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At 12/14/08 02:48 PM, SpeedyPac wrote: I dont know if Time is linear, I would guess it's 3D. We live in a 3D world, so everything to us is 3D

I know it's been brought up, but RONGLY!

I'm going to my best to explain this.

When you look at a 3d object in 2d the only true way to do it, is one crossetoin at time (like slices in a bread)

So, when we see time, we see it one frame at a time. Some one who could truly see the 4d would see us as a line starting with us as a baby, and ending with us a corpse. and it'd look like a snakly thing before then.

And time is liner, unless you consiter time travel. witch would be even harder to explain then weather time is 3d or not

At 12/14/08 03:45 PM, StephanosGnomon wrote: An interference pattern is a wave generated by the collision of two or move waves.

So "make up" wasn't quite the right word choice. "Within" would have been more suiting.

Particles are "discrete" in the sense that they are considered self-contained and independant of other particles. They are their own object, so to speak. Wave are NOT considered discrete in this sense -- a wave is not an object itself but rather a pattern that propagates-through a medium (of object(s)).

So you're not asking whether particles are like billiard balls or waves. You're asking whether a series of events resembles the interactions of particles or waves?

Maybe our big bang was created by a LHC used in the last universe?

At 12/14/08 04:08 PM, Pepperfrog wrote: Maybe our big bang was created by a LHC used in the last universe?

Hehe. Reminds me of a Perry Bible Fellowship strip...

At 12/14/08 04:01 PM, Bacchanalian wrote: So you're not asking whether particles are like billiard balls or waves. You're asking whether a series of events resembles the interactions of particles or waves?

I suppose. It was all rhetorical anyway.

Would Zeno's paradox be out of place here? Because it seems that the idea of a infinite series being enclosed within a finite range seems applicable to this whole dissection-of-time thing.

Or the bird-in-a-cage optical illusion.

Or whatever.

Sorry if I'm all over the friggin' place right now. My thinking has been a bit disorganized as of late.

That's cool to hear others talk about time loop theory as I was very excited about the idea a while back!

First, I think it is likely that matter and energy have always existed. For a long time I believed there were a finite number of possibilities and therefore it was inevitable that the same scenario would eventually repeat itself, and the universe would stay in a loop. This would mean that I have existed an infinte number of times in the past, however, just as I am not aware of any past selves, neither were any of them and neither will any in the future. Therefore, they are more so copies of me in a diferent time than the same me that continues on in them.

However, I came to a realization a few years back that this is improbable that time would repeat itself. The reason is that the possible combinations of the universe are actually infinite and not finite. The reason is because of particle positions.

If 3 particles are each exactly 1 inch away from each other, then that is one possibilty. Consider that particle 2 moves .0000000000001 cm to the left. There are an infinite number of positions where particles can be, and so there are an infinte number of possibilities for the universe which map to the infinite amount of time. Therefore, it is possible that time loops, but it is unlikely.

However, something new I'm just now thinking is that perhaps the various gravitational pulls and other physical and chemical bonds makes it such that there are many positions that particles CANNOT take. Assuming a finite amount of matter and an eventually collapsing universe, there is a maximum radius of the universe, so these forces may enforce a finite number of positions that the finite number of particles can take, thus enforcing a finite number of possibilities and eventually leading to a repeat of identical events.

Wow, do you just steal everything that you have heard from the history channel?

At 12/14/08 06:29 PM, EntropicOrder wrote: That's cool to hear others talk about time loop theory as I was very excited about the idea a while back!

First, I think it is likely that matter and energy have always existed. For a long time I believed there were a finite number of possibilities and therefore it was inevitable that the same scenario would eventually repeat itself, and the universe would stay in a loop. This would mean that I have existed an infinte number of times in the past, however, just as I am not aware of any past selves, neither were any of them and neither will any in the future. Therefore, they are more so copies of me in a diferent time than the same me that continues on in them.

However, I came to a realization a few years back that this is improbable that time would repeat itself. The reason is that the possible combinations of the universe are actually infinite and not finite. The reason is because of particle positions.

If 3 particles are each exactly 1 inch away from each other, then that is one possibilty. Consider that particle 2 moves .0000000000001 cm to the left. There are an infinite number of positions where particles can be, and so there are an infinte number of possibilities for the universe which map to the infinite amount of time. Therefore, it is possible that time loops, but it is unlikely.

However, something new I'm just now thinking is that perhaps the various gravitational pulls and other physical and chemical bonds makes it such that there are many positions that particles CANNOT take. Assuming a finite amount of matter and an eventually collapsing universe, there is a maximum radius of the universe, so these forces may enforce a finite number of positions that the finite number of particles can take, thus enforcing a finite number of possibilities and eventually leading to a repeat of identical events.

Hmm, you're right, And I started dissecting this theory earlier at work too. There's way too many unlimited variances (unless matter and energy moved along ultra-microscopic micro-cells, like a videogame. Yeah, we know that's not happening) to make this theory valid. Besides, in order for this theory to work, there would have to be a limit to existence somewhere. Unless space looped on a three-dimensional scale.

Maybe this question of where we came from is wayyy too complex for the human brain to formulate a theory for, especially since we have no idea what exists, if anything, beyond our universe. Hell, we still don['t understand half the stuff our tiny little planet does, how are we going to understand all of edxistence?

At 12/15/08 12:37 AM, blackattackbitch wrote: Maybe this question of where we came from is wayyy too complex for the human brain to formulate a theory for, especially since we have no idea what exists, if anything, beyond our universe.

Finally!

Though instead of "theory" it'd be more accurate to say "true-form model" since the latter is what you were really doing, to represent a theory.