You Know What I Hate? Dj's. (rant)

[NickSandwich]

Well, I don't hate all DJ's, just a few of them.
Just the ones that make more money than the artists whose music they spin *cough* TIESTO *cough*.
Why anyone would pay $40 to watch this guy stand in front of a crowd and press play on a turntable is beyond me. Seriously, would someone explain this?
Do people have the impressions that DJ's actually MAKE this music or something?? Because I can't think of any other explanation. DJ's become DJ's because they lack talent but still want to be involved in music somehow, so they play OTHER PEOPLE'S songs in a continuous "mix" at dance parties and entertain people. D-I-S-C....J-O-C-K-E-Y!!! 'DISC', not 'I-play-instruments-and-record-music-tha t-I-create'.
People tell me, "But Tiesto puts out his own songs!" Okay, so he has SOME musical talent... but if you go read the credits to those songs, you'll notice he 'co-writes' them with famous, REAL artists. The songs he makes by himself are REALLY, REALLY bad.
And yet this bastard still manages to bring out crowds WAY bigger than any of those of the artists themselves, and charges twice as much for admission!
I don't get it! Am I the only one that thinks this is wrong???

[Phoog]

Some DJs are really talented. I bet you couldn't do a mix. And I bet you couldn't scratch that shizzle, foo'!

It's like saying producers shouldn't get paid because they're not playing any instruments.

[Hades]

At 12/4/08 05:21 PM, Ambimetric wrote: It's like saying producers shouldn't get paid because they're not playing any instruments.

Seconded. Being a good DJ really requires a lot of effort and music knowledge.

[Phoog]

At 12/4/08 05:29 PM, Hades0013 wrote: Seconded. Being a good DJ really requires a lot of effort and music knowledge.

As well as technical knowledge. More technical knowledge than your average joe guitar player guy.

[NickSandwich]

At 12/4/08 05:21 PM, Ambimetric wrote: Some DJs are really talented. I bet you couldn't do a mix. And I bet you couldn't scratch that shizzle, foo'!

It's like saying producers shouldn't get paid because they're not playing any instruments.

Sure, some DJ's are better than others. A lot of them really suck, actually. I've done mixes before. It's not hard. Scratching's not hard either.

And I didn't say DJ's shouldn't get paid.

[EchozAurora]

Very true... then again.. I have the most respect for people that both produce and dj. Mastering both is definitely the way to go if you want to go anywhere in today's scene.

[NickSandwich]

At 12/4/08 05:30 PM, Ambimetric wrote:

At 12/4/08 05:29 PM, Hades0013 wrote: Seconded. Being a good DJ really requires a lot of effort and music knowledge.

As well as technical knowledge. More technical knowledge than your average joe guitar player guy.

I dare you to try to back this up.

[Hades]

At 12/4/08 05:30 PM, Ambimetric wrote: As well as technical knowledge. More technical knowledge than your average joe guitar player guy.

Dude, leave Joe out of this. He didn't do you no wrong. XD

And forgot to mention one more thing: DJ's don't get popular out of the blue, they also have to work to build up a reputation, otherwise anyone would be a successful DJ.

[NickSandwich]

At 12/4/08 05:32 PM, EchozAurora wrote: Very true... then again.. I have the most respect for people that both produce and dj. Mastering both is definitely the way to go if you want to go anywhere in today's scene.

Producers are like the directors of the music world. They don't actually do anything, they just tell everyone else what to do in order to achieve that certain sound. There's usually a sound engineer that comes in after and does the mixing and mastering.

[the-aenigma]

At 12/4/08 05:30 PM, Ambimetric wrote:

At 12/4/08 05:29 PM, Hades0013 wrote: Seconded. Being a good DJ really requires a lot of effort and music knowledge.

As well as technical knowledge. More technical knowledge than your average joe guitar player guy.

Horseshit. Ever try playing a guitar?

[EchozAurora]

I'm talking about the type of producer that composes everything and does some if not most of the mixing and well.. some even self-master although understandably many use a professional mastering service.

[NickSandwich]

At 12/4/08 05:38 PM, EchozAurora wrote: I'm talking about the type of producer that composes everything and does some if not most of the mixing and well.. some even self-master although understandably many use a professional mastering service.

That would be a self-produced, self-mixed, self-mastered artist/composer.
You can't just say 'producer' and mean all of those things. People will get confused.

[Nav]

I can't explain myself effectively to a person who has only heard Tiesto DJ. Tiesto is an electronic music rock star: he acts as a figurehead to be worshipped. If you start caring more about WHO's DJing, rather than WHAT's playing, it's not true DJing anymore.

Plus, DJing is a totally different skill set than playing guitar. The only similarities are that you need a good sense of phrase (for beatmatching), and decent motor skills (for vinyl). The rest is all just a love of music, practice, and the ability to know when a track is good, and what will sound good before/after it.

It's harder than it sounds :S

[Krank]

you're telling me youy hate people as awesome as this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axJZzeYGb 60

[S3C]

At 12/4/08 05:21 PM, Ambimetric wrote:

It's like saying producers shouldn't get paid because they're not playing any instruments.

I dont understand your analogy. The OP is complaining about people who dont make music, just spin it. Producers make the music, using the instruments in the process is irrelevant.

[Krank]

At 12/4/08 06:27 PM, Bjra wrote: you're telling me youy hate people as awesome as this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axJZzeYGb 60

excuse me, I just found this in the related videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_C5wJh4d K0

[Envy]

At 12/4/08 06:27 PM, Bjra wrote: you're telling me youy hate people as awesome as this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axJZzeYGb 60

Hes not talking about those DJ's he's talking about people who basically just play a song and mix/apply filters basically.

[Krank]

At 12/4/08 06:33 PM, Envy wrote:

At 12/4/08 06:27 PM, Bjra wrote: you're telling me youy hate people as awesome as this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axJZzeYGb 60

Hes not talking about those DJ's he's talking about people who basically just play a song and mix/apply filters basically.

those guys blow. anyone notice the dj's playing shit in mall clothing stores these days?

[Phoog]

At 12/4/08 05:37 PM, the-aenigma wrote: Horseshit. Ever try playing a guitar?

I've been playing guitar for roughly a year.
I meant to do with cables, hardware, shit like that. As far as my guitaring goes, I've not came across any need of this stuff as I do with my producing and live sound.

[Envy]

At 12/4/08 05:37 PM, the-aenigma wrote:

At 12/4/08 05:30 PM, Ambimetric wrote:

At 12/4/08 05:29 PM, Hades0013 wrote: Seconded. Being a good DJ really requires a lot of effort and music knowledge.

As well as technical knowledge. More technical knowledge than your average joe guitar player guy.

Horseshit. Ever try playing a guitar?

Ever tried scratching vinyl?

[Nav]

I'm going to be DJing at 7. Get a radio link at this site. Ignore everything else on that site. I'll be on from 7-9... Just ad-libbing it, nothing planned. I'll have some fun, and show you that DJs aren't all like Tiesto. I'll do my best to play a variety of music.

But seriously, I can't argue with people who don't understand it.

[the-aenigma]

At 12/4/08 06:48 PM, Envy wrote:

At 12/4/08 05:37 PM, the-aenigma wrote:

At 12/4/08 05:30 PM, Ambimetric wrote:

At 12/4/08 05:29 PM, Hades0013 wrote: Seconded. Being a good DJ really requires a lot of effort and music knowledge.

As well as technical knowledge. More technical knowledge than your average joe guitar player guy.

Horseshit. Ever try playing a guitar?

Ever tried scratching vinyl?

I would rather scratch my nuts. If you do it long enough, you can have it down to an artform. Like many other things......

[Krank]

At 12/4/08 08:16 PM, the-aenigma wrote: I would rather scratch my nuts. If you do it long enough, you can have it down to an artform. Like many other things......

go listen to my song "nutscratch anthem". it uses alot of that nut scratching sound thats so popular among the youths these days

[KgZ]

DJs obviously did something right if they got popular

[Nav]

At 12/4/08 08:16 PM, the-aenigma wrote: I would rather scratch my nuts. If you do it long enough, you can have it down to an artform. Like many other things......

Ever tried considering the other musical options which exist in the world that aren't guitar, piano, vocals, or hiphop bullshit?

Newgrounds hasn't, in general. Open up yourself.

[the-aenigma]

At 12/4/08 08:27 PM, Nav wrote:

At 12/4/08 08:16 PM, the-aenigma wrote: I would rather scratch my nuts. If you do it long enough, you can have it down to an artform. Like many other things......

Ever tried considering the other musical options which exist in the world that aren't guitar, piano, vocals, or hiphop bullshit?

Newgrounds hasn't, in general. Open up yourself.

Oh, I have, much more than you may think.

I have exposed myself to music from all over the world. From Indonesian Hip-Hop(which is more colorful than American hip-hop) to Jaipong, New Wave to No Wave, Krautrock to Progressive Rock, Experimental to Noise, Acid House to Rave, Folk to Classical, Black Metal to Death Metal, you name it, chances are, I've either heard it or have it.

When you throw scratching vinyl into the equation, it seems like a waste of time compared to what else the world of music has to offer. Next.

[Nav]

At 12/4/08 08:44 PM, the-aenigma wrote: When you throw scratching vinyl into the equation, it seems like a waste of time compared to what else the world of music has to offer. Next.

DJing has nothing to do with scratching. The only DJs that scratch are scratch DJs, which are few and far between except in hiphop. DJing is about forming a cohesive story using music. Not about moving a record back and forth while it's playing. The people in this thread are looking at it too technically... While there is science involved, DJing is an art form, not a science.

[joshhunsaker]

At 12/4/08 05:12 PM, NickSandwich wrote: Well, I don't hate all DJ's, just a few of them.
Just the ones that make more money than the artists whose music they spin *cough* TIESTO *cough*.

Have you even seen Tiesto's studio?? He makes and mixes his own music actually. I'd do a little more research before stepping out there with a comment like that next time...

[joshhunsaker]

At 12/4/08 05:37 PM, the-aenigma wrote:

At 12/4/08 05:30 PM, Ambimetric wrote:

At 12/4/08 05:29 PM, Hades0013 wrote: Seconded. Being a good DJ really requires a lot of effort and music knowledge.

As well as technical knowledge. More technical knowledge than your average joe guitar player guy.

Horseshit. Ever try playing a guitar?

Ever tried DJ'ing at a popular club?

[the-aenigma]

At 12/4/08 09:34 PM, joshhunsaker wrote:

At 12/4/08 05:37 PM, the-aenigma wrote:

At 12/4/08 05:30 PM, Ambimetric wrote:

At 12/4/08 05:29 PM, Hades0013 wrote: Seconded. Being a good DJ really requires a lot of effort and music knowledge.

As well as technical knowledge. More technical knowledge than your average joe guitar player guy.

Horseshit. Ever try playing a guitar?

Ever tried DJ'ing at a popular club?

Actually, yes. I was a club DJ for almost a year and a half. This was about six years ago. And, no, I didn't scratch. Although I did enjoy it, and have many lurid stories to tell about club life, I really got burnt out on it. I can definetly tell you there is much more to DJing than playing music and having technical skills.