At 1/4/09 10:30 AM, bcdemon wrote:
For one, I didn't post any videos you twit.... And two, you failed to rebut any/all those lies, now you're a useless twit. And third, YouTube is not a 'news source', even if you think it is. Now you're a retarded useless twit.
And you failed to rebut mine.
You showed me article about blocking aid ships that did not connect or discussed with Israel and simply tried to enter Gaza, a war zone, do you expect Israel to just let any ship get in? They knew Israel wont let them get in. They should have done just like the rest of the aid contributors and transfer it through Israel, but they knew propaganda is the best.
On the other hand, i showed you videos of Palestinian weapons smuggling tunnels, when they claim they got nothing to eat. the REASON for the blockade is the smuggling and the rockets, didn't debunk
I showed you video of Palestinians hiding weapons and rockets and mosques, didn't debunk.
I showed you a video proving Israel is sending tens of aid trucks into Gaza, proving my point about the ships.
And i showed you Palestinians using children studying in school as human shields.
But as i said before, Palestinians got no responsibility, right?
Please, inform me on how Israel has suffered from letting innocent ships with food, medicine and supplies into Gaza.
It can cause mayhem and lack of order in a war zone that should be as organized as possible.
Even though i agree that on general the aid should have been let in, i cannot understand how you cannot agree with me that the ship should pre arranged it with Israel, and if they didn't agree, they should have let Israel transfer it into by themselves.
Maybe the ships want to make sure the aid gets to the people who need it, as opposed to giving it to the country that has occupied and oppressed these people for decades.
They knew Israel would transfer it, Israel is a democratic state with human rights and high national ethics, something that doesn't imply to their enemies, but you and others claim you don't need to.
The Israelis aren't oppressing the people and are oppressing the terror organizations arming themselves and shooting rockets at Israel while using their own population, which they claim to protect, as human shields.
Palestinians let their weapons down = Peace.
Israel let their weapons down = destruction of Israel, which you justify.
All the severely wounded civilians get to die slowly due to the fact that Gaza has already been starved of food and medicine by the blockade which was in place.
Right, i blame Hamas. Claiming you got not food and medics, but you arms yourself like crazy, is not Israel's fault. Also, injured Gazans treated in Israeli hostpials
"Israel has maintained a strict blockade of Gaza since the June 19 cease-fire began unraveling six weeks ago, allowing in only small quantities of essential goods."
I don't get it, how fucked up are you? Don't you understand it's because of Hamas, rockets and smuggling?
Strict blockade? Meaning Palestinians don't enter Israel? Of course. Medical and food? No, tons are supplied.
and the fact that Israel is doing its best to choke off any incoming medical supplies or assistance
Actually, it's and assumption based on a lie.
Did you miss those 3 links I posted? The ones that said Israel was BLOCKING AID?
The border into GAZA is closed, Christian Amanpour of CNN reported on that yesterday.
Of course the border is closed.
It's not blocking aid, it's blocking not allowed ships from entering Gaza. And letting 100 times more entering from the borders.
Actually, the ambulance thing isn't a lie, a bit out dated, but certainly not a lie. And you do understand that Katyusha rockets and cars require different fuels, right?
Out dated? It was a lie.
And you you are right, but should we discuss about costs?
Correction, over exaggeration. It's a mere 50,000 children that are malnourished.
It was a lie.
50,000 out of 700,000 is NOTHING considering the situation.
No, it's not a lie. THE BORDERS ARE CLOSED.
BORDERS ARE CLOSED FOR HUMAN TRANSFER LIKE ALWAYS, AND IT'S OPEN FOR AID FFS.
I guess terrorists use life saving drugs, food, and supplies to build rockets eh?
I actually wouldn't be surprised if Hamas leaders would take it to themselves down the bunkers. And no, sometimes there are annoying bureaucracies sometime. for the sixth time, if it was transferred through Israel, the Palestinians would have had these aids already.
I love the part where you said they do it so people can write shit on the internet, that's fucking priceless.
They do. You'll be amazed on how much they and the pro-Palestinians spend on propaganda.
I find it incredible how North Americans think Palestinians hate democracy when they're under the thumb of a fourty year occupation and are fighting for the freedom of having a Palestinian, self-determined state
They are actually fighting for the destruction of Israel, officially.
Like i said, they also killed Israelis before the occupation, when were occupied by Jordan and Egypt. You justify it from some reason. If they weren't murdering thousand of Israelis between 1948-1967, they weren't occupied.
In 2000, Israel offered them 91% of the lands they claimed, for peace. They refused.
Land was taken from Palestine during the Palestine Mandate (1922 - 1946) and given the Jews. Jews started mass imigration in the 1920's, the numbers swelling in the 1930s with the notorious Nazi persecution of Jewish populations. Palestinian demands for independence and resistance to Jewish immigration led to a rebellion in 1937.
That's a myth. The Jewish immigration started in the 1870's. No even one meter of land was given to the Jews, but the Rockefellers and Kakal bought lands from the Palestinians.
In 1918, the population of Jews and Muslims in Palestine was almost equal. (NOT PALESTINE-MANDATE, BUT IN PALESTINE - PIC ADDED)
No, it's happening because Israel is allowed to act this way. Nobody stops them when they remove Palestinian homes and construct their own, nobody stops them when they build a wall around Palestinian property.
Oh really? What do they earn from it?
You will have to navigate to the israel section of the report, where you can read about unlawful and reckless shooting of Palestinians, human shields and other human rights abuses
Site is obviously not biased at all. Ironically, the only technique of the Palestinians is human shield, and war crimes, yet no one gives a fuck.
but they've done more than enought in the past fourty years to warrant such actions taken by Palestinians;
Linked above, they started way way before the occupation, the occupation is actually a result of the actions.
Yeah, when the Jews were given Palestinian land to live on by the Balfour Declaration, it kind of pissed off the locals. Balfour declaration said that Britain will support building a state, the Jews already lived there. Re-read it.
Oh yeah, great example. Box em in with a huge ass wall, limit thier movements, limit and regulate their supplies, and when they react in a distatefull manner, use that as as a reason for more oppression. Got ya.
These are in the West bank, and how shocking, there are no rockets shot from the West Bank!
But i'ts funny, when Israel goes for peace and tries to withdraw, a terror organization rises to power and shoots rockets at Israel. Then Israel says "I told you, world", and people criticize them.
I will be happy to explain it to you again, considering it flew right over your head last time.
Please do, because last time it was obvious the situation was completely different.
I said Israel should move, to Poland or something more appropriate.
The discussion on who was there first is quite arguable, therefor your argument fails.
And another thing, Jews built everything, before it was literally shit.
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