregation, evidenced by Lyndon Johnson's and John Kennedy's efforts in the '60s to pass desegregation legislation, which was heartily opposed by certain demographics of southerners, who in turn began to break for the end of the spectrum furthest from Democrats.

What we're talking about right now is the RNC's encouragement of its backwater trash constituencies in the south that (although admittedly a minority), are definitely in existence, and definitely do wield a measure of power within the Republican party. The sort of folk that hang Confederate flags from their rooftops, and have believed for their entire lives that blacks are literally another species of human, or rather, of sub-human, and are undeserving of respect or rights.

In sending out such propaganda as he has, I have to wonder if the RNC chairman and Limbaugh himself aren't subtly reaching out to this demographic of their party in a show of sympathy and common cause.

At 12/27/08 12:43 AM, Bolo wrote:

At 12/27/08 12:33 AM, Radam wrote: We talking about that filthy bigot Lincoln? Or about the party at large and its foundation in ignorant abolitionist ideology?

You're talking about the 19th century Republican party. In case you're not very well-versed in American history, the party roles in the early 20th century experienced a sort of paradigm shift, and Democrats became the main proponents of desegregation, evidenced by Lyndon Johnson's and John Kennedy's efforts in the '60s to pass desegregation legislation, which was heartily opposed by certain demographics of southerners, who in turn began to break for the end of the spectrum furthest from Democrats.

I'll just leave this here.

Bolo, I suspect you'll have difficulty sitting still for this one. In light of that, feel free to skip ahead to 4:15 or so.

At 12/26/08 10:31 PM, NeverHundred wrote:

Yeah, I'm a bit of a D&D geek.

I used to think bards were lumberjack things or people that blow other peoples heads off with a guitar

why its in my name

Make fun of white people all you want, but make fun of Barack, and the world will fucking hunt you down, and straight up murder your ass.

Not racist at all. I think Obama can take a joke anyways.

Haha, Puff the Magic Dragon. That's what makes it funny.

At 12/27/08 01:00 AM, Radam wrote: I'll just leave this here.

Bolo, I suspect you'll have difficulty sitting still for this one. In light of that, feel free to skip ahead to 4:15 or so.

The creator of that video utterly fails to take into account the current state of affairs, which morphed into the currently effective system in the wake of the 1964 Civil Rights act. The racist and confederate southern leftovers of the Democratic Party (referred to erroneously in the video, in a way reminiscent of Rush Limbaugh, as the 'Democrat Party'), were thoroughly nonplussed by the re-emergence of the Democratic Party as the standard-bearer, with Lyndon Johnson and Kennedy as the poster-boys, for Civil Rights. For this reason, they sought to distance themselves from the party, and re-attached themselves for whatever reason to the Republican Party.

The extent of their new allegiance was revealed in 1968 and in 1972, when Nixon became the first to exploit the Southern coalition, fully inclusive of the racist elements in the deep south, to his own massive gain, as evidenced by the landslide victory of '72 that coincidentally would be virtually impossible to replicate under current political conditions. The deep south, including almost all of the rural counties composed of such backwater folk as has been previously described, has voted without fail almost entirely Republican since the Civil Rights Act's passage, and the subsequent realignment of '68.

But all of this is tangential to the main point of the story at hand: that the sending of this epithet-soaked music CD indicates an unmistakeable racism on the part of the sender, which should be held up for all to see and be disgusted by. My question is why some African Americans, like the one in that video, are willing to continue to stand by the Republican Party, even as it takes a mighty sledge hammer to the once-inclusive policies endorsed by Abe Lincoln during the party's formative years, as a result of its racist constiuents' unseen stranglehold.

At 12/26/08 10:19 PM, greensucksbluerules wrote:

At 12/26/08 09:55 PM, Daddy-L-Jackson wrote: Are you all morons or do you just not get that he called Obama a negro? I.E. a racial slur.

How is the Spanish word for black racist, hmmm?

it's not really funny though either

At 12/26/08 10:24 PM, Daddy-L-Jackson wrote: It's a derivative of the word niger, which we used as ni*ger, meaning "black object" so blacks aren't really people, but property. Negro was NEVER a term of endearment you twats.

No, you have it backwards. Ni G G er was derived from Negro, not the other way around. Nobody said that Negro was a nice little pet name or anything, so I don't know what you're talking about. It is just a term for people of african descent. It's like calling a white person caucasian.

Niger is a country in africa, by the way. It was also latin for "black." Just black. Nothing else. "Negro" is spanish for black. They're just words for black. It's no different from calling someone black.

Okay you dumb motherfuckers, whether you think it's a "good" or "bad" name, is irrelevant, call a random black guy a negro tommorow, I dare you, see what the fuck happens, it's origin is really irrelevant, it's seen as an offensive remark in this day and age and in the song it was definately used tastelessly to offend.

At 12/27/08 01:22 AM, Bolo wrote: [a stream of three- to four-syllable words dictionally different, yet materially indistinguishable, from his last few posts]

"Anti-intellectualism" in 3, 2...

Jesus Christ, do your type all consider TL;DR a solid argument, per se?

For the record, convincing someone of your point in a debate and convincing someone that the debate is pointless are not the same thing. I know it's confusing because they shut up and leave either way, but trust me on this.

At 12/27/08 01:42 AM, Daddy-L-Jackson wrote: Okay you dumb motherfuckers, whether you think it's a "good" or "bad" name, is irrelevant, call a random black guy a negro tommorow, I dare you, see what the fuck happens, it's origin is really irrelevant, it's seen as an offensive remark in this day and age and in the song it was definately used tastelessly to offend.

:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

At 12/27/08 01:49 AM, Radam wrote:

At 12/27/08 01:42 AM, Daddy-L-Jackson wrote: Okay you dumb motherfuckers, whether you think it's a "good" or "bad" name, is irrelevant, call a random black guy a negro tommorow, I dare you, see what the fuck happens, it's origin is really irrelevant, it's seen as an offensive remark in this day and age and in the song it was definately used tastelessly to offend.

) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

Keep this in mind.
The movie was written by a white guy, and it seems that half of the dialog is made up of "Fuck" "Ni***r" and variants of those two.
That may very well be a variant of the second one.

At 12/27/08 01:52 AM, EvilerBowser1001 wrote: Keep this in mind.
The movie was written by a white guy, and it seems that half of the dialog is made up of "Fuck" "Ni***r" and variants of those two.
That may very well be a variant of the second one.

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

At 12/27/08 01:39 AM, Yorik wrote: "Negro" is spanish for black. They're just words for black. It's no different from calling someone black.

If you are an English speaker, in an English-speaking country, there is literally no possible reason that you would have to use the word negro to describe a person who is BLACK (the accepted term for those of African descent).

To go out of one's way to make use of such words as "negro" or any derivations thereof (of which there are many) to describe an African or African-American person, is to do no less than recall the horrible stain on American history, of slavery, and of its resultant African American oppression, that only within the last 40 years was cut off from the mainstream American consciousness.

To call a black person a "negro," while speaking English is formally accepted as being a description of contempt, of inferiority, of being unwilling to call a fellow human being your own equal, and going out of your way to point to a time that brutally demonstrated this patently false idea that, when planted in the minds of the opportunistic, was allowed to grow into an actual system of unjust oppression.

It is the cultural connotation of this term that makes it so disagreeable, so completely repulsive, for it is to use the same word that was used to describe black men, women, and children as mere property, up for auction and sale, and described in terms of quantity (i.e. "500 Healthy Negroes for Sale at Auction," a common pamphlet message at southern port cities like New Orleans before the onset of the Civil War).

At 12/27/08 01:44 AM, Radam wrote: "Anti-intellectualism" in 3, 2...

Jesus Christ, do your type all consider TL;DR a solid argument, per se?

For the record, convincing someone of your point in a debate and convincing someone that the debate is pointless are not the same thing. I know it's confusing because they shut up and leave either way, but trust me on this.

Is this, then, a concession that the actions of the RNC chair are unconscionable? Because frankly there is no possible way you could defend the use of this epithet, based on its cultural connotations delineated above. Black might've passed muster if it had been used instead, but Negro is a step over that fine line in the sand that can never be taken back. It would be wholly deserved if this incident haunts the career of the RNC chair for the remainder of his term, and of his life.

And please, I implore you to read the posts I've made if you intend to reply to them.

At 12/27/08 02:05 AM, Bolo wrote: If you are an English speaker, in an English-speaking country, there is literally no possible reason that you would have to use the word negro to describe a person who is BLACK (the accepted term for those of African descent).

Well, it's an English word for black as well. And I imagine the primary reason it's used is because it's two syllables long and works with the song.

At 12/27/08 01:44 AM, Radam wrote: "Anti-intellectualism" in 3, 2...

Jesus Christ, do your type all consider TL;DR a solid argument, per se?

For the record, convincing someone of your point in a debate and convincing someone that the debate is pointless are not the same thing. I know it's confusing because they shut up and leave either way, but trust me on this.

Is this, then, a concession that the actions of the RNC chair are unconscionable?

Nah, but I'll concede that he's way behind the times. That stupid song's like a year or two old and essentially lampoons Al Sharpton's butthurt at being passed over as the black that white liberals finally ran as their feel-good nominee for president, as is clear from all the lyrics of the song beside the word "negro." To wit:

Barack the Magic Negro lives in D.C.
The L.A. Times, they called him that
'Cause he's not authentic like me.

Yeah, the guy from the L.A. paper
Said he makes guilty whites feel good
They'll vote for him, and not for me
'Cause he's not from the hood.

See, real black men, like Snoop Dog,
Or me, or Farrakhan
Have talked the talk, and walked the walk.
Not come in late and won!

Oh, Barack the Magic Negro, lives in D.C.
The L.A. Times, they called him that
'Cause he's black, but not authentically.

Some say Barack's "articulate"
And bright and new and "clean"
The media sure loves this guy,
A white interloper's dream!

But, when you vote for president,
Watch out, and don't be fooled!
Don't vote the Magic Negro in
'Cause...

...And here's the part where they suture in a bunch of Sharpton sound bites.

:[more gratuitous verbosity]

And please, I implore you to read the posts I've made if you intend to reply to them.

Oh, I did and I do. I'm just calling it as I see it.

At 12/26/08 09:37 PM, greensucksbluerules wrote:

At 12/26/08 09:14 PM, GATOONA wrote:

At 12/26/08 06:45 PM, bobbycat77 wrote: "yayayay lets make jokes about hilary clinton and george bush but O LAWD NOT JESUS HIMSELF BARACK OBAMA"

exactly what I thought

I agree.

Fuck Obama.

OYES
VIVA REVOLUTION

...Yes, I do not care for Obama. Then again, I do not care for (or did not) McCain.
lul, Firefox does not think Obama is a real word. <3 Firefox now.

At 12/27/08 02:05 AM, Bolo wrote:

At 12/27/08 01:39 AM, Yorik wrote: "Negro" is spanish for black. They're just words for black. It's no different from calling someone black.

If you are an English speaker, in an English-speaking country, there is literally no possible reason that you would have to use the word negro to describe a person who is BLACK (the accepted term for those of African descent).

To go out of one's way to make use of such words as "negro" or any derivations thereof (of which there are many) to describe an African or African-American person, is to do no less than recall the horrible stain on American history, of slavery, and of its resultant African American oppression, that only within the last 40 years was cut off from the mainstream American consciousness.

To call a black person a "negro," while speaking English is formally accepted as being a description of contempt, of inferiority, of being unwilling to call a fellow human being your own equal, and going out of your way to point to a time that brutally demonstrated this patently false idea that, when planted in the minds of the opportunistic, was allowed to grow into an actual system of unjust oppression.

It is the cultural connotation of this term that makes it so disagreeable, so completely repulsive, for it is to use the same word that was used to describe black men, women, and children as mere property, up for auction and sale, and described in terms of quantity (i.e. "500 Healthy Negroes for Sale at Auction," a common pamphlet message at southern port cities like New Orleans before the onset of the Civil War).

Also, I hate (read: love) to hit you with this so far into the discussion, but you are familiar with the archetype of the "magical negro," right?

You know, the archetype aptly referenced in the title of the L.A. Times op-ed piece, "Obama the 'Magic Negro'"?

You know, the op-ed piece to which the title ("Barack the Magic Negro") and opening lines (Barack the Magic Negro lives in D.C./The L.A. Times, they called him that/'Cause he's not authentic like me.) of the song are a direct reference?

You know, the reason for the diction?

You know?

Right?

I hope Obama doesn't get all pissed about it, he seems like the kind of guy who might be able to laugh at the joke. McCain always laughed at the "old fart" jokes.

People people, there is a simple solution to this. Stop taking the song and the word negro so literally. Know this, racism only exists because it offends people. There is no power behind the word negro or n!g2xer if a black person doesn't find it offensive. The only reason people use racist slang is because they want to piss of the person. :)