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Hopefully when that dumb fuck Charles comes to "power" and gets ideas above his station he'll go too far and force the the monarchy to be dissolved.

The man is a genuine buffoon and a constitutional disaster in waiting, well known for his incessant and aggressive hectoring of ministers and law makers. God only knows how much worse it well get when he is king. Unfortunately, I fully expect the apathetic British public to accept this gross invasion of their democratic rights.

At 12/11/08 11:04 AM, Ledgey wrote: They're a major part of British culture, which I bet is what a majority of tourists come to see.

There's no such thing as 'British culture'.

All the British do is mooch off of other cultures.

You want a clear insight into British culture?

Picture a typical American city except with more ethnic minorities and more imbeciles.

You're a stupid bitter cunt, Ryan.

At 12/11/08 02:09 PM, Centurion-Ryan wrote:

At 12/11/08 11:04 AM, Ledgey wrote: They're a major part of British culture, which I bet is what a majority of tourists come to see.

There's no such thing as 'British culture'.

All the British do is mooch off of other cultures.

You want a clear insight into British culture?

Picture a typical American city except with more ethnic minorities and more imbeciles.

And just to qualify that statement before I get banned or whatever, you're stupid because, for one, whatever the murkiness of Britain's past and present, its extraordinary cultural contribution to the world cannot be ignored. Your "American city" comment is also stupid (as in, genuinely nonsensical), because you're implying (I think) Britain has "mooched" off of US culture, which is obviously a bit backwards. Your point about ethnic minorities is not only stupid but wholly incorrect, as the US has a far higher rate of ethnic diversity than Britain. I can only assume that comment was fueled by some bizarre anti-immigrant sentiment.

Though I should expect nothing less from some bigoted Nordie pleb.

At 12/11/08 11:04 AM, Ledgey wrote: They're a major part of British culture, which I bet is what a majority of tourists come to see.

What, can't keep culture without royalty?

At 12/11/08 03:50 PM, altanese-mistress wrote:

At 12/11/08 11:04 AM, Ledgey wrote: They're a major part of British culture, which I bet is what a majority of tourists come to see.

What, can't keep culture without royalty?

Indeed. We'll still have Buckingham Palace and all that shite, not like any tourists actually get to see the Royal family.

At 12/11/08 02:09 PM, Centurion-Ryan wrote:

At 12/11/08 11:04 AM, Ledgey wrote: They're a major part of British culture, which I bet is what a majority of tourists come to see.

There's no such thing as 'British culture'.

Just because you haven't seen British culture.

What, can't keep culture without royalty?

They're called a ceremonial monarchy for a reason. Of course we can retain culture, but naturally they're a very involved part in attracting tourism. They're definitely not harming it either way.

The point is, why fix something that's not broken? If you want true democracy, look for electoral reform of Parliament instead.

At 12/11/08 12:46 AM, Earfetish wrote:

At 12/10/08 05:21 PM, Centurion-Ryan wrote: God forbid England gets rid of a redundant monarchy and puts someone who is important's face on money.

shit man this kinda changed my opinion

They dont print the queens head on scottish money. So its no totaly unusual :)

At 12/11/08 03:12 PM, Pons-Aelius wrote: its extraordinary cultural contribution to the world cannot be ignored.

Would that be the slave trade and colonialism?

At 12/11/08 03:12 PM, Pons-Aelius wrote: Your "American city" comment is also stupid (as in, genuinely nonsensical), because you're implying (I think) Britain has "mooched" off of US culture, which is obviously a bit backwards.

Not at all, American culture influences a lot of things over her all the time, hell look at half the music scenes over here that originated from over their.

Give me an example of British "culture" hopefully you dont say "tea and biscuits"

At 12/11/08 03:12 PM, Pons-Aelius wrote: its extraordinary cultural contribution to the world cannot be ignored.

Would that be the slave trade and colonialism?

Yeah, great innit.

At 12/11/08 03:12 PM, Pons-Aelius wrote: Your "American city" comment is also stupid (as in, genuinely nonsensical), because you're implying (I think) Britain has "mooched" off of US culture, which is obviously a bit backwards.

Not at all, American culture influences a lot of things over her all the time, hell look at half the music scenes over here that originated from over their.

I never said the US hasn't in turn influenced Britain, of course it has. What's your point?

Give me an example of British "culture" hopefully you dont say "tea and biscuits"

tea and biscuits omg lololol

What's your argument here? If it's that Britain has no definable culture or has had no cultural impact on the world then you obviously believe no country has, and that the concept of culture is redundant.

Britain has a massively rich culture in arts, music, literature, sport, science, technology, architecture, politics etc.

Or are you coming from the angle that "THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS BRITAIN CAUS AHM SCAWTISH MAN!!" in which case go away.

At 12/11/08 06:40 PM, Pons-Aelius wrote: Yeah, great innit.

No its a shame were slowly ridding ourself of.

At 12/11/08 03:12 PM, Pons-Aelius wrote:

I never said the US hasn't in turn influenced Britain, of course it has. What's your point?

When you say "Britain has "mooched" off of US culture". what is it you mean then?

At 12/11/08 06:40 PM, Pons-Aelius wrote: Britain has a massively rich culture in arts, music, literature, sport, science, technology, architecture, politics etc.

Or are you coming from the angle that "THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS BRITAIN CAUS AHM SCAWTISH MAN!!" in which case go away.

Yeah man thats me :) You have English, Welsh and Scottish culture. Not British culture. Were actually all seporate. The union is a trade union not a cultural one ;-)

It's not like the monarchy has any real political power (though it still creates an influence). Today, it's really nothing more than a symbol of tradition; a symbol of something that has existed for hundreds upon hundreds of years. I don't think it does or would do any harm to England if they keep it or get rid of it. In short, no, they shouldn't get rid of them.

At 12/10/08 05:22 PM, Ledgey wrote:

At 12/8/08 07:43 PM, Brick-top wrote:

At 12/8/08 07:35 PM, MrHero17 wrote: The royal family and the palace and what not generate alot of tourist revenue so there's that.

lol

Now, like I suggested earlier we can still make tourism thrive, but without the huge cost.

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.
asp?id=178

Tourist expenditure 2005 - £14.2 billion.

Small price to pay if you ask me.

This link doesn't show where tourists go or what they do. Which means it does not show they spend (X) amount of money to just go and see the royal family.

I'm fairly sure there are a few more attractions to see other than the monarchy. I've even seen American and Australian tourists visiting Holy Island (when I went hiking there) Which is in the middle of nowhere and the majority of time the road is cut off.

At 12/6/08 11:29 AM, Conspiracy3 wrote: It doesn't matter whether or not they do. The monarchy is just a figurehead. Who cares whether there is a king or not if that king has no power.

The monarchy still uses up taxpayer money. If the queen wants a new necklace, she buys it with her subjects money, just like she would've done 300 years ago.

Although I'm not British, would I be correct in thinking that the King/Queen today is nothing more than an informal celebrity? Like a past President no one really pays attention to anymore excpet out of some respect?

At 12/11/08 03:50 PM, altanese-mistress wrote:

At 12/11/08 11:04 AM, Ledgey wrote: They're a major part of British culture, which I bet is what a majority of tourists come to see.

What, can't keep culture without royalty?

Yeah, that's a pretty fucking weak culture if it depends on mortal beings who haven't even earned the right to be treated better than anyone else besides the fact that they're a part of some bullshit royal bloodline or something.

At 12/11/08 03:12 PM, Pons-Aelius wrote:

I never said the US hasn't in turn influenced Britain, of course it has. What's your point?

When you say "Britain has "mooched" off of US culture". what is it you mean then?

I didn't say that...

No way! They will always hold their Queen close to their hearts. Can you imagine Great Britain without a royal family? They are simply inseparable. The royal family will never rule the country again, but they will always be celebrated for pride, tradition and national heritage.

At 12/11/08 09:23 PM, Battl3Mast3r wrote: but they will always be celebrated for pride, tradition and national heritage.

But why.

At 12/11/08 10:32 PM, animehater wrote:

At 12/11/08 09:23 PM, Battl3Mast3r wrote: but they will always be celebrated for pride, tradition and national heritage.

But why.

An excellent question, I'm not exactly sure--I have never lived under a half-monarchy :/

I don't know if it is to reason why, it may just be

At 12/11/08 09:12 PM, Pons-Aelius wrote:

At 12/11/08 03:12 PM, Pons-Aelius wrote:

I never said the US hasn't in turn influenced Britain, of course it has. What's your point?

When you say "Britain has "mooched" off of US culture". what is it you mean then?

I didn't say that...

Ah your right you put thoes words in someone elses mouth. But you say thats a bit backwards and then agree the US influences the UK? Would that not mean you agree with the initial statment? Also do you have any sources for your claim on cultural diversity when it comes to the numbers of immigrants in the UK compared to the US? I wouldnt say theirs anything "anti-immigration" when saying what you know as British culture is actually a mix of a lot of other cultures that have came here. Also mooch means borrow. Its no a negative word.

Still waiting for your example of british culture!

The Bolsheviks knew how to deal with a royal family.

Afterward, take all that crap they owned and sell it to the highest bidder. Warren Buffet, Carlos Helu, Bill Gates and the 97 other richest people in the world might like to buy those sparkly trinkets and lavish palaces for their main squeezes. They don't have enough stuff. How can you ever have enough stuff?

Then, take that money, and use it for the public good. Use it to establish a new Health Police Force to ensure that nobody smokes in public, and to levy additional taxes on fat people who are costing the British Healthcare system billions. Expand Drug Education and Awareness (whatever they call the equivalent of DARE in England). Buy all new computers for the school system, equipped with the latest Adobe software. Establish a Bureau of Tradition, and an Office of Heterosexual Marriage. Spend every ha'penny on highly important stuff like that.

Can anyone tell when I'm being sarcastic? Because by golly, I am.

Yeah, that's a pretty fucking weak culture if it depends on mortal beings who haven't even earned the right to be treated better than anyone else besides the fact that they're a part of some bullshit royal bloodline or something.

They're part of British culture just like the American flag is part of American culture. They're a national symbol. It doesn't "depend" on the Royal Family, but there is absolutely no point in aboloshing it.

The same thing I ask myself BUT with Spain.(I'm going to be Spanish =D)

At 12/12/08 05:52 PM, Jon-86 wrote:

At 12/11/08 09:12 PM, Pons-Aelius wrote:

At 12/11/08 03:12 PM, Pons-Aelius wrote:

I never said the US hasn't in turn influenced Britain, of course it has. What's your point?

When you say "Britain has "mooched" off of US culture". what is it you mean then?

I didn't say that...

Ah your right you put thoes words in someone elses mouth.

No I didn't. Do you have comprehension difficulties or something? Centurion-Ryan was the first person to bring up "mooching".

But you say thats a bit backwards and then agree the US influences the UK? Would that not mean you agree with the initial statment?

Of course not. Britain has influenced the US and vice versa.

Also do you have any sources for your claim on cultural diversity when it comes to the numbers of immigrants in the UK compared to the US? I wouldnt say theirs anything "anti-immigration" when saying what you know as British culture is actually a mix of a lot of other cultures that have came here. Also mooch means borrow. Its no a negative word.

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Are you actually a mong? Jesus Christ.

He said UK cities were just like US ones but with more "ethnic minorities and imbeciles", no-one said anything about immigrants. It's fairly obvious to anyone with half a brain that a higher percentage of the US population is made up by ethnic minorities than in the UK.

Still waiting for your example of british culture!

Yeah, I listed the various cultural fields where the British have made a massive contribution in earlier. You can carry on telling yourself that the countries of the union are so vastly different so as to make "British culture" non-existent if you like.

Actually, I don't even know why you're defending Centurion-Ryan's point of view, he's not saying that there's no such thing as British culture because Britian is simply a trade union like you are, he's saying there's no such thing because "all the British do is mooch off of other cultures". In other words he's coming from an anti-English/Scotch/Welsh angle.

anyway you're both idiots so w/e

At 12/6/08 01:37 AM, mikailus wrote: So what's the point of keeping them?

The monarchy are sort of a beacon for the Brits - it's nigh-on impossible to get people to stand behind their Government as their viewed as vessels of corruption and self-interest, and someone that can be voted out easily (which isn't necessarily true, in actual fact), but the monarchy are a pillar which props up what is considered English/British (delete as you see fit) and has done for centuries.

To put it another way, the monarchy have been done away with before, by Oliver Cromwell in the aftermath of the Civil War. Yet with Cromwell's death, The People did not want a continuation of the Long Parliament, but a return of the Monarchy. True, Cromwell's dictatorial leanings may have influenced the decision somewhat, but "monarchy" conjours images of greatness and history, "government" doesn't.

At 12/6/08 01:30 AM, frigi wrote: There is no real monarchy in England. The royal family are just celebrities now, nothing more.

They are the figureheads of the nation and embody the spirit of the United Kingdom. They represent the pride of a nation and as such should be respected and treated with the utmost courtesy!!

At 12/13/08 01:48 PM, Pons-Aelius wrote: In other words he's coming from an anti-English/Scotch/Welsh angle.

anyway you're both idiots so w/e

Well no really, you have distored this argument a bit much. If anything what Centurion-Ryan said supports your claim of a British culture to begin with. Yes you listed vasious fields some of which are not even classed as "cultural" but you didnt give any examples did you?

I will pick one I know, sports. Golf, snooker and football. Examples of scottish culture as they originated in scotland (even before the union was formed). Lets take another Elevenses which although wiki says is british is an English tradition. Because when people say britain but think england. Which I have learned recently.

You cant put your finger on one good example that comes from a mixture of all naitons thta make up the union. Also I would say their are a larger number of ethnic minorities in cities in the UK. And how is "anti-immigration" any different from "anti-ethnic minority" like you seem to think. Do dont get minority groups who are ont immigrants coming to a country. And people have been immigrating here for hundreds of years. From all over the world.

If you can find a source for that post it.

At 12/11/08 02:09 PM, Centurion-Ryan wrote:

At 12/11/08 11:04 AM, Ledgey wrote: They're a major part of British culture, which I bet is what a majority of tourists come to see.

There's no such thing as 'British culture'.

All the British do is mooch off of other cultures.

You want a clear insight into British culture?

Picture a typical American city except with more ethnic minorities and more imbeciles.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Oh wait, youre being serious? Allow me to laugh harder.....

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I mean jesus, WHAT?!?!

If anything, AMERICA has a culture that is a pel mel of other peoples. Seeing as your whee founded by settlers from all over Europe, you incorperated african culture into your own when slaves came over etc.

British culture could only be understood by someone who has spent their whole life in Britain. And our cities are nothing like American cities....

Jees, get a clue

imbecile...

I think that they should get rid of them. Just my opinion though.