Newgrounds.com — Everything, By Everyone.

At 12/21/08 12:53 AM, Doomhammr wrote:

At 12/21/08 12:42 AM, Shawn wrote:

At 12/21/08 12:38 AM, Samen wrote: Also, the command for a new folder is Command + Shift + N.

Lol right click > Create new folder, is alot easier

Depends on whether or not you're a hotkey freak.

Growing up with Might Mice I kinda had to be. :S

ive never used anything besides windows so i wouldnt know if mac is better or worse

ahem. convinced?

Macs are great for people that only use the computer to check there e-mail, and maybe do school research. Other then that, there not good for much.

At 12/21/08 12:31 AM, benjadaninja wrote: Convince me that this topic isn't useless.

Well said.

At 12/21/08 01:59 AM, Spikrodd wrote: ahem. convinced?

It's VERY hard to get a BSOD in Windows XP or Vista and 9 times out of 10, it's self inflicted by something not very bright the user does (installing cracked software, installing a virus). Lest we not forget the beach ball of death in Mac OS X.1, the multilanguage screen of death in OS X.3 and X.5 introduced Apple's very own BSOD.

I was extremely unsatisfied when I bought the .0 relese of Panther (X.3) as it was about as buggy as a beta. A friend of mine lost ALL of his documents in the home folder when he enabled file vault and his machine froze which caused him to do a hard reboot. Apple also refused to honor their extended warranty when my year 2000 iMac case cracked up the side and they discounted it as wear and tear.

Don't get me wrong, Vista has its own fair share of problems. Apple wasn't kidding about how annoying the Vista security center is. It literally asks you "are you sure?" EVERY time you want to change a setting.

At 12/21/08 02:01 AM, Minty-Hippo wrote: Macs are great for people that only use the computer to check there e-mail, and maybe do school research. Other then that, there not good for much.

Yeah, especially considering that Macs are the computers that almost all creative professionals in the industry use, because there are certain very highly-regarded media programs (industry-standard, in fact) that are unparalleled in PCs, ie Final Cut Pro and Shake.

Also, considering that Photoshop was originally a Mac-exclusive product, before it was ported to Windows in the mid 1990s.

And that Macs have the capability of running Windows alongside OSX, which means any program ever created for the XP, Vista, OSX, or Linux can run seamlessly on a Mac, with little to no loss in performance. Why even buy a PC, frankly, when you can get the best of both worlds and a sip of Linux in one package?

At 12/21/08 02:01 AM, Minty-Hippo wrote: Macs are great for people that only use the computer to check there e-mail, and maybe do school research. Other then that, there not good for much.

Tell that to the people working on feature length films and TV shows with Apple's video suites. In high school, I interned at a TV station that utilized Apple when they dumped their obsolete stand-alone photo and video editing station. If email and homework is all a Mac can do, they wouldn't cost $1700. They'd cost $300 like my Asus EEE where Email, internet, and homework really is all you can do.

I have yet to find a reason to use a mac. Everything you can do on mac, you can do on windows too. EVERYTHING. As long as you have the skill to do so. Buying a mac is basically saying "Hey lets buy this overpriced POS because its stylish and because I'm too stupid to figure out the power of windows".

At 12/21/08 02:16 AM, Doomhammr wrote: It's VERY hard to get a BSOD in Windows XP or Vista and 9 times out of 10, it's self inflicted by something not very bright the user does (installing cracked software, installing a virus). Lest we not forget the beach ball of death in Mac OS X.1, the multilanguage screen of death in OS X.3 and X.5 introduced Apple's very own BSOD.

Well, sure errors and crashes exist, but seriously, have you ever gotten a Mac equivalent of a BSOD? I've owned OSX-running computers since 2002, and I've had the computer crash maybe twice in six years, and never have I received any BSOD or derivation thereof.

I was extremely unsatisfied when I bought the .0 relese of Panther (X.3) as it was about as buggy as a beta. A friend of mine lost ALL of his documents in the home folder when he enabled file vault and his machine froze which caused him to do a hard reboot. Apple also refused to honor their extended warranty when my year 2000 iMac case cracked up the side and they discounted it as wear and tear.

To be fair, though, it has been eight years since you bought the computer, and it wasn't the fault of Apple that the computer broke if it was able to stay intact for such a long time. The point of the warrantee is to have the manufacturer correct any mistakes that might have been made in the creation process, not to send in your shit when it gets old, and expect a replacement free of charge, or a refund.

At 12/21/08 02:28 AM, FewRemain wrote:
Well, sure errors and crashes exist, but seriously, have you ever gotten a Mac equivalent of a BSOD? I've owned OSX-running computers since 2002, and I've had the computer crash maybe twice in six years, and never have I received any BSOD or derivation thereof.

Are you running Leopard? The early versions of Leopard have been the OS floating around the news in connection with the Mac BSOD's. Apple has even refused to call it a BSOD.

http://mac.blorge.com/2008/12/17/newest-
leopard-update-brings-blue-screen-of-dea th-to-macs/

To be fair, though, it has been eight years since you bought the computer, and it wasn't the fault of Apple that the computer broke if it was able to stay intact for such a long time. The point of the warrantee is to have the manufacturer correct any mistakes that might have been made in the creation process, not to send in your shit when it gets old, and expect a replacement free of charge, or a refund.

It was in 2001 when I made the claim, only a year after I bought it. I should have specified although as a Mac user, you should know Applecare doesn't last any longer than 3 years.

At 12/21/08 12:33 AM, YahooAnswers wrote: The mac commercials are hilarious.

Hi, I'm a self-indulgent faggot cunt.

And I'm a PC.

I work with computers. I have a hard time working with a Mac, mainly because of the shitty mouse. Also, I couldn't figure out how to create a new file with right click; for that matter I was also confused about the lack of copy/paste functions. Also, Macs suck at playing games if you don't have a virtual machine. Can't really upgrade it either. Everything about it confuses me.

Wow, fourth thread i seen like this in the last week.

Short answer:
Macs, linux, and windows are all equal.
Why do you think no single one has taken over the others yet?

Here is the thing: it depends what you use it for. That simple.

Macs are noob-proof, and garageband/photoshop, that shit you can get on pc as well.
Pc's are not completely noob-proof, but still enough that experienced users will find the occasional redundancy very annoying. Maximum application/hardware compatibility.
Linux are for the pros.

That's the EXTREMELY brief answer.

At 12/21/08 02:45 AM, Preternatural wrote: I work with computers. I have a hard time working with a Mac, mainly because of the shitty mouse. Also, I couldn't figure out how to create a new file with right click; for that matter I was also confused about the lack of copy/paste functions. Also, Macs suck at playing games if you don't have a virtual machine. Can't really upgrade it either. Everything about it confuses me.

Many of these are good points. I cannot stand Apple's mighty mouse because I like resting my finger on the left click button and you need to raise it for a right click to register on it. I have no idea what you're talking about with the copy and paste. It's exactly like it is on Windows. I also feel your pain on the lack of upgradability because the only Mac that's really upgradable is the Mac Pro and those start at $2400. I've had the same case and motherboard on my machine since early 2006 and I've upgraded the RAM, Video Card, Hard Drive, and power supply during the last three years as I've needed them. With anything other than the Mac Pro, upgrading is either hard to do with their case designs, or it voids your warranty if you don't ante up for an Apple repair tech to fix it. Unfortunately my PC is currently maxed out with the almost-best components money can buy for this motherboard so my next upgrade will have to be a total rebuild (other than case, video card, and PSU).

At 12/21/08 02:26 AM, fortdeath wrote: I have yet to find a reason to use a mac. Everything you can do on mac, you can do on windows too. EVERYTHING. As long as you have the skill to do so. Buying a mac is basically saying "Hey lets buy this overpriced POS because its stylish and because I'm too stupid to figure out the power of windows".

WELL FUCKING SAID.
YOU SIR, UNDERSTAND FULLY.

You pay the extra price for macs because they do the work for you and make all their shit built in.

Don't ever fucking say, "Oh, uh, hurf durf, you can use windows/linux on a mac!"
No.

Don't emulate windows, fucking buy a pc. It costs less anyway.

At 12/21/08 02:53 AM, zedd56 wrote: Wow, fourth thread i seen like this in the last week.

Short answer:
Macs, linux, and windows are all equal.
Why do you think no single one has taken over the others yet?

Here is the thing: it depends what you use it for. That simple.

Macs are noob-proof, and garageband/photoshop, that shit you can get on pc as well.
Pc's are not completely noob-proof, but still enough that experienced users will find the occasional redundancy very annoying. Maximum application/hardware compatibility.
Linux are for the pros.

That's the EXTREMELY brief answer.

You can't get Garageband for Windows although there's plenty of knockoffs for Windows. Linux isn't entirely a Pro OS anymore either as there's plenty of newbie friendly distros popping up. My EEE 701 came with EEE Xandros which is about as noob proof as you can get and the Ubuntu Netbook Remix distro I currently have installed on there would be almost as noob proof if there wasn't a sound bug you needed to dance around the command line with to fix after a fresh install.

I can't convince you because they really do

At 12/21/08 02:58 AM, zedd56 wrote:

At 12/21/08 02:26 AM, fortdeath wrote: I have yet to find a reason to use a mac. Everything you can do on mac, you can do on windows too. EVERYTHING. As long as you have the skill to do so. Buying a mac is basically saying "Hey lets buy this overpriced POS because its stylish and because I'm too stupid to figure out the power of windows".

WELL FUCKING SAID.
YOU SIR, UNDERSTAND FULLY.

You pay the extra price for macs because they do the work for you and make all their shit built in.

Don't ever fucking say, "Oh, uh, hurf durf, you can use windows/linux on a mac!"
No.

Don't emulate windows, fucking buy a pc. It costs less anyway.

A dual boot and/or emulated system would be a very viable solution if you're looking at working on projects that will be accessed on both platforms and need to be tested for both.

Macs are...umm...they...I can...You...errr...yes.

I shouldn't have to convince you, because Mac's don't suck.
and if you cant see that, then you suck for not giving them a fair chance to be learned without your preconceived notions (based on a lifetime of using windows) of how an operating system should work.

At 12/21/08 03:08 AM, ArtistJ wrote: I shouldn't have to convince you, because Mac's don't suck.
and if you cant see that, then you suck for not giving them a fair chance to be learned without your preconceived notions (based on a lifetime of using windows) of how an operating system should work.

Thank you. Looks like another sensible person entered the arena. I said before I prefer Windows, but I'd be damned if I look a gift horse in the mouth if someone plopped a Mac Pro on my desk to use at school, work, or gave me one for free to have at home. As long as it works, I'm game.

I am a windows supporter, but not in spite of the mac commercials or sheer pride.
This is demonstrated by most bigots out there, using windows.

Mac users shouldn't have to defend themselves, and windows users should really stfu.

As for garageband knockoffs, yeah i had to download one today.. my buddy was interested in purchasing a processor/pedal for his guitar/bass and was about to spend $100. He isn't very tech savvy. So after thinking about it for about 5 seconds, i realized, how could there not be a virtual processor? Anyways...

There is no such thing as Mac VS Pc.
Rather, just whether or not you are best suited to be using a mac or pc.
Although i must say, the fact that macs haven't yet adapted the 'right click' function really annoys me. They're only leaving it that way just to individualize themselves from windows. Right click has got to be one of the greatest things i've ever seen. And i've seen sliced bread.

Also, photoshop on a mac is no different than photoshop on a pc. People, a long time ago, would state that macs were better for photo editing because of photoshop, but when people say it now? After photoshop has been ported to the pc? Fucking stupid.

Finally, the mac commercials are a total load of bullshit. Making it seem as though pc's can't possibly be fun in any way. Which is funny considering microsoft produced halo. And macs aren't exactly revered for their gaming capabilities...

Enough ranting for now...

At 12/21/08 02:38 AM, Doomhammr wrote:

At 12/21/08 02:28 AM, FewRemain wrote: Well, sure errors and crashes exist, but seriously, have you ever gotten a Mac equivalent of a BSOD? I've owned OSX-running computers since 2002, and I've had the computer crash maybe twice in six years, and never have I received any BSOD or derivation thereof.

Are you running Leopard? The early versions of Leopard have been the OS floating around the news in connection with the Mac BSOD's. Apple has even refused to call it a BSOD.

http://mac.blorge.com/2008/12/17/newest-
leopard-update-brings-blue-screen-of-dea th-to-macs/

Yeah, I've been running Leopard since its first release. I can honestly not find any fault with how it has run in the year and a half since I bought it. I've never had a Mac equivalent of BSOD, nor do I know anybody who has ever experienced one. My guess is you would have to seriously disturb the way the computer runs in order to prompt one -- like fucking around in terminal, and not know what you're doing etc.

To be fair, though, it has been eight years since you bought the computer, and it wasn't the fault of Apple that the computer broke if it was able to stay intact for such a long time. The point of the warrantee is to have the manufacturer correct any mistakes that might have been made in the creation process, not to send in your shit when it gets old, and expect a replacement free of charge, or a refund.

It was in 2001 when I made the claim, only a year after I bought it. I should have specified although as a Mac user, you should know Applecare doesn't last any longer than 3 years.

Well, I don't know what to tell you other than the fact that this happened a long time ago, and since I've owned Apple products, I've never had an experience other than satisfactory or excellent with Apple's customer service, especially when it comes to iPods. Having read Apple's warrantee policy, it also appears that "the warrantee does not apply...to cosmetic damage, including, but not limited to scratches, dents, and broken plastic on ports that does not otherwise effect the product's functionality or materially impair your use."

I had no idea what kind of coverage Applecare provides -- I don't ever buy the extended warrantee when it comes to Apple's products, because I've never needed one before, and don't foresee the need arising judging from past experiences.

If there's a problem with the hardware, I'm confident I can diagnose it within sixty days, and send it back to Apple for replacement.

At 12/21/08 02:58 AM, zedd56 wrote: Don't emulate windows, fucking buy a pc. It costs less anyway.

But with a Mac, I can run Windows natively and PARALLEL to Mac OSX and Linux, and thus eliminate ANY POSSIBLE COMPUTER COMPATIBILITY PROBLEMS that might arise.

This is very simple. What's not to understand? One fell swoop knocks out all the problems at once.

The way you speak of leopard's BSOD implies that it occurs on windows every other usage.

I already know that you can run windows natively on the macs, it does not disprove my argument. If the need to install windows on your mac arises, that is when you should be thinking, "Why didn't i buy a pc?"
Macs cost a lot more than pc's to start with. And now you're going to pay another $300 to put windows on it?

I have never in my decade of windows usage felt the need to emulate the mac. Never. Plainly put, unless it was an exclusive program designed or produced by apple, or is aimed to manipulate a mac's hardware (i don't think any programs exist for this purpose), any program will most definitely be ported for windows. And the exclusive mac programs will always have function-equivalent knockoffs, the only downside being that you lose your spiffy apple interface.

At 12/21/08 03:24 AM, zedd56 wrote: There is no such thing as Mac VS Pc.
Rather, just whether or not you are best suited to be using a mac or pc.

Agreed

Although i must say, the fact that macs haven't yet adapted the 'right click' function really annoys me. They're only leaving it that way just to individualize themselves from windows. Right click has got to be one of the greatest things i've ever seen. And i've seen sliced bread.

Are you kidding? I've said above Macs have been able to right click since before 1998 and all macs are shipped with 2 button mice since 2004. If a mac doesn't have a 2 button mouse, just connect one or use ctrl+click instead.

At 12/21/08 03:35 AM, zedd56 wrote: I have never in my decade of windows usage felt the need to emulate the mac. Never. Plainly put, unless it was an exclusive program designed or produced by apple, or is aimed to manipulate a mac's hardware (i don't think any programs exist for this purpose), any program will most definitely be ported for windows. And the exclusive mac programs will always have function-equivalent knockoffs, the only downside being that you lose your spiffy apple interface.

I agree with that. If you constantly find yourself imitating or booting into another OS, then just use that other OS.

Why would I want to convince you, I couldn't care less what you like and don't like.
I don't even know who the fuck you are.

blah blah blah blah

At 12/21/08 03:26 AM, FewRemain wrote: Well, I don't know what to tell you other than the fact that this happened a long time ago, and since I've owned Apple products, I've never had an experience other than satisfactory or excellent with Apple's customer service, especially when it comes to iPods. Having read Apple's warrantee policy, it also appears that "the warrantee does not apply...to cosmetic damage, including, but not limited to scratches, dents, and broken plastic on ports that does not otherwise effect the product's functionality or materially impair your use."

Apple has been notorious for cases that crack or warp without reason. Just do a google search on it. There was a big stink over the computers of the 2000/2001 generations that cracked without reason and there's currently a lawsuit over the iPhone 3G cases with inexplicable cracks. Many of their early aluminum G4 laptops had cases that warped from the heat.

I've also noticed a trend that early generations of Apple products have insane amounts of bugs. At my last job working as a student worker in a college, I saw that roughly a third of our 1st gen G5's (there were 20 ordered in the first batch) had to have their logic boards replaced because their firewire ports went dead. The future generations of G5's ordered were just fine though. Also, don't forget about the great 1st through 3rd gen iPod battery debacle made famous by www.ipodsdirtysecret.com . That's another one where I got bit. Luckily, my 5th gen iPod battery is still working fabulously 3 years later and Apple got their ass in gear regarding the battery issue.