Need Anim. For Extensive Sh Project

[Animal-Delos]

I've been working on a new type of Silent Hill story, that I would like to see turned into a feature length flash animation, I'm looking for somebody who could animate in a way that would capture the essence of an SH series, gritty, realism(but still animeish, um, hard to explain, watch Merry Melony for an example or even Fallen Angel), also must be committed to the project.

I am willing to pay, quite handsomely, upon satisfaction of work of each part(each part will prolly run anywhere from 5 to 10 minutes long, and as I said, feature length, so in total will at least be an hour if not more, which is why must be able to be committed.), due to bad experiences of cash and dash in the past, I will not pay upfront, not just because I want to see good quality of work. This is sort of a collaborative project, but if I'm going to have to pay for it, I will retain creative rights and such(ie the ability to upload it to DA as a project I spearheaded, etc.).

I doubt I'll find somebody both willing, and able(as in able to produce the quality of animation necessary) even for a good price, but I might as well try.

[Alpharius120]

So in what kind of range do you think the cash is? Not for me, for potential candidates.

[ReNaeNae]

At 12/3/08 06:17 PM, Animal-Delos wrote: I am willing to pay, quite handsomely...

Yeah, define 'quite handsomely'!

This sounds like it will take a loong time, so... if someone is willing to do it, I will happily volunteer to be the middle [wo]man, I will hold said payment (in full, in cash) to ensure no one gets screwed. When the project is complete, I will pass it on to the animator. Or if they bail, I will return it to the OP. Win/Win/Win!! :D

'cuz I get to keep the interest as payments for my efforts! :D

[Animal-Delos]

I figure I'd start a base price of $100 an episode and pay on a sliding/grading scale based on quality of work, I'm all for paying bonuses if the work is good and satisfactory, but if the work is terrible and unsatisfactory, it's not something that should be paid for, you know?

I am also unsure of hourage, but each animator takes different amount of times for similar/same things, one animator can do something like Fallen Angel ep 1 in a matter of 5 hours, others could take 10 hours, and some it could take several weeks... which is why paying by the hour isn't good, because there's also no way to be proven how much time was put in on the project.

I mean, I wish I was an animator so I could do it myself, but I was only bit by the writing bug, and not the drawing bug, making it impossible for me to do anything artistic myself. Heck, I'm surprised there hasn't been some sort of Silent Hill collab, or even Resident Evil as far as I know... then again wait for RE5 to come out and there prolly will be. But this story is something I'm putting a lot of thought into, and it can be, heck will be, way better than the travesty of a movie. And with the good old fashion mind-messing of any Silent Hill game, but also with new twists and a new take on things to make things that original as well.

[Animal-Delos]

At 12/3/08 06:27 PM, ReNaeNae wrote:

At 12/3/08 06:17 PM, Animal-Delos wrote: I am willing to pay, quite handsomely...

Yeah, define 'quite handsomely'!

This sounds like it will take a loong time, so... if someone is willing to do it, I will happily volunteer to be the middle [wo]man, I will hold said payment (in full, in cash) to ensure no one gets screwed. When the project is complete, I will pass it on to the animator. Or if they bail, I will return it to the OP. Win/Win/Win!! :D

'cuz I get to keep the interest as payments for my efforts! :D

Payment for the entire project could well exceed $2,000 pending excellent work, however, I am not an idiot, I will pay portions upon completions of each episode, and the first would only come after at least half of the first episode was done in full, good, etc standing.

[Animal-Delos]

I also hope I am not breaking any rules or anything posting this in this forum, but NG really needs to make subforums for people looking for talents outside their own, like a forum for people solely looking to hire animators, a forum for people solely looking for writers, etc.

[Zuggz]

"Fallen Angel ep 1 in a matter of 5 hours, others could take 10 hours, and some it could take several weeks"

I'd like to meet the people that can do it in a matter of 5 hours or even 10 hours.
Maybe you should look at when the preview of Fallen Angel came out and when the episodes were released.

teaser: 09/13/2004
first episode: 10/24/2008

If you're looking for a 10min long episode for around $100,
you better not care too much about the quality of it cause you'll get quantity not quality.

You should probably pick up animating for a week or so yourself to get an understanding how time consuming a good project really is.

[NextToNothing]

At 12/3/08 06:32 PM, Animal-Delos wrote: I figure I'd start a base price of $100 an episode and pay on a sliding/grading scale based on quality of work, I'm all for paying bonuses if the work is good and satisfactory, but if the work is terrible and unsatisfactory, it's not something that should be paid for, you know?

Unfortunately that price for even your lowest quoted length(5 minutes) is INCREDIBLY low. Animation at a high quality takes a huge amount of time. Price per minute of animation ranges from 400-1000 dollars from a free lance animator (400 dollars being considered "low" quality something along the lines of fallen angel would probably fall under high quality. Adam Phillips is the easiest example of high quality free lance animation with his personal movies).
You can view those numbers indirectly by glancing over at elance.com or more directly
http://forums.awn.com/archive/index.php/
t-1081.html

Good luck in your pursuit just figured I'd inform you.

[Alpharius120]

At 12/3/08 06:27 PM, ReNaeNae wrote: This sounds like it will take a loong time, so... if someone is willing to do it, I will happily volunteer to be the middle [wo]man, I will hold said payment (in full, in cash) to ensure no one gets screwed. When the project is complete, I will pass it on to the animator. Or if they bail, I will return it to the OP. Win/Win/Win!! :D

'cuz I get to keep the interest as payments for my efforts! :D

Oh yeah, "return to OP". You know you wouldn't be able to resist the call of money. :P

[Animal-Delos]

True enough, but it's also not like I'm going to ask for an animator just to collaborate on the project for free, thing is I want the animator to WANT to do it too, if possible, not for it to just be a 'job', but for them to put their heart into it.

I guess it's not easy to find somebody for a reasonable price, and quite handsomely to some is a pittance to others, you know? To some people $100 is all the money in the world, especially if they're a 'starving artist', while to others $100 is a drop in a hat, a penny compared to their millions, so if some of those animators are millionaires who want $1000 for a minute worth of work, all the power to them that they can get that. I haven't won the lottery yet, so I'm not made of that kind of money.

It's unfortunate that I'm not able to draw/animate, I'd love to be able to do it myself, but like I said, I wasn't given that gift, and no matter what, I never will be, you're either born with the ability to draw or you aren't, and unless you believe in superstitions like selling your soul for something, and then it actually working, can't really go that route either.

Because believe me I'd give my left lung to be able to draw/animate like a lot of people, but it just isn't going to happen.

[Alpharius120]

At 12/3/08 07:17 PM, Animal-Delos wrote: It's unfortunate that I'm not able to draw/animate, I'd love to be able to do it myself, but like I said, I wasn't given that gift, and no matter what, I never will be, you're either born with the ability to draw or you aren't, and unless you believe in superstitions like selling your soul for something, and then it actually working, can't really go that route either.

Because believe me I'd give my left lung to be able to draw/animate like a lot of people, but it just isn't going to happen.

I sucked at drawing, but I've been doodling in school, practicing with my tablet and flash and just doing random stuff on flash and I've been getting better and better. Moral of the story is, If you practice you can get better at anything.

[Animal-Delos]

At 12/3/08 07:22 PM, Alpharius120 wrote:

I sucked at drawing, but I've been doodling in school, practicing with my tablet and flash and just doing random stuff on flash and I've been getting better and better. Moral of the story is, If you practice you can get better at anything.

Not true... I tried drawing and practiced for years and years, and couldn't make any progress at all, art is just something not everyone is cut out for... Sad to say but it's true. The best of artists could teach me and it prolly wouldn't help.

[Zuggz]

Well I and I'm sure the others are taking this as a business proposal at least thats the atmosphere I get from this thread.

To put this in perspective based on that, lets start with the final goal. You want an hour long animation split into episodes. Now at the same time I'm sure you want it to be at least good quality or else whats the point. An hour long flash for one animator to do could take about a year to do. This is assuming he's really committed to it, it would have to be like a full time job. (I have seen really good animators take a whole day to do a few seconds worth of animation because there can be that much detail needed.

But for argument sake lets say it'll take a year to do an hour of quality work full time. Now if you pay $2000 for the full job than the wage per hour becomes: about 96cents per hour.
And if this poor animator is not a mortal and does the hour of work in 3 months lets say (probably never slept) than the wage becomes just under $4 for godlike effort from him.

Now if you're trying to go for a partnership with an animator then its really a different story and will take probably a really long time to complete. But it shouldn't cost you much because you both are doing it for the fun of it. However that means you have to be lucky enough to find someone that sees it all eye to eye with you since you no long are the "boss".

Just some things to think over.

PS: being born with the talent to draw or not doesn't stop anyone from making good animations or drawings, thats just practice. Its making truly great pieces of work that sometimes it takes the genes to help them with. (or else art class is a scam) It might be harder for some than others but never impossible.

[uyersuyer]

$100 is way too little money if you're expecting quality work. You make it sound like you're paying top-dollar and want top-quality animation to match, but even a "starving artist" would want more than $100... you'd probably make more money than that from the NG ad API if it was a good enough movie.

[ReNaeNae]

At 12/3/08 07:12 PM, Alpharius120 wrote: Oh yeah, "return to OP". You know you wouldn't be able to resist the call of money. :P

Of course I would. I'm an honest and trustworthy person.

Ask any of the people I've swindled in the past! ;P

[Snubby]

At 12/3/08 06:34 PM, Animal-Delos wrote:

Payment for the entire project could well exceed $2,000 pending excellent work

Yeah, and excellent work on a whole movie is going to well exceed that.

[Animal-Delos]

Alright, I didn't realize the extensiveness of things, just close this thread and I'll later look for someone willing to/wanting to work together on a project then...

[LostVoices]

well i cant animate myself but my latest submission i drew and animated in 10 mins its just a dirty old stick with a 3 frame walk cycle and it goes for abut 2 mins and at the moment its sitting at a score of 3.35/5.00 and i didnt submit it for about a month cos i expected it to get blamed but i thought someone might find it funny and BAM alot of people did

so you never know mate you dont have to be awesome at animation to get a flash liked on her