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At 12/9/08 10:38 PM, Contipec wrote: cuppa letuce nog is a fucking biggot. he is the kind of persom who make the USA even more of a facist nation

Coming from a man who started this thread.

At 12/9/08 10:38 PM, Contipec wrote: cuppa letuce nog is a fucking biggot. he is the kind of persom who make the USA even more of a facist nation

you know, you're posting to a BBS that is based in America, the country you hate so much. This website was founded by Tom Fulp, an American. He makes money off of this website. This is called Capitalism, which you hate. Advertisers advertise on this website, so they too can make money.

So why don't you do us all a favor and go post on some Venezuelan website about how much you hate big bad corporate America, where people will actually applaud you, rather than think you're a complete fool for posting "I hate America! I hate Capitalism!" on an American Website that is making money in a Capitalist market. Your visiting this site generates money for this website, which is something you should abstain from, because you are helping Americans by doing it.

and if you wanna talk about Fascism. This is the result of your supposed "fanfuckingtastic" Socialist nation Yeah, you can keep that. I sure as hell don't want it. Comrade Chavez is gonna turn your precious paradise of Venezuela into something more closely resembling... oh... late 80's to 1991 USSR. The idea is the same, the path is very similar. And if you don't agree with the government, then the government will silence you if you speak out in public.

You say America is Fascist, but in America we don't shut down Media outlets because the Government doesn't like what is being broadcast. You can keep your shit hole you worship, and I'll keep my free market capitalist nation where I actually have a chance (a small one but still) to actually rise up and be something other than a peasant.

At 12/9/08 10:38 PM, Contipec wrote: cuppa letuce nog is a fucking biggot. he is the kind of persom who make the USA even more of a facist nation

You seem eager to insult Cuppa-LettuceNog. You show enthousiast care about the reputation of Amaricans, and their face around the globe. but. as n64kid wrote.
-Here it is incase you missed it-

At 12/9/08 10:40 PM, n64kid wrote:

At 12/9/08 10:38 PM, Contipec wrote: cuppa letuce nog is a fucking biggot. he is the kind of persom who make the USA even more of a facist nation

Coming from a man who started this thread.

You seemed to be for the idea of boycotting American products. Now thats a decent paradox isn't it.

If you make claims like you did, try to give them some backgrounds. Don't just share your shallow opinion. Explain it. Give the people a chance to either use compliments, that build a even stronger opinion. Or arguments that point out that you have not seen the light. So you can re-think and decide.

But simply calling people "biggots" and crying out fascism. There is no real point in it all is there.

Then again.

At 12/9/08 08:46 AM, marchohare wrote:

At 12/8/08 06:52 AM, Korriken wrote: ...they need to be more like Bill Cosby, Cosby is a prime example of what a black man CAN be.

Much has been made of the fact that a black guy is President Elect, but remember: it took eight years of a Republican administration so disastrous that the Democrats could have won if their candidate had been a used Kleenex to do it.

Obama may be black. From what I picked up (like in this could be rumors.)
It has been said he has an Irish, muslim AND jewish background.
So Its more one of these new corporate buisnessmenn blacks. That made it out of the spiral of poverty.
And it seems right to me. I mean, he IS wearing a suit.
And yes. the democrats have screwed up. It should have ended after only 4 years. but SOMEHOW america elected the bush administration again.
Seems like some people tend to think politics are a game.

But then again, I have little right to speak, since Belgium is in an intense internal combat. (Without weaponry that is.)
An little article about that can be found here.
Crisis in Belgium!

At 12/8/08 02:56 AM, Cuppa-LettuceNog wrote:

Prepare to bookmark the thread that you can now use to personally discredit me next time we get into a heated argument in 3...2...1...

Sweet christ god al-fucking-mighty. There have been, in the recent history of Newground Poli, so many "Racial Double Standards" topics about white posters bitching about the commond racial double standards (How we cant say "N***er" but they can call us "honkey" or "cracker" and such) that I'm surprised this hasn't been on anyones tongue. In all these "double standards" threads the author is quick to add in a semi-apologetic section explaing "I'm not racist or anything, but" or "I'm not trying to insult blacks, but...", and honestly, I'm not going to pussy around like that; I have something to say and I'm gonna say it:

Black people: Shut the fuck up already, no one wants to hear you anymore. Shut the fuck up about EVERYTHING. Shut up about racist police, and racist courts, and racist everything, and shut up about how blacks have to stick together to make it, and how blacks will get it better under Obama, just SHUT THE FUCK UP. Why the fuck can't you be a NORMAL FUCKING RACE, and do what EVERYONE ELSE IN THIS COUNTRY DOES: SHUT UP. Asians don't fucking go screaming and moaning and suing people because they are stereotyped. Isreali's arent screaming estatically in the streets about "OH LAWDY LAWDY, RAHM EMMANUALS GONNA BRING US UP, OUR PEOPLE ARE GOING TO FINALLY BE FREE IN AMERICA". I never had to watch some asshole from Hawaii interupt live coverage of a hurricane to say "George W. Bush doesn't care about Samoan people".

Want to actually 'fix' these problems you are so convinced exist in America? Stop bringing them up and making them the focal point of your actions every day and you'll PROBABLY find they where already fixed with years ago.

That why i love the "irish card".(Its new)
Race card comes up here all the time. We just go with 800 years of slavery > 500 years . :D
I love how ->some<- of the blacks over here think that when they say "White man" it drags the irish into a "you enslaved us" guilt trip.

I just go with, show me where it says the irish enslaved any black nation.
HINT: Say your irish in the states and get out of the guilt trip. ;)

"Black people: Shut the fuck up already"
Fully agree.

Our problems:

Also, English people: Shut the fuck up already with your IRA are baby killers you kill 300k of them little ones, so stop playing the victim and grow a pair .(Joke relax)

Also, irish people: Shut the fuck up already, everybody else gets it 800 years yea yea.

Also, everybody people: Shut the fuck up already, we get it pity and bull about stuff that happened 100+ years ago to get ahead in life.

:D funny world.

At 12/9/08 11:20 PM, Korriken wrote:

At 12/9/08 10:38 PM, Contipec wrote:

idiotic dribble

you have no idea what youre talking about you assbasket. The media outlet you're talking about was allowed to have it's liscence expire years after it helped stage a coup against chavez that was nearly successful, where America the democracy loving nation tried to violently unseat a democratically elected leader of another sovreign nation. If CNN tried to help stage a coup against an american president whoever was responsible at the network would have been sentenced to life or death for treason. The freedom of media in Venezuela is stronger than in the US not weaker, and if you listened to anyone but Billo the clown for your info you might know that, but you don't, youre an ignorant slut.

Venezuela is not on the same political economic path as the USSR was. The USSR was a hyperhierarchy with only a tiny group of military leaders making all of the decisions, a centralized command economy and polity. Venezuela is attempting to create a greater degree of direct democracy than america has and form a much more participatory economy where workers have far more say in the companies they work for. This is not the USSR model, the only similarity is populism, a concept that has innumerable manifestations, one of which was the america model vs it's predecesors at the time of it's creation, and the capitalist model's success is widely attributed to it's diffusion of hierarchy and participation in the economy, allowing for innovation and an organic reward system. Venezuela is trying to push these elements further than the US has, but otherwise has a superb democracy and freedom of the media and speech, with almost no record of human rights violations, something that cannot be said for the US.

At 12/8/08 02:56 AM, Cuppa-LettuceNog wrote:

Prepare to bookmark the thread that you can now use to personally discredit me next time we get into a heated argument in 3...2...1...

Sweet christ god al-fucking-mighty. There have been, in the recent history of Newground Poli, so many "Racial Double Standards" topics about white posters bitching about the commond racial double standards (How we cant say "N***er" but they can call us "honkey" or "cracker" and such) that I'm surprised this hasn't been on anyones tongue. In all these "double standards" threads the author is quick to add in a semi-apologetic section explaing "I'm not racist or anything, but" or "I'm not trying to insult blacks, but...", and honestly, I'm not going to pussy around like that; I have something to say and I'm gonna say it:

Black people: Shut the fuck up already, no one wants to hear you anymore. Shut the fuck up about EVERYTHING. Shut up about racist police, and racist courts, and racist everything, and shut up about how blacks have to stick together to make it, and how blacks will get it better under Obama, just SHUT THE FUCK UP. Why the fuck can't you be a NORMAL FUCKING RACE, and do what EVERYONE ELSE IN THIS COUNTRY DOES: SHUT UP. Asians don't fucking go screaming and moaning and suing people because they are stereotyped. Isreali's arent screaming estatically in the streets about "OH LAWDY LAWDY, RAHM EMMANUALS GONNA BRING US UP, OUR PEOPLE ARE GOING TO FINALLY BE FREE IN AMERICA". I never had to watch some asshole from Hawaii interupt live coverage of a hurricane to say "George W. Bush doesn't care about Samoan people".

Want to actually 'fix' these problems you are so convinced exist in America? Stop bringing them up and making them the focal point of your actions every day and you'll PROBABLY find they where already fixed with years ago.

Before I begin tearing your ass apart, let me begin by saying that I am a black male, 18 years old with a job and a voter registration card. I have a completely clean record and I frequent the internet. I live in the suburbs and most of my friends are white. I hate democrats and I disagree with several portions of obama's agenda.

So SUCK MY FUCKING DICK YOU PIECE OF SHIT! I don't fit any stereotype at all unless you piss me off. Who the fuck are you to say that I don't have the fucking right to bitch about anything and everything? It's my constitutionally guaranteed right!

First of all, I don't go around calling white people honkeys and crackers, regardless of the fact that both racial epithets sound more silly than offensive. Second of all, courts and police are damn sure fucking racist in some instances. Why else are they more apt to pull over and try to search a nice car with a black person in it? Cuz they think they sell drugs dickhead! And once a judge sees a poor black person sitting there with his lazy court-appointed lawyer, you think he's going to have a fair shot? Get the fuck out of here! Why do you think so many cases are being overturned by dna evidence? And you don't see any other race worrying about influencial figures because they don't have to deal with the shit that blacks and latinos (yes I threw latinos in there because I hang around with them quite often. In fact, people of every race was celebrating obama's victory as a victory for them, so your points have been shut down further asshole) have to deal with. We have to deal with a unreasonably high unemployment rate and poverty rate, not to mention social issues.

And I'll be fair in this post. Not every problem that we experience is the fault of the establishment. Our society in general has an issue of idolizing those who commit crimes, but blacks do that more than the rest of society. Black society has a LOT of problems that people absolutely refuse to acknowledge. That doesn't give you the right to be a fucking asshole though.

And to comment on Venezuela real quick, I don't like Chavez's philosophy. He's arrogant and will say anything anywhere about anything and anyone. In addition, I don't think socialism works. Socialism might have gotten a big boost by our recent economic collapse (and the actions of the RIGHT WING ADMINISTRATION BTW) But I still firmly believe that socialism leads to a nanny government and erodes the independence of the people, leaving them open to manipulation by government-sponsored propaganda. (I believe this has already happened here in the U.S.) Government should be controlled by the people, not the other way around. And I believe that when government begins to control the market (and by extension, the people), that principle of democracy is lost.

Because how is the government and the people going to control each other at the same time? Somewhere, someone's gotta give.

At 12/10/08 06:00 PM, blackattackbitch wrote: And to comment on Venezuela real quick, I don't like Chavez's philosophy. He's arrogant and will say anything anywhere about anything and anyone. In addition, I don't think socialism works. Socialism might have gotten a big boost by our recent economic collapse (and the actions of the RIGHT WING ADMINISTRATION BTW) But I still firmly believe that socialism leads to a nanny government and erodes the independence of the people, leaving them open to manipulation by government-sponsored propaganda. (I believe this has already happened here in the U.S.) Government should be controlled by the people, not the other way around. And I believe that when government begins to control the market (and by extension, the people), that principle of democracy is lost.

Because how is the government and the people going to control each other at the same time? Somewhere, someone's gotta give.

You,my sir are a genuis!You managed to fight racism intellegently.I've never seen anybody do that before.Fuck racism.Fuck race.We all here.Thats all that matters.We all people,we all family.

At 12/10/08 06:23 PM, tobi0 wrote: You,my sir are a genuis!You managed to fight racism intellegently.I've never seen anybody do that before.Fuck racism.Fuck race.We all here.Thats all that matters.We all people,we all family.

Nah I think I could have articulated my points much clearer. I was pissed off, so I jumped into a lot of tangents. But thanks anyway.

and I think you quoted the wrong post.

At 12/9/08 10:38 PM, Contipec wrote:

just trolling along...

guys, you gotta realize.
All Contipec does is complain about Americans and Capitalism. Basically he's just an angry Venezuelan troll. if we ignore him, he'll lose his troll power.

Or maybe if we force him in the sun he'll turn into stone...

being of a race that was seen as subhuman tends to make one feel shitty about everything.

And the fact that most people automatically judge you still for it. Trust me. You just have to look around. It's been built into our society now.

Just the other night Jay leno was pissing off p. diddy because he implied that he dealt drugs and belittled his I am King campaign.

despicable. everyone is racist if you can't see it you're just a moron.

At 12/10/08 05:43 PM, XaosLegend wrote: you have no idea what youre talking about you assbasket.

Wanna bet?

The media outlet you're talking about was allowed to have it's liscence expire years after it helped stage a coup against chavez that was nearly successful, where America the democracy loving nation tried to violently unseat a democratically elected leader of another sovreign nation.

It was allowed to to have it license expire? why was it not allowed to renew its license? Its the same thing as shutting them down, except it took longer. Once you learn the more subtle points of politicking, you'll realize that if Chavez would have actively shut down all opposition stations, all at once the people would have revolted.

Instead he does the clever thing, let them remain on the air until the license expires, then refuses to allow the license to be renewed. This way you pick off the stations slowly while averting the wrath of the people.

Now that all of the Venezuelan media is pro Chavez, the others cannot get their message out. It's just like modern day Russia. There is opposition to Putin/Medvedev, but the Russian media isn't going to go very far in advertising this fact because the Russian government is so heavily controlled by a single party that they can simply have them shut down, either actively, by revoking their license and forcing them to shut down or passively by simply letting the license expire and not renewing it.

and if you listened to anyone but Billo the clown for your info you might know that, but you don't, youre an ignorant slut.

In the legendary words of Queen Amidala, "You assume too much." I don't watch television. period. Television is a piss poor way to get information. I scour the internet for my news. I don't even have a television in my home. That and I think Bill O'Reilly is an loud mouth idiot. Not all people who are not rabid leftists pray to Fox news for guidance.

Venezuela is not on the same political economic path as the USSR was. The USSR was a hyperhierarchy with only a tiny group of military leaders making all of the decisions, a centralized command economy and polity.

The path is similar, but that doesn't mean that the means are.

Venezuela is attempting to create a greater degree of direct democracy than america has and form a much more participatory economy where workers have far more say in the companies they work for.

How can you have a democracy without open access to information? all of the media chant praises to Chavez, regardless of what he does. They have to, or their license won't be renewed. It's easy to control the minds of the populace when all the media outlets are tuned in to the exact same message.

Also, This Is what I call power politics! You call THAT democracy? I sure as hell don't. "If my party loses that election, I'll use military force to ensure that my party stays in power anyway!" Is what he is really saying. Defend the people my ass. you don't defend the people by threatening military force if you don't vote for those already in power.

Venezuela is trying to push these elements further than the US has, but otherwise has a superb democracy and freedom of the media and speech, with almost no record of human rights violations, something that cannot be said for the US.

I view politics in a different way than most. I see the USSR and Venezuela being similar in the fact that the way it is set up does not allow, under any circumstances, for the ruling party to lose power. If the people don't like the ruling party, they have no effective means to change it. It is there to stay until someone forces them out. This also comes to mind.

Allow me to pull some quotes from this last link.

If the amendments are ratified by the public next month in a referendum, they will extend Mr. Chavez's term of office from six to seven years and lift a two-term limit on the presidency.

Meaning he will effectively be the president until he dies. How? Look below.

"The proposals also strip the central bank of its autonomy, "
Government takes direct control of the people's money.

"allow the state to expropriate private property"
Government can seize the property of its citizens.

"and give authorities sweeping powers if a national emergency is declared,
Powers? what powers would these be?

"including detention without charges"
Last time I checked, democracies don't just throw people in the clink without charging them for something.

"and controls on news media."
No explanation needed.

Now, the obvious question is THIS. "If Chavez has the power to order tanks to enter a city in the event his party does not win an election. what could stop him from simply declaring an emergency when his party loses, seizing the assets of the opposition candidate, and throwing him in the clink and then silencing the media from reporting it?"

the answer? Nothing. You have, effectively, turned a "Socialist democracy" into a single party authoritarian government that can control everything. Who can declare a state of emergency? Chavez himself? yes. Whether or not he has to have the consent of the National Assembly, because they are all under his thumb. If he says he wants it, he will get it.

While you may have multiple parties in Venezuela, only the United Socialist Party of Venezuela and its allies have any true power.

I am not stupid and I am not blind. It's easy to see how you can turn a democracy into a dictatorship, without every giving up the democratic elections. The people don't see it, they think they live in a democracy, that much is a simple technicality. Do you really think if the people decided to turn against Chavez he would quietly step down, or give a congratulatory speech to the winner and leave? That would be Zimbabwe 2.0. they would simply call "rigged election" and toss out the results.

Anyway, I'll give you plenty of time to dig through all this and try to brush me off as an ignorant redneck that watches fox news... which I don't. I don't watch the news, I don't read newspapers and I only listen to National Public Radio on my way to and from work, which is a combined 30 minutes of radio per day.

At 12/8/08 02:53 PM, Achilles2 wrote:
If you can't understand (like the topic starter and the majority of the responders) that, just because I or another man or woman was born with brown skin, we don't act a certain way because of our skin color, then you are a complete idiot. The science you so often toot your horn with would agree; characteristics such as laziness, stupidity, etc. are not caused by skin color, but by one's mindset.

Hi. You're the one black person I was talking about before, and you have brought up a very important point that ought to be elaborated in this thread.

There is a difference between a black person and a Nig(g)er. A black person is no different from your average minority. They generally work harder and are much smarter because they have to be, they face adversity that pushes them to it. However, a N-word is an American creation. Through peer pressure, a history of racial bias and a strong sense of the older black generation to keep the younger ones down, nig(g)ers were born. They are creatures that now define pop culture. They think being uneducated is cool. They like thug life, street life, prison life, gangster life, hood life, ghetto life, and others that I'm forgetting. They are the major reason black people have problems today.

Thank You.

There is a difference between a black person and a Nig(g)er. A black person is no different from your average minority. They generally work harder and are much smarter because they have to be, they face adversity that pushes them to it. However, a N-word is an American creation. Through peer pressure, a history of racial bias and a strong sense of the older black generation to keep the younger ones down, nig(g)ers were born. They are creatures that now define pop culture. They think being uneducated is cool. They like thug life, street life, prison life, gangster life, hood life, ghetto life, and others that I'm forgetting. They are the major reason black people have problems today.

No they glorify these things because the toughest guys in their nieghborhood epitomize them, the same way many whites idolize the military, police and firemen, and sports stars. Youre blaming the result of poverty for causing poverty. "Theyre poor because they have bad values and are ignorant." No..... they're ignorant and have bad values because theyre poor. Not sure why you're ignorant and have bad values, are you poor too or an outlier?

At 12/8/08 02:56 AM, Cuppa-LettuceNog wrote: Hey, I'm a generalising prick.

Just because some guys complain about racism doesn't mean that he represents the whole group. Why should the black guy who succeeds in life, have to fix the problems of other people because they share the same skin colour? He has no obligation to help the next black person anymore than a white person should help another because of his skin colour. Lastly, there's no such thing as a 'black community' or 'black leaders' to help the problems of the 'black race'. I would be offended if I had a self-proclaimed 'leader' because I belong to certain group or forced to 'fix' the problems of another person because of his skin colour or place the well being of his 'group' above himself. You're treading on thin ice.

At 12/11/08 04:39 PM, ThePretenders wrote:

At 12/8/08 02:56 AM, Cuppa-LettuceNog wrote: Hey, I'm a generalising prick.

Just because some guys complain about racism doesn't mean that he represents the whole group. Why should the black guy who succeeds in life, have to fix the problems of other people because they share the same skin colour?

He shouldn't fix the problem, however depending on how he succeeded, he should or maybe shouldn't be seen as a role model. Problem is, manimals that can barely pass as human, like rappers like "50 cent" and "snoop dog" and other punk bitches who pose as gangsters are seen as role models and upstanding black people like Chris Gardner are just seen as white men with black skin.

I would be offended if I had a self-proclaimed 'leader' because I belong to certain group or forced to 'fix' the problems of another person because of his skin colour or place the well being of his 'group' above himself. You're treading on thin ice.

No one is forced to do anything, and if someone wants to proclaim themselves as a leader, then by all means they should. However if this 'leader' turns out to be a piece of shit scumbag that is getting rich while directly or indirectly harming others, but mentally and/or physically, they should be ostracized from their 'people'.

It was allowed to to have it license expire? why was it not allowed to renew its license? Its the same thing as shutting them down, except it took longer. Once you learn the more subtle points of politicking, you'll realize that if Chavez would have actively shut down all opposition stations, all at once the people would have revolted.

Hey some people see faces in tea leaves, maybe im just not in tune enough with the universe to se a spade as a diamond yet sorry. 1. Shutting down a media outlet for supporting a violent coup is totally legitimate and probably should have been done earlier. 2. the people revolted to put chavez back in power after the 2002 coup, i don't think they would have rerevolted if he got rid of an agent of that coup who had undone the democratic will of the people and installed a business junta that declared martial law and suspended the democratically ratified constitution.

Instead he does the clever thing, let them remain on the air until the license expires, then refuses to allow the license to be renewed. This way you pick off the stations slowly while averting the wrath of the people.

So in the great example to how nations should be designed the USA do major networks have the right to say whatever they want on TV or radio oh wait no theyre not the FCC liscenses them, and theyre all funded by elite business, so exactly how is venezuela falling behind the US on media reflecting the interests of the people?

Now that all of the Venezuelan media is pro Chavez, the others cannot get their message out. It's just like modern day Russia. There is opposition to Putin/Medvedev, but the Russian media isn't going to go very far in advertising this fact because the Russian government is so heavily controlled by a single party that they can simply have them shut down, either actively, by revoking their license and forcing them to shut down or passively by simply letting the license expire and not renewing it.

So much for your claim that all the stations are prochavez, since the station was only cut off from broadcasting and now continues to operate under cable and satellite, as the most popular station in the country.
"Since its return, RCTV has become the most watched channel in Venezuela (despite being on cable). Only 30% of houses have cable in Venezuela but the total amount that view RCTV is higher than all viewers of TVES, Venevision, and all other channels. In Caracas and in Valencia twice as many people view RCTV than Venevision"

Are you going to admit your wrong here or should I just assume you refuse to agknowledge anything that undermines the narrative in your head?

In the legendary words of Queen Amidala, "You assume too much." I don't watch television. period. Television is a piss poor way to get information. I scour the internet for my news. I don't even have a television in my home. That and I think Bill O'Reilly is an loud mouth idiot. Not all people who are not rabid leftists pray to Fox news for guidance.

So... you go to the online surrogates of fox news for your info instead, I'm guessing the Politico is in your favorites? You really think theres a big difference?

The path is similar, but that doesn't mean that the means are.

ok... what path? Any society that tries to help their poor is evil? Is that teh essential distillation of evil marxist policy?

How can you have a democracy without open access to information? all of the media chant praises to Chavez, regardless of what he does. They have to, or their license won't be renewed. It's easy to control the minds of the populace when all the media outlets are tuned in to the exact same message.

I don't know where youre getting this propaganda state concept from, clearly the kind of heavy handed controls on media you would expect in your 1984 fantasy are not there.

Also, This Is what I call power politics! You call THAT democracy? I sure as hell don't. "If my party loses that election, I'll use military force to ensure that my party stays in power anyway!" Is what he is really saying. Defend the people my ass. you don't defend the people by threatening military force if you don't vote for those already in power.

I looked into this, I think what Chavez inferred about military intervention was pretty disgusting, but the person he was talking about did lose, and he didn't intervene with military force, so he said something really stupid, probably the worst thing I've ever heard him say, but didn't carry through on it, probably himself realizing it was a retarded thought. He's not jesus that's for sure but he's better than anything we have in the states, at least his policies are democratically supported, not like in the US where you have Bush carrying out unpopular policy for breakfast and Clinton pushing through NAFTA against his own party and the public in general.

I view politics in a different way than most. I see the USSR and Venezuela being similar in the fact that the way it is set up does not allow, under any circumstances, for the ruling party to lose power. If the people don't like the ruling party, they have no effective means to change it. It is there to stay until someone forces them out. This also comes to mind.

You mean it's set up so that voters continue to get what they want? This is similar to the USSR how?
If the people don't like the ruling party they can vote tehm out, independent poll watchers certify that the elections in venezuela are free elections, I don't understand why you keep saying down is up and black is white (oh wait that'd be the right wing internets priming you sorry forgot) So you're essentially saying you support another violent coup, because dammit democracy just isn't agreeing with you.

If the amendments are ratified by the public next month in a referendum, they will extend Mr. Chavez's term of office from six to seven years and lift a two-term limit on the presidency.

Meaning he will effectively be the president until he dies. How? Look below.

Umm this was already voted down in referendum, so not sure why you torture to death what it would have done. Also it doesn't mean he would be president until he dies, he would be president until the voters say he can't be anymore. If they had chosen to not have term limits that's their choice, it was also their choce not to revoke them.

Now, the obvious question is THIS. "If Chavez has the power to order tanks to enter a city in the event his party does not win an election. what could stop him from simply declaring an emergency when his party loses, seizing the assets of the opposition candidate, and throwing him in the clink and then silencing the media from reporting it?"

what stops our president from doing this?

the answer? Nothing. You have, effectively, turned a "Socialist democracy" into a single party authoritarian government that can control everything. Who can declare a state of emergency? Chavez himself? yes. Whether or not he has to have the consent of the National Assembly, because they are all under his thumb. If he says he wants it, he will get it.

So basically the same controls the US has for this sort of thing, a congress that can say no, but that's only good enough for you in the US, in other countries they need a coup to install a prowestern leader then a "peacekeeping force" left behind to prevent any popular reversal of our action is that about right? (how many superembassies are we building in Iraq?)

I am not stupid and I am not blind. It's easy to see how you can turn a democracy into a dictatorship, without every giving up the democratic elections. The people don't see it, they think they live in a democracy, that much is a simple technicality. Do you really think if the people decided to turn against Chavez he would quietly step down, or give a congratulatory speech to the winner and leave? That would be Zimbabwe 2.0. they would simply call "rigged election" and toss out the results.

You may not be blind but you certianly have a strong imagination, so here you're basically condemning chavez for crimes he's going to commit or would commit if he weren't so damn popular.

Anyway, I'll give you plenty of time to dig through all this and try to brush me off as an ignorant redneck that watches fox news... which I don't. I don't watch the news, I don't read newspapers and I only listen to National Public Radio on my way to and from work, which is a combined 30 minutes of radio per day.

I listen to red radio all the time, it's entertaining, also useful to see what the media wants me to think.

White People Have It Going On... For Now Anyway.
Black People Have It Going On Too, More Than They Give Them Selves Credit For...
Mexicans make some of the Best Food On The Planet... Tacobell Anyone?
Austrailians Have one of the most sexyist Acsents...
And Asions Are Just Strait Up HOT! Even Some Of The Guys Rofl "Kidding"
The French ahhhhh the French.... As Bad As They May Be I Say They Like White People And Black People.
You May Hate Them, You May Have A Book Of Good Reason Why Not To Like Or Trust Them, But You Cant Denie That They Are Smoooooooooth! As Hell!

As Far As Blacks? Stop Bitching, White People Are Under The Same Bullshit You Are.
and if you have it so danm bad, go to your respective embasy and tell them america has oppressed you and you want to be transported back to your home contry, im shoor it will even be free of charge, if your going to stay here, please, Accept MTV, VH1, And any other music channel i can't think of that Your Skin Coler Dominates, And as the creater of this thread so Elegantly and colerfull i might add stated...
Shut The FUCK UP ALLREADY... Thank You And God Bless
BY the way, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THE WHITE ASS WHOLES WHO BROUGHT YOU HERE TO BEGIN WITH.

At 12/8/08 02:56 AM, Cuppa-LettuceNog wrote: so many "Racial Double Standards" topics about white posters bitching about the commond racial double standards (How we cant say "N***er" but they can call us "honkey" or "cracker" and such)

lol, yeah. It's a pretty fucking sweet deal.

Why the fuck can't you be a NORMAL FUCKING RACE

Definition, pl0x.

Asians don't fucking go screaming and moaning and suing people because they are stereotyped.

Sure they do, but every time it happens we keep thinking it's the same guy over and over again.

Isreali's arent screaming estatically in the streets...

The Jews prefer to complain behind closed doors in the safety of a deli.

I never had to watch some asshole from Hawaii interupt live coverage of a hurricane to say "George W. Bush doesn't care about Samoan people".

I suppose that would be because Samoans come from Samoa.

Want to actually 'fix' these problems you are so convinced exist in America? Stop bringing them up and making them the focal point of your actions every day

Yeah, you're right. I need to drastically change my ways. No more shall I wake up in the morning and immediately curse the white man's name, then rant for 40 minutes after breakfast about how he keeps me down in society and prevents me from moving up the social ladder. I'll spread the word to all the people in line at the Welfare Office the next time I go to pick up my check.

HAY GUIZE WUT'S A STEREOTYPE LUL

ITT: Several individuals reveal their ignorant bigoted nature.

At 12/11/08 07:16 PM, THEJamoke wrote: HAY GUIZE WUT'S A STEREOTYPE LUL

That post was funny as hell, but it did lead me to a good point. Cuppa LettuceNog's whole argument was based on stereotypes. And like all people who don't fully understand a situation, he offers his opinion but pretty much makes himself look like a dumbass. He lacks any understanding of the plight of the black race. He doesn't understand that it's harder for us to get a job because of the way we are portrayed and discussed in society. Those damn stereotypes make everything harder for us. And you know what? Our own race has started to willingly play into these stereotypes because it's been ingrained into their mentality.

Which leads me to another point. Earlier on in the thread, someone rebutted an argument that black people are poor because they are ignorant and lazy by saying that black people are lazy and ignorant because of poverty. I would say that neither answer is correct. Back in the earlier years of the previous century, oppression was strong. This oppression left many of our race poor. As the oppression eased up, the poverty didn't, and neither did the ignorance. And it began to create a vicious cycle. Aided by the ineffectiveness of the schools and the mindset of society, black people ended up trapped in a ghetto mentality.

However, there is a hope. I hope that Obama does very very well. By voting for obama, I voted against many of my beliefs hoping that I'd be wrong about my own beliefs because I feel that if Obama does well, that will give minorities something to aspire to. No more will they have to look to MLK and no one else (not that he isn't one of the greatest americans to live, but his time was 40 years ago, since then we've not seen any significant influential minority leader other than Rice, Thomas, and Powell.).

But I'm just chatting now. I'm tired and I can't organize my thoughts. Imma get some damn sleep.

At 12/12/08 01:10 AM, blackattackbitch wrote: This oppression left many of our race poor.

I agree in a sense with much of what you say, except that this point here is something I would like to bring attention to:

It is because people actually believed (and to a degree still do, on all sides) that there are different races.

Let me clear this up for all of you:

There are not. If you are black that is merely your pigmentation you acquired due to your genetic background. It means nothing other than it makes your skin look black. Similarly, being born white merely makes your skin white.

Now that we have gotten that out of the way, it is true that there is an ethnic and cultural group in the US who we don't truly have a very good term for; in a sense "black" is actually better than African American, even though it actually only comments on the color of skin instead of cultural origins.

The reason that members of this cultural group have a very large portion in poverty is due to the history of their people; it is only recently that things have begun getting better. I would give it about 40 more years before things start balancing out. But for now, people, let's begin to spread the basic truth that we all know even if we want to resist it: for all practical purposes:

There is no black and white.

At 12/11/08 04:08 PM, XaosLegend wrote: Youre blaming the result of poverty for causing poverty. "Theyre poor because they have bad values and are ignorant." No..... they're ignorant and have bad values because theyre poor. Not sure why you're ignorant and have bad values, are you poor too or an outlier?

First, think about what you just said. Are rich people rich because they have bad values and are ignorant? No. That's usually not the reason they're rich, unless they live off a trust fund.

Second, read what I wrote, "Through peer pressure, a history of racial bias and a strong sense of the older black generation to keep the younger ones down, nig(g)ers were born."

Now, let's try to understand it. I referenced (said) the peer pressure, history and culture. In other words, I said (and I'm starting with history, try to stay with me) their history of being poor contributed to their being poor.

Let's back up, didn't you say... exactly the same thing I did? Now, if you had read that, you could have just agreed with me. Let's keep going.

Peer pressure, it's a common thing among all people, not just poor, but it's especially prominent among black people. Some times it can be used for good. Athletes often use it to push themselves, but it's also the cause of many bad and deviant behaviors.

I also referenced the culture, specifically the idea that older people generally try to keep their culture. This happens in just about every culture. Older people tend to be more conservative. So, when applied to black people, who had troubles with racism and low paying jobs, there is a spark of jealously among those who do well. White people do aspire to be soldiers and police officers, often because that's what they were, and they want their kids to do it, too. Black people work manufacturing and typical blue collar jobs, so they tend to want to breed blue collar kids, rather than scholars.

Again, going back to what you said, we agree. So shut up.

At 12/12/08 01:22 AM, Tancrisism wrote:

At 12/12/08 01:10 AM, blackattackbitch wrote: This oppression left many of our race poor.

I agree in a sense with much of what you say, except that this point here is something I would like to bring attention to:

It is because people actually believed (and to a degree still do, on all sides) that there are different races.

Let me clear this up for all of you:

There are not. If you are black that is merely your pigmentation you acquired due to your genetic background. It means nothing other than it makes your skin look black. Similarly, being born white merely makes your skin white.

Now that we have gotten that out of the way, it is true that there is an ethnic and cultural group in the US who we don't truly have a very good term for; in a sense "black" is actually better than African American, even though it actually only comments on the color of skin instead of cultural origins.

The reason that members of this cultural group have a very large portion in poverty is due to the history of their people; it is only recently that things have begun getting better. I would give it about 40 more years before things start balancing out. But for now, people, let's begin to spread the basic truth that we all know even if we want to resist it: for all practical purposes:

There is no black and white.

This is one of the dumbest piles of crap I've even skimmed through. Try explaining that to a child. Concepts have to make sense on a fundamental level, idiot. Why bother having colors at all? Maybe... cuz... they... exist? l2raceaware

As for the cultural issue, blacks have been "free" for 150 years. There has been affirmative action for 40, yet schools in Detroit are graduating 25% of their students from high school? Perhaps there is no PHYSICAL differences in intelligence and capability, but the culture sure is different, and it's obviously been that way for a while. Things aren't going to just change. Perhaps if Barak Obama is one of the best presidents ever, white people may come to expect more from black people, but will that change anything? We can only hope so. However, I still think that one black man's accomplishments are not going to encourage millions of black people to stay in school and out of prison, when that's been the culture for hundreds of years.

At 12/12/08 12:19 AM, JackPhantasm wrote: ITT: Several individuals reveal their ignorant bigoted nature.

If you're denying your love of watermelon and fried chicken, you're just not human.

Also Snoop Dogg was in the group that fucking started the style of rap you see today, so I would not compare him to 50 cent.

That's like comparing a steak to a hot dog.

There is no black and white.

This is one of the dumbest piles of crap I've even skimmed through. Try explaining that to a child. Concepts have to make sense on a fundamental level, idiot. Why bother having colors at all? Maybe... cuz... they... exist? l2raceaware

As for the cultural issue, blacks have been "free" for 150 years. There has been affirmative action for 40, yet schools in Detroit are graduating 25% of their students from high school? Perhaps there is no PHYSICAL differences in intelligence and capability, but the culture sure is different, and it's obviously been that way for a while. Things aren't going to just change. Perhaps if Barak Obama is one of the best presidents ever, white people may come to expect more from black people, but will that change anything? We can only hope so. However, I still think that one black man's accomplishments are not going to encourage millions of black people to stay in school and out of prison, when that's been the culture for hundreds of years.

This has little to do with "black" culture (whatever that means) and all to do with the wealth or lack of it in their communities, if you take poor whites and compare them to poor blacks you find their upward mobility is similar, IE it sucks. "black" culture is white culture, we gave it to them when we kidnapped them and forced them to abandon their own. Blacks are often loudmouth aggressive assholes because whites are aggressive loudmouth assholes. The difference is that some whites channel it into a middle class middle management authoritarian utility (like my dad does), and poor blacks just get to yell at each other and beat their wives, the same is true of poor whites.

The diffence is that when whites see blacks being aggresive they get all scurreded and upset about it, and when blacks see angry whites they just say, "Sure thing boss, sorry about that." or think to themselves, "Damn, pulled over for driving while black again, ok Carl be cool be cool, don't want to turn a traffic stop into a twenty year vacation."

At 12/12/08 02:15 AM, Garthredbunlove wrote:

At 12/12/08 12:19 AM, JackPhantasm wrote: ITT: Several individuals reveal their ignorant bigoted nature.

If you're denying your love of watermelon and fried chicken, you're just not human.

Suck my dick, I hate watermelon!!!