Black people: shut the fuck up.

[Cuppa-LettuceNog]

Prepare to bookmark the thread that you can now use to personally discredit me next time we get into a heated argument in 3...2...1...

Sweet christ god al-fucking-mighty. There have been, in the recent history of Newground Poli, so many "Racial Double Standards" topics about white posters bitching about the commond racial double standards (How we cant say "N***er" but they can call us "honkey" or "cracker" and such) that I'm surprised this hasn't been on anyones tongue. In all these "double standards" threads the author is quick to add in a semi-apologetic section explaing "I'm not racist or anything, but" or "I'm not trying to insult blacks, but...", and honestly, I'm not going to pussy around like that; I have something to say and I'm gonna say it:

Black people: Shut the fuck up already, no one wants to hear you anymore. Shut the fuck up about EVERYTHING. Shut up about racist police, and racist courts, and racist everything, and shut up about how blacks have to stick together to make it, and how blacks will get it better under Obama, just SHUT THE FUCK UP. Why the fuck can't you be a NORMAL FUCKING RACE, and do what EVERYONE ELSE IN THIS COUNTRY DOES: SHUT UP. Asians don't fucking go screaming and moaning and suing people because they are stereotyped. Isreali's arent screaming estatically in the streets about "OH LAWDY LAWDY, RAHM EMMANUALS GONNA BRING US UP, OUR PEOPLE ARE GOING TO FINALLY BE FREE IN AMERICA". I never had to watch some asshole from Hawaii interupt live coverage of a hurricane to say "George W. Bush doesn't care about Samoan people".

Want to actually 'fix' these problems you are so convinced exist in America? Stop bringing them up and making them the focal point of your actions every day and you'll PROBABLY find they where already fixed with years ago.

[n64kid]

At 12/8/08 02:56 AM, Cuppa-LettuceNog wrote:

Prepare to bookmark the thread that you can now use to personally discredit me next time we get into a heated argument in 3...2...1...

Coming from a man who started this thread.

[Cuppa-LettuceNog]

At 12/8/08 03:08 AM, n64kid wrote:

Coming from a man who started this thread.

OH GOD THESE PARADOXES HURT MY Caps lock off =(

[Garthredbunlove]

At 12/8/08 02:56 AM, Cuppa-LettuceNog wrote: Want to actually 'fix' these problems you are so convinced exist in America? Stop bringing them up and making them the focal point of your actions every day and you'll PROBABLY find they where already fixed with years ago.

It's true. Self prophecy is the leading cause of inequality. Black people think they are inferior, therefore they are.

Note, I doubt even one black person will respond to this. They don't go on the internet often. And it's a certain fact that 2 black people will not respond.

However, since black people don't really go on the internet... why on earth would you morons make a thread about racial stereotypes where you say "I'm not trying to be racist but..." What pisses me off more than anything else is the number of pussies out there who have an opinion, yet they don't voice it, not because they're scared of being deemed racist by black people, but they're scared of being deemed racist by white people.

Why can't you negros be more like Carlos?

[Korriken]

At 12/8/08 03:19 AM, Garthredbunlove wrote:

Why can't you negros be more like Carlos?

Carlos Mencia? pfft. Carlos Mencia is a 2 bit hack and a material thief. they need to be more like Bill Cosby, Cosby is a prime example of what a black man CAN be. If Bill Cosby ran for president I would vote for him. He was also a hilarious comedian in the 80s and a great actor.
he has the right idea.

To hell with Obama, Cosby needs to the "the one" the black people look up to.

[Masterzakk]

At 12/8/08 06:52 AM, Korriken wrote:

At 12/8/08 03:19 AM, Garthredbunlove wrote:

Why can't you negros be more like Carlos?

Carlos Mencia? pfft. Carlos Mencia is a 2 bit hack and a material thief. they need to be more like Bill Cosby, Cosby is a prime example of what a black man CAN be. If Bill Cosby ran for president I would vote for him. He was also a hilarious comedian in the 80s and a great actor.
he has the right idea.

To hell with Obama, Cosby needs to the "the one" the black people look up to.

A FUCKIN' MEN!!! However on the subject we should be more like alex and just tell people to fuck off about it and beat their asses.

[Tancrisism]

At 12/8/08 06:52 AM, Korriken wrote: To hell with Obama, Cosby needs to the "the one" the black people look up to.

See, this statement is complete bullshit as I am sure the topic-creator would agree with. There is no black and white. Why would someone look up to someone just because they happen to be born with the same skin tone?

[poxpower]

What is a "blacks"?
Can I eat a blacks?

[Mast3rMind]

At 12/8/08 10:47 AM, poxpower wrote: What is a "blacks"?
Can I eat a blacks?

I believe you can. We were once a delicacy. With olskoo, Greenlanturn, and ZenGaijin gone. I'm one of the few left.

[FUNKbrs]

At 12/8/08 11:20 AM, Mast3rMind wrote:
I believe you can. We were once a delicacy. With olskoo, Greenlanturn, and ZenGaijin gone. I'm one of the few left.

What about Wyzzerd? I believe he's la chupanegro as well.

As a white man who lives in Memphis, it always surprises me how few black people are on teh nets. I'm pretty much fully immersed culturally, so it's weird to see the nation as a whole is COMPLETELY out of touch with local culture.

And yes, I have a "black card" despite being a for real whiteface, no makeup. I used to go to a school with so few white people I used to get paid a quarter to hold my breath to turn my face red, because my brown skinned bretheren were too dark to see the change in their own complexions.

BTW, Obama's Irish. Ergo, what does he have to do with black people?

[HomicidialFrog]

At 12/8/08 11:20 AM, Mast3rMind wrote:

At 12/8/08 10:47 AM, poxpower wrote: What is a "blacks"?
Can I eat a blacks?

I believe you can. We were once a delicacy. With olskoo, Greenlanturn, and ZenGaijin gone. I'm one of the few left.

Asians are tastier.

[Jon-86]

At 12/8/08 12:14 PM, FUNKbrs wrote: BTW, Obama's Irish. Ergo, what does he have to do with black people?

The Irish werecalled white N**gers by the british. Indees their were Irish slaves. Killed the Scots enslave the Irish. Not that they managed to do either. And before someone says then he would have even more cause to play the race card, your talking out of your arse.

The simple answer to this thread, get rid of the idiots that still use racial slur in the states, and people wont have cause to be offended. Also the people that are equaily racist by calling you a cracker are just as bad. And you should challenge them about being racist also.

But were never gonna get rid of racism in the near future, its only 50-60 years since balck people got their rights in America, and from an outsideerds view their dosnt seem to be muhc done by your government to educate people on the causes of racism / when their being racist / that they should give it a rap, because it dosnt get them anywhere.

[SteveGuzzi]

While I wouldn't say it at cunty as the topic starter, I actually kinda-sorta agree. At least with the following part:

At 12/8/08 02:56 AM, Cuppa-LettuceNog wrote: Want to actually 'fix' these problems you are so convinced exist in America? Stop bringing them up and making them the focal point of your actions every day

And like someone else said, it's sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you keep casting yourself as the victim then that's all your ever going to be. The truth is, some people LIKE having that role, as fucked up as it sounds. It imbues them with a sense of self-righteousness. Even though they rail against it, they relish the position just for the fact that it gives them something to rail against.

I mean, we can all come up with excuses as to why we don't succeed the way we want to, but placing the blame on everyone but yourself is some bullshit. True, there are those who oppress and those who are oppressed, but the only way the oppressed will ever get anywhere is if they just say "fuck the haters" and go carve their own path regardless of the all troubles the beset them. Now THAT is how you really prove you're not second-class to anyone.

[Korriken]

At 12/8/08 01:06 PM, Jon-86 wrote:

The simple answer to this thread, get rid of the idiots that still use racial slur in the states, and people wont have cause to be offended.

Or they could stop bitching and get off their asses and work their way into normal society. The Mexicans are already doing it. You don't hear them calling each other "Spic" or going on some tirade about how the white man is keeping them down. They come pouring over the border looking for jobs. many of them speak english better than the people born here! when they get paid they don't waste it on frivolous things like an excessively loud sound system for their car so they can annoy the hell out of everyone around them. they don't waste it on trying to imitate some celebrity on some hispanic entertainment channel.

Many of them send the money back to Mexico to feed their family and make them better off. they spend months at a time in America, away from their family so they can support them better.

So to the Americans of all races who sit around on welfare with no job bitching they can't find a job, you need to go fuck yourself, preferably to death. If these Mexicans can flood the borders and find work, you can too. I work all day 5-7 days a week every week without fail. I do my job I get paid, I use the money to support myself with no help from the government.

the problem is, too many people are useless lazy sons of bitches who just want an easy bullshit job that pays lavishly. those jobs don't exist. If you wanna make it through life, then you can either
A: do well in school and go to college.
B: work your ass off, emphasize the value of an education to your children, and do your damnedest to put THEM through college so when you get old they can help take care you of.

C is not an option that should be explored.
C: don't do good in school and find some piss poor job, get on welfare and tell your children that because they were not born rich that they cannot amount to anything.

[Jon-86]

Well you've changed it a bit their, you've gone from people complaining in general, to people complaining they cant find a job. And their right to some extent. Job descrimination dose exist believe it or not. But why should you care if people complain instead of doing anything. Dosnt effect your life and job prospects. Its not as if you can get a job by complaining you havnt got one.

Also about challenging racism in general, it has to be done, otherwise it will continue. Slavery and explotation would be even more common in the western world if people just accepted it. So be glad your mom cant just sell you :)

[Jon-86]

At 12/8/08 01:27 PM, Korriken wrote: the problem is, too many people are useless lazy sons of bitches who just want an easy bullshit job that pays lavishly. those jobs don't exist. If you wanna make it through life, then you can either

Thats danm right, and thats why you look later in life at people who thought they were "too cool for school" when their getting no where, and make sure you dont make the same mistake they did.

[Achilles2]

I'm black, and I...

Nevermind. People like you will be too stupid to understand that race doesn't determine personality. I say that you should just be a normal person, shut the fuck up about stuff that doesn't affect you, and learn the definition of "race" before you make judgments on the entire people under that category.

[Achilles2]

At 12/8/08 02:44 PM, Achilles2 wrote: Nevermind. People like you will be too stupid to understand that race doesn't determine personality. I say that you should just be a normal person, shut the fuck up about stuff that doesn't affect you, and learn the definition of "race" before you make judgments on the entire people under that category.

I don't feel I was clear here, so let me rephrase it:

If you can't understand (like the topic starter and the majority of the responders) that, just because I or another man or woman was born with brown skin, we don't act a certain way because of our skin color, then you are a complete idiot. The science you so often toot your horn with would agree; characteristics such as laziness, stupidity, etc. are not caused by skin color, but by one's mindset.

[Jootn]

Ahum...
Whoa. Thats a lot to take. So this thread was started with races who put themselves as a victim, gradually become the victim, and take adventage of society that supports the victim.
AND SUDDENLY
There was talk about the circle of poverty.

Therefore I shall have to formulate multiple opinions in a single post.
As a Dutchmen, my english vocabulary may not reach to its full extent as others here possess, so bear with me.
First there is the problem about taking abuse of rascism,
I have witnessed a sortlike event, there was a Polish (Russian) Student slacking off during geography class. The teacher pointed out that he had the pay attention. Incling the word "alsjeblieft" in his sentence which would be the dutch word for "please".
As struck by lightning the kid responded with "You Rascist, I don't have to take this from you." The teacher gave him detention. The principal gave him a warning not to abuse his position.

I concluded that behavior - like the kid in this situation - is fueled by spineless people who easely cower in fear of a lawsuit.
People like the Principal and the geo-teacher have a broader vision on society and the world as a whole, they have estimated every aspect of the situation and have acted how they should have.
Period.

Now left to talk about, Immigrants, the eductional system, language gaps, lazyness, the spiral of poverety.

O-KAY! deep breath. onto the next ones.

Immigrants like the Kid above, and their parents get support from the "OCMW" once they are legeally belgian. So they are provided with minimal housing, water, gas electricity and even some money every month.
Not many take advantage of this. Almost every immigrant I know has adapted to our life, keeping aspects of there own(e.g. religion, food).Children will always be rebels and tend to defend or offend races. Considered normal.
The occasional lingual gap is easely solved by evening lessons.
And after the language of Dutch AND French (Belgium is bi-lingual) is controlled by the children. They are blended into the schools. With only a problem every now and then (see above).

Lazyness and immigrants.
I'm going to be hated now...
There was a actuality program on TV called "Man-Bijt-Hond"("Man-Bites-Dog" loosly translated) it shows alternate news. It still is very interesting news. It shows more forgotten topics. And one of the topics would hapen to be immigrants. All of the exotic immigrants could speak French or Dutch or both, with a funny accent ofcourse. But it struck me when I saw a married couple of Americans. They knew not even a single word Dutch OR French. I won't generalize. But that shows that some people try harder then other.

And finally the spiral of poverty.
The hardest nut to crack here.

The spiral itself will be explained first, then the 4 ways to enter it.

You can enter it at any point, so I will just begin with a random entry point.

You've lost your job. You no longer can support yourself. you turn to the government for help.

You get a low income. This means you can only afford poor housing and poor quality food. The poor housing will prove to be humid, combined with your lowered resistance of the poor food.

You get sick often. Docters waltz in and out your front door daily. You can no longer attend to anything and the little work you do have doesn't get done.

Your family suffers from this. And at a given point so do their grades.
So they either have no job later (Go to "you lost your job and repeat")
OR
They get unworthy education. They are forced to accept a under-paid job. Since they have work the government doesn't back them up.
(Go to "You get a low income" and repeat)

Thats the spiral.

The first way of entering it is called "individual blame" meaning "It's your own fault, loser."
You either are overly excentric when you can't afford it, you could even be lazy. Or you waste far too much money which might not be entirely yours. Congratz, you now have debts. Enter the spiral.

The second way is called "individual accident" Meaning as much as "It's not your fault, but it affects only you..."
The main breadwinner of the family suddenly dies. Leaving the significant other with a family to feed.
Or you are handicapped. The government tries to help you. But its the government that fails, not you.
Or General accident. You are absent from work too long, can't pick up the pace again and are eventually fired.
All three are tragic, but daily life for many.
Enter the spiral.

The third is called "Society's fault" meaning well... that it's society's fault.
The society thrives on underpaid people. Poor people where practicly raised to be poor.
Sad but true, you may now enter the spiral.

The fourth is "society's accident" = Its because society's changed that we don't need you anymore.
Wars destroy jobs, so does automatisation, economic crisis and migration.
Being jobless. You now get to enter the spiral.

A monster post here. Might not be entirely clear of typo's.
Any way I hope this doesn't raise more questions.

[XaosLegend]

Asians and jews don't go compalining because they perform better than avg in the US economy than the avg person, there are some issues but overall theyre pretty happy, blacks on the other hand are poor ass bastards, per capita they have like 1/5th the wealth of whites.

Theres's a seperate history between blacks and other minority groups, these other groups by and large do not descend from the slaves of US citizens. (Some exceptions with native americans and defacto for the chinese) Blacks still only make about 1/2 the income of whites and the relative wealth is even worse (I think it's like 1/5th I remember it being really dramatic) Now you can go into all sorts of subjective reasons why this happens, but being a black person comes with alot of baggage that must be dealt with by that individual, and the reality that racism still exists in strong ways.

Many of the people that control the economic outcomes of people in this country are quite old they control business policies that can either help blacks or hurt them (which policy is justified is another subjective thread) these people grew up at times when blacks were very much second class citizens, and they continue to train the next generation of the powerful. Attitudes tend to be sticky within a single lifetime and even accross many generations. I would say most of these older white people are still significantly biased against blacks even if theyve made significant improvements within their lifetimes.

I'm white as white can be, and see how eager my family and other whites are to DECLARE UPON THE MOUNTIAN that racism is dead and should be dropped as a valid issue. This rabid eagerness strikes me protesting too much, there is no clear end point to racism, and valid incidents of it's existence demand attention to prevent a reversal of the positive trend. It's clear to me that being black is not the major problem of blacks in the economy anymore, it's mostly their starting economic positition in life that determines the quality of their influences, their opportunities. It's bad to be any race and born poor, but being black does have additional negatives. While many people consider themselves not to be racists they still would not be happy with or attempt to prevent their children from dating blacks. I know my wife's family would probably have strong reservations about it if I had been black. This kind of attitude is a sign of the risidual biases against skin color that effect all social interaction, social interactions that determine most things in human life.

[FUNKbrs]

At 12/8/08 03:59 PM, Jootn wrote: Ahum...

Great first post!

Now, about the Americans in your example...

You do know americans refuse to learn more than one language out of a philosophical cultural belief, right? Basically, the idea is that you only NEED one language, and any time spent learning another language would be better used learning a technical skill. And in fact, this is considered the way in which America basically dominated the world; we focused on OUR culture, and improving THAT, as opposed to studying other cultures in order to assimilate the better aspects of them.

It's like the difference between building a new car from scratch, and diassembling several cars for parts and building a car with the used parts. You can't make a good culture by conglomerating multiple bad/poor/mediocre cultures together into one. You have to have one, solid, good culture, and do your best to keep negative influences out of it.

Sounds awfully Nazi, I know, but the Nazis invented the multistage rocket which resulted in the satellite technology we enjoy today, so they had to be doing SOMETHING right.

[homor]

OH NO YOU DIDN'T!

mmh hmm, uh uhn honey no i don't play that, know what i'm saying?

HAHA! STEREOTYPES!

[homor]

OH NO YOU DIDN'T!

mmh hmm, uh uhn honey no i don't play that, know what i'm saying?

HAHA! STEREOTYPES!

[homor]

At 12/8/08 06:52 PM, homor wrote: HAHA! STEREOTYPES!

argh, fucking internet connection.

[Brick-top]

Woah! Someone needs to chill.

Reading a thread which is about bitching and complaining about other's bitching is funny.

[RWT]

It's unfair to charactarize all black people as fitting the stereotype.

But a large portion do. You have to admit that.

[aninjaman]

At 12/8/08 05:24 PM, FUNKbrs wrote: You do know americans refuse to learn more than one language out of a philosophical cultural belief, right? Basically, the idea is that you only NEED one language, and any time spent learning another language would be better used learning a technical skill. And in fact, this is considered the way in which America basically dominated the world; we focused on OUR culture, and improving THAT, as opposed to studying other cultures in order to assimilate the better aspects of them.

Its not our fault all the tourist resorts have people that speak english. I went to Paris once and everyone there spoke English.
Also it is acually a required course in school to learn a second language so maybe someone cares.

[aninjaman]

At 12/8/08 02:56 AM, Cuppa-LettuceNog wrote: Black people: Shut the fuck up already, no one wants to hear you anymore. Shut the fuck up about EVERYTHING. Shut up about racist police, and racist courts, and racist everything, and shut up about how blacks have to stick together to make it, and how blacks will get it better under Obama, just SHUT THE FUCK UP.

Because you know, all black people are excatly the same and being black automatically makes you an angry black person.

scientifically proven

[Jootn]

At 12/8/08 04:36 PM, XaosLegend wrote: ..., it's mostly their starting economic positition in life that determines the quality of their influences, their opportunities. It's bad to be any race and born poor, but being black does have additional negatives. ...ect.

Exactly as I said. Blacks where as simple as an import product for cheap labour when they first set foot in America. Therefore that means their economic starting position wasn't even in the spiral of poverty. They weren't poor, they where as much as livestock. It was beyond poverty. They ascended to the spiral of poverty. And white people, as much as ANY person, would rather not mix with lower class citizens. It would be HIGHLY uncommon, if not impossible to see a princess marry a achieved buisnessman. Because royalty stands above the elite. As much as the elite stands above the middle class, As much as the middle class are above the lower class.

And when blacks, at that time "negroes" where emancipated they where lower class. And the white people ranged from middle class, to anywhere above. It is simple because their ancestors wher poor that "being black" received the connotation of being poor, from a less worthy stance in society.

Again we can house the blacks who fit to this desctipion in this entrance:

At 12/8/08 03:59 PM, Jootn wrote:

:...
:The third is called "Society's fault" meaning well... that it's society's fault.
:The society thrives on underpaid people. Poor people where practicly raised to be poor.
Sad but true, you may now enter the spiral.
:...ect...
So basicly its the way that society looks up against poor people. It is capitalisms fault. BUT there is no alternative to capitalism, the Sovjets tried comunismm but they horribly failed due to currupted polititians and lazy citizens. So there is no other way possible. It will forever remain:
Lower class thrives to become middle class.
Middle class thrive to become Elitists.
Elitists will try to get married into Royalty.
And Royalty... will probably try to be deified.

If it where the other way around (e.g. whites being imported into afrika as slaves.) There would be an EXACT same situation. Only inverted.

At 12/8/08 05:24 PM, FUNKbrs wrote:

At 12/8/08 03:59 PM, Jootn wrote: Ahum...

Great first post!

Now, about the Americans in your example...

:ect...
Thanks,

I didn't mean to generalize as in the first post above. But being a
Belgian citizen does mean you have to comprehend the language fully. So for them to immigrate without learning dutch is arrogant. (I speak only of those two people.)

And EXACTLY. It has been one of my major beliefs to generalize language. 1 language for 1 world. It is an ideal situation. It would be ever so nice to be able to speak to anyone anywhere with the use of one language, one metric system. And it is largly completed. The developed country's teach english as a cirriculum in school. because one of the financial prowesses of this world would happen to be the US.

[marchohare]

At 12/8/08 06:52 AM, Korriken wrote: ...they need to be more like Bill Cosby, Cosby is a prime example of what a black man CAN be.

You mean they can all make movies like Ghost Dad and Leonard Part 6? Please... NOOOOOO!

Much has been made of the fact that a black guy is President Elect, but remember: it took eight years of a Republican administration so disastrous that the Democrats could have won if their candidate had been a used Kleenex to do it.