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At 12/5/08 02:14 PM, poxpower wrote:
Good luck with that, there's way to track high-tech equipment that is a lot harder to deal with than just filing a serial down with a grinder. Most likely you'd damage the part trying to do so.

Plus, imagine what you'd ACTUALLY need to make a robot yourself. The list of parts would be traced right back to you in 5 minutes.

It's really not that high tech of a concept. I'm not talking automatons, here, just really complicated remote controlled devices, just like the kind you can buy at Radio Shack.

If you can buy a fucking Roomba for a couple hundred, you can get parts for a bot without popping up on the crystal meth watchlist.

Not to mention you'd need to be a genius and part of a pretty small list of people who could do that.

On Battle Bots they had little girls building some pretty effective bots. The list is not short.

Yeah no one's gonna see THAT coming. Not to mention it would take the motricity of Christopher Reeves to take cover from your slow-moving crapbot.

Fine. Use a go-cart engine. Whatever. Don't make me start posting awesome robot jewtube videos. This can happen in your life.

Yeah that's something terrorists can do today.

And they pretty much do. If they weren't obsessed with dying in the attack, they'd probably be more effective.

Are you making a bomb or a robot?
Because if you're making a bomb, why do you need a robot attached to it? Plant your bomb and get the hell out. There's a trillion ways: put it in a car, a bag, a trash can, a toilet, a retard who thinks he's going to heaven etc.

Ok, so we have a surplus of retards willing to carry bombs, and they're cheaper than robots (stupidity is free and all that jazz). Granted. But they don't work well in tandem.

Why can't a I put a self-destruct button on my bot? IT'S AN EVIL KILL-BOT!!! THE PERSON MAKING IT, THEREFORE, IS A MAD SCIENTIST. KILLBOT+MAD SCIENTIST=SELF DESTRUCT BUTTON!!!

I mean, the whole point of kill-bots is they're totally kamikazee and expendable.

Why do you insist on pissing on my robot apocalypse? The evilest government in the world already HAS kill bots (ie, the US). Remember ICBMs? Self propelled, self guided, blow-up-on-arrival bots, when you get right down to it. Just because they didn't have cool r2d2 heads doesn't mean they weren't bots.

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At 12/1/08 05:15 AM, homor wrote: here on the politics forum, we have disscussed much about our modern day problems, but what about
the problems are children may face? or the problems of our children's children?

science ficton has catalouged the struggles and problems of future man, and he has alot of them, from alien attacks to robot issues.

i have made this topic to focus on the latter, rather than the former.

a few weeks ago i had a disscussion with my father, it started with one simple question, a question that lad to a long debate about robot politics, that question was:

"would you put your brain in a robot body?"

Yes, provided I could live for a long time.

the idea of half robot half humans may seem odd, even crazy to some of you, but medical science has already made robot limps, and machienes that aid human body functions.

this kind of technology has existed even since the 50's. with the invention of the iron lung.

in the future, we may be able to forsake our old, aging bodies for robotic alternetives, so the question is: if you had a chance to leave your old human body in favour of a new robotic body, would you do it?

we also disscussed the brain inside the robotic body, such as keeping it alive through fluids, then came another question:

could you add robotic parts to a damaged brain? how much of your brain would have to go and you would still count as human? could even having one human part make you count as a human? and then whats to stop robotics from adding human parts to themselfs and becoming human?

We would have to have greatly improved surgical procedures, humanity would probably be decided by whether or not you started out as a human or a robot.

this also makes me think:

will we be able to give robots human thought, knowlage, and emotion?

Maybe, we'll have to see what happens.

asuming we do, this opens the way for more thoughts?

is that ethical? does it go against natural order? what would religous people think about it?

Why not, who cares, screw 'em.

and another thing: what would robots think about religion? would they start their own? would they be offended by ours? would they technicly have souls?

Interesting question, maybe, probably not, no.

also, how will robots be used in war?

as super soldiers.

robots are already being used by the israele military to help in their battles, but they're far from the science fiction dream.

could you have a robot war buddy? would you treat him like any other war buddy?

If he acted like a human, yes.

speaking of robots and wars:

what if theres a war between robots and humans? how will cyborgs fair? in my mind, they could be on ethier side.

We would be screwed, they would die as easily as humans if you hit them in the right place, they would probably fight for humans because that is what they started out as.

would we program a fail safe? would the robots protest to have it shut down? would we listen to thier cries for freedom? and would they abuse it?

It depends on how intelligent the robots are, it depends on how emotional they are, they would probably have the same freedoms as us we would just make sure they did not malfunction, maybe.

and what of robot rights?

in the very first episode of Astro-Boy, a robot bill of rights is created, and robots hav full human thought and emotion.

would there be a robot bill of rights? how would we treat robots?

Probably not, like we treat pets more than likely.

would we use them as slaves? or would they gladly do the jobs we humans won't?

Most likely, if we programmed them right.

would there be racism against robots? or segregation?

No they would be tools, no we would want them as close as possible to do our jobs for us.

in many sci-fi stories, robotic racism is used as a metaphor for real racism, how ironic would it be if it actually became reality?

also robot sex, would we tease cyborgs about? we are getting close to it, one japenese scientist built a robotic girlfriend, and then theres those real dolls.

would we be able to have sex with robots? would we be able to have children with them? would those children count as cyborgs?

We already can, if they had the necessary organs yes, only if they were given robotic parts.

this subject causes the mind to wander, i want to know what you think, and i want to hear your ansewers to these questions, maybe you can come up with your own ideas about what will happen with robots.

and if you are a real robot and you offended by this topic, domo arigoto, mr. roboto. thank you very much.

To avoid confusion, my answers to each question are separated by commas.

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At 12/7/08 01:50 PM, FUNKbrs wrote:

I'm not talking automatons, here, just really complicated remote controlled devices, just like the kind you can buy at Radio Shack.

I don't really think it's what this thread was about... :o

On Battle Bots they had little girls building some pretty effective bots. The list is not short.

Yeah I'm sure the little girls engineered the whole thing. Everyone else made a potatoe lamp and a vinegar volcano and they were off winning against retired mechanics and getting interviewed by Carmen Electra...
who is hot... yes.. quite

Fine. Use a go-cart engine.

Why not just buy a used car and automate it like they did on Mythbusters at that point? Put a camera in the front and you can run people over all day long weee

Ok, so we have a surplus of retards willing to carry bombs

I dunno, if I wanted to blow something up, I wouldn't risk my bomb being intercepted by some dog before it reaches whatever I want to blow up.
Sounds like something you'd see in an 80's movie about kids using the local nerd to build crappy machines to retrieve baseballs from the mean guy's yard and steal candy from the lower shelves of convenience stores...

Why do you insist on pissing on my robot apocalypse?

I don't, I'm just saying that you want to do the job with lame battlebots-style robots where I want to see Terminators doing it. Now there's a classy robot. And he talks. How cool is that? He can kill your enemies and insult them at the same time.

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At 12/7/08 01:50 PM, FUNKbrs wrote:

At 12/5/08 02:14 PM, poxpower wrote: Plus, imagine what you'd ACTUALLY need to make a robot yourself. The list of parts would be traced right back to you in 5 minutes.

It's really not that high tech of a concept.

quote from the same post.. "THE PERSON MAKING IT, THEREFORE, IS A MAD SCIENTIST."

Mwhaahahaa! "MAD SCIENTIST" in CAPS!!1 ..."MAD" being a synonym for crazed genius. LoL &-)

Not to mention you'd need to be a genius and part of a pretty small list of people who could do that.

If you can buy a fucking Roomba for a couple hundred, you can get parts for a bot without popping up on the crystal meth watchlist..... The list is not short.

Sure.. the list is not that short. Infact the "troubled techno-dweeb" list is about as long as lists come, simply because everything they do is digitally logged. But it also wouldn't take a fellow techno-wiz working for "the man" about 60ms to shortlist the culprit on his or her bluegenie connected lapdog.

Let's face it, anything more complicated than a remote controlled toy needs coding, and anything coded is like reading the autobiography of teh hacker.

Heck. Just posting on a topic like this puts me ALOT higher on the "teh list" :-P

Oh yeah, and i think this topic is futher evidence why Japan is not yet selling CareBots%u2122 to the worlds most eager haxxorz.

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At 12/7/08 07:41 PM, poxpower wrote: I don't really think it's what this thread was about... :o

But... automaton kill bots.. that means I can't play with them as much. It would be like having a playstation that beats it's own games. Impressive, yes, but fun? Not so much.

Yeah I'm sure the little girls engineered the whole thing. Everyone else made a potatoe lamp and a vinegar volcano and they were off winning against retired mechanics and getting interviewed by Carmen Electra...

Well, they drove it, anyways. :P

who is hot... yes.. quite

New topic. General. Longest thread ever: "Post hot pics of carmen electra." 4chan'll be staeling it in no time.

Why not just buy a used car and automate it like they did on Mythbusters at that point? Put a camera in the front and you can run people over all day long weee

See? they even built the chassis for a kill bot on Myth Busters. Then there's that Darpa race that uses automatons... BTW, I saw some youtube videos for some pretty cheap autotracking turrets.... I think you get my point.

I dunno, if I wanted to blow something up, I wouldn't risk my bomb being intercepted by some dog before it reaches whatever I want to blow up.

So you'd put it in a heavily armed kill-bot to ensure it got to it's destination!? AWESOME!!!

Sounds like something you'd see in an 80's movie about kids using the local nerd to build crappy machines to retrieve baseballs from the mean guy's yard and steal candy from the lower shelves of convenience stores...

Damnit. I wish I could remember that movie's name....

I don't, I'm just saying that you want to do the job with lame battlebots-style robots where I want to see Terminators doing it. Now there's a classy robot. And he talks. How cool is that? He can kill your enemies and insult them at the same time.

"hasta la vista, baby".

See? even the Governator supports us making kill bots. We could send them to mexico, and they could stand out on the street selling oranges and offering to do manual labor for cheap. Then we could have them ship the money back to the states!

At 12/8/08 07:58 AM, JudgeDredd wrote: quote from the same post.. "THE PERSON MAKING IT, THEREFORE, IS A MAD SCIENTIST."

Mwhaahahaa! "MAD SCIENTIST" in CAPS!!1 ..."MAD" being a synonym for crazed genius. LoL &-)

But... mad also in the "LOL I'M CRAZY FOR KILLBOTS!!" kind of way. US vernacular=mad=angry. Yeah, I know, I know. Stupid yanks...

Sure.. the list is not that short. Infact the "troubled techno-dweeb" list is about as long as lists come, simply because everything they do is digitally logged. But it also wouldn't take a fellow techno-wiz working for "the man" about 60ms to shortlist the culprit on his or her bluegenie connected lapdog.

Ach, the Unabomber got away with it for a LOOOOOONG time, and if a hairy dude living in a shack in the middle of nowhere isn't "Captain Watchlist" then who is? I know WAAAY too many people with outstanding warrants to think being on the watchlist is that big of a problem. The cops aren't bothering to arrest KNOWN MURDERERS, so the idea of "THEM" coming for Joe Nerd with a homemade robot of unknown capabilities is a little absurd.

Let's face it, anything more complicated than a remote controlled toy needs coding, and anything coded is like reading the autobiography of teh hacker.

Hmmm... explain? I'm uneducated on this.

Heck. Just posting on a topic like this puts me ALOT higher on the "teh list" :-P

dun Dun DUNN!!!!!

Oh yeah, and i think this topic is futher evidence why Japan is not yet selling CareBots%u2122 to the worlds most eager haxxorz.

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You can't trust the internet hate machine... >:(

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At 12/8/08 11:16 AM, FUNKbrs wrote:

So you'd put it in a heavily armed kill-bot to ensure it got to it's destination!? AWESOME!!!

I'd rather go for a toy plane.
How the hell do you hide a heavily-armored vehicle? Anything that's not armored enough will just be toppled over by a kid on a skateboard and anything that is too armored will just slowly move through the streets as everyone looks in amazement from the exact second you put it on the road.

See? even the Governator supports us making kill bots.

When that little japanese robot manages to do something more than walk down the stairs and shake people's hands, then I might start dreaming...

No, what I really am going for is cybernetic implants. Maybe I can put a gun in my leg like Robocop and shoot people then run away really fast like Steve Austin. Then create an army of replicating robots who will take over the universe.

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At 12/7/08 11:57 PM, Grammer wrote: But I dun wanna rust

i like my body.

i LOVE my body.

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At 12/8/08 02:09 PM, poxpower wrote:

At 12/8/08 11:16 AM, FUNKbrs wrote:

So you'd put it in a heavily armed kill-bot to ensure it got to it's destination!? AWESOME!!!

I'd rather go for a toy plane.

Hmm.. where have i heard that recently...?

At 12/8/08 07:58 AM, JudgeDredd wrote:

But... mad also in the "LOL I'M CRAZY FOR KILLBOTS!!" kind of way. US vernacular=mad=angry. Yeah, I know, I know. Stupid yanks...

What can i say? Kill Bots and Deadly Aliens are certainly tied to the American psyche. It's therefore not surprising fighting robots is the main focus for such enthusiasts.. it makes for better television.

Ach, the Unabomber got away with it for a LOOOOOONG time, and if a hairy dude living in a shack in the middle of nowhere isn't "Captain Watchlist"..

And was he tracked down because of the wires he used? I think we're talking something just a tad more 21st century, yanno.. with a chip in it.

Let's face it, anything more complicated than a remote controlled toy needs coding, and anything coded is like reading the autobiography of teh hacker.

Hmmm... explain? I'm uneducated on this.

Well, task oriented technology off-the-shelf is not going to be seek & destroy, unless it's ex-military, and that stuff is not sold thru ebay. We're talking perhaps a million lines of code minimum. Even if you patchwork a bunch of scripts from a pirated version of Mech Warrior 5, it's still gonna leave ALOT of work to do. Anyone THAT good is definately gonna be all LOL on the net about how awesome they are and generally bragging about it.

Heck. Just posting on a topic like this puts me ALOT higher on the "teh list" :-P

dun Dun DUNN!!!!!

DOH!

Oh yeah, and i think this topic is futher evidence why Japan is not yet selling CareBots%u2122 to the worlds most eager haxxorz.

You can't trust the internet hate machine... >:(

Internet hasn't come very far in the AI department. Seek and destory on the internet..? Well now, there's another topic altogether.

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At 12/8/08 02:40 PM, JudgeDredd wrote:
Hmm.. where have i heard that recently...?

Doesn't the US army already pretty much do this? I could have SWORN we had robo-planes for reconnaisance with some sort of bomb/RPG on them...

What can i say? Kill Bots and Deadly Aliens are certainly tied to the American psyche. It's therefore not surprising fighting robots is the main focus for such enthusiasts.. it makes for better television.

Mea Culpa. I love killbots. I read the MechWarrior series of books. I watched Battlebots. Maybe its in my DNA?
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And was he tracked down because of the wires he used? I think we're talking something just a tad more 21st century, yanno.. with a chip in it.

But I thought chips were pretty blankly common. There's so many... it would be like writing a demand letter in Arial font on an inkjet printer, sure, they know the basics, but the basics are so common they don't mean much.

Well, task oriented technology off-the-shelf is not going to be seek & destroy, unless it's ex-military, and that stuff is not sold thru ebay. We're talking perhaps a million lines of code minimum. Even if you patchwork a bunch of scripts from a pirated version of Mech Warrior 5, it's still gonna leave ALOT of work to do. Anyone THAT good is definately gonna be all LOL on the net about how awesome they are and generally bragging about it.

You'd think he'd think ahead, generically release it so EVERYONE has it all of a sudden, then when he attacks, he could claim to have skript kiddied it? I know I would. You can't really brag on teh nets without delivering some functionality, after all.

Internet hasn't come very far in the AI department. Seek and destory on the internet..? Well now, there's another topic altogether.

And a damn good one, I might add. 4 Chan Raid bots? Isn't that basically why I have to do all that scribble translation on Myspace now?