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At 12/9/08 06:03 PM, marchohare wrote: I don't believe I've weighed in on this thread. I'm uninterested in the debate. I couldn't care less what a bunch of hand-wringing little old ladies think (even if they're riding around in the bodies of 18-year-old males).

But, for the record, I do believe in gun control: when a gun is in your hand, control it. Never bluff, but do not fire until you have determined to the best of your ability that it is in self-defense, or in defense of the innocent. Aim steadily, and pull the trigger calmly. Put the bullet exactly where you want it to go. Aim for the easiest target: your assailant's upper body. Shoot to kill.

Other than that, I am opposed to gun control. Guns should be controlled by law-abiding citizens, not by criminals... you know, criminals... like the ones who hold government office.

The're you go. That's it exactly.
I'm 100% opposed to gun control other than what's allready on the books (and even a few of those also). The day we lose the 2nd ammendment is the day America's flag changes from red white and blue to solid red. All anti gun fuck heads spout the same BS about gun crimes over and over. They don't care about the safety of the public, just their own personal agendas (same with a couple other groups also).

At 12/27/08 07:50 PM, wildfire4461 wrote: The're you go. That's it exactly.
I'm 100% opposed to gun control other than what's allready on the books (and even a few of those also). The day we lose the 2nd ammendment is the day America's flag changes from red white and blue to solid red.

A bit dramatic, but I do not completely disagree.

All anti gun fuck heads spout the same BS about gun crimes over and over. They don't care about the safety of the public, just their own personal agendas (same with a couple other groups also).

I hope you don't actually believe this. If so I may need to rethink my opinions of gun control. I am somewhat against it, but I have never met someone who was pro-gun control only due to their own agenda, unless that agenda was with the goal of controlling gun crime.

They are not trying to take away your guns to turn the world into a Fascist country or Communist country, they are trying to make the public safer. If taking away guns or putting a limit on who can buy them and when is unreasonable and illogical, explain how. Educate them. Don't go throughout life with the idea that they are doing it out of purely selfish reasons.

In my opinion, only people who know how to properly use a gun should be allowed to own one.
There should be some type of test , much like driving tests, which asks people when it is appropriate to pull out their weapon and makes clear all of the laws, and yearly training courses should be offered at shooting ranges for reduced or no price over the span of about 2 months to draw in people who wouldn't normally care to operate their gun, this way people at least get use out of the weapon and won't choke in a situation where it's needed.

Also, I agree with many previous posters in that there should be psychological tests and thorough background checks for gun owners.

If we used all of these things together, then criminals would definitely think twice about mugging some poor fellow, or trying to hold up the local gas station.

At 12/27/08 08:18 PM, Tancrisism wrote:

At 12/27/08 07:50 PM, wildfire4461 wrote: The're you go. That's it exactly.
I'm 100% opposed to gun control other than what's allready on the books (and even a few of those also). The day we lose the 2nd ammendment is the day America's flag changes from red white and blue to solid red.

A bit dramatic, but I do not completely disagree.

All anti gun fuck heads spout the same BS about gun crimes over and over. They don't care about the safety of the public, just their own personal agendas (same with a couple other groups also).

I hope you don't actually believe this. If so I may need to rethink my opinions of gun control. I am somewhat against it, but I have never met someone who was pro-gun control only due to their own agenda, unless that agenda was with the goal of controlling gun crime.

They are not trying to take away your guns to turn the world into a Fascist country or Communist country, they are trying to make the public safer. If taking away guns or putting a limit on who can buy them and when is unreasonable and illogical, explain how. Educate them. Don't go throughout life with the idea that they are doing it out of purely selfish reasons.

Who says?
They wouldn't admit it if it was. And there's allready limits on who can buy them which are good enough. And regardless of what they say. No guns = more crime. It may seem like in countries where the're banned have low crime, but that's because they aren't reported in the news. I think the UK has that restriction on the media (where we don't, which makes it seem like we have more).

Besides. If all of this NWO crap is true then that is the reason.

At 11/30/08 05:56 PM, jedi-master wrote: What's your stance on gun-control? DO you believe we should put more restrictions and regulations on gun-ownership?

That's strange, I thought we should be checking the guns that are in the wrong hands than the ones in the right hands. That's kind've like paying attention on the people with a driving licence but that guy over there who's been banned for driving for 12 months is perfectly fine.

I still can't get a grip on why people think that making firearms illegal will stop any sort of crime. It's already illegal for most people who use a gun to commit a crime to own one and yet somehow they do. They allready choose to ignore the laws set up tp obtain or carry a gun, why would taking away the rights of people like me who obey the law make a criminal change his habbits? gun control is stupid. That's all there is to it. I agree with a waiting period (nobody who needs a gun in the next ten minutes has good intentions), I agree with a background check, and I agree with requiring a permit to carry, I'll even agree to holding an irresponsible adult accountable for a child who gets a hold of an unsecured gun, but I see no reason for junk laws that only affect law abiding people.

I'd have to say that since I last posted in this thread, my views on gun control have changed.

1) I still support a mandatory child-protection lock on all guns sold, meaning that it requires entering a combination to use the gun

2) I still support a law which gives convicted felons 10+ years for possessing a gun because this has been shown to be effective in states with high gang populations such as California

3) I now oppose the Federal Assault Weapons Ban because it has had little to no effect on gun crime, but I still support a ban on unnecessary weapons such as sawed-off shotguns, which is according to a Supreme Court ruling

4) I still support the requirement for registering for a gun, and background checks on people buying guns, but I agree that the cost for a gun license in some states is too high

Gun control doesn't work. Anyone who thinks otherwise probably has not done any research on the subject.

When I say gun control I mean anything beyond a bit less than what the current laws are in the US. Fully automatic weapons are not good target weapons, and are not sporting, and while people my disagree with me I believe that a good sized pistol (>9mm) or shotgun would do just fine against anything short of an invasion for home defense. Restrictions against felons is fine, they had their chance, and repeat offenders are common. The assault weapons ban (assault =/= automatic) was pretty worthless. Restrictions at colleges are probably legitimate, even though it's a major pain in the ass for me. Restrictions at lower schools are fine too, most of the kids there aren't even old enough to posses firearms yet anyway, and I think it's alright to pick your kid up as long as you don't stay there/park with a firearm in the car (though the police would probably shit bricks anyway).

I'm talking about federal restrictions of course, there are plenty of ridiculous restrictions in certain states, but based on what I've said you can probably figure out what I would agree with.

gun control is a joke
You can go out and buy any gun you want IF you know who to talk to.
After the assault rifle ban lapsed I was able to LEGALLY get an AR_15
this only cost me $50 for the gun and $50 for 10 clips
There needs to be better control of guns cuz the army is "loosing" guns all the time

I think you understand how I got mine

most robberies are performed using illegal guns (as most of you have said) BUT if we cracked down on these lost guns then you will almost stop this problem

some guns should be made easier to get for shop owners so they can guard their stores better
If you went into a gas station to rob it and the cashier pules a shotgun, you are more likely to run than shoot cuz if you miss then he has time to shoot back and it's hard to miss with a shotgun.

some of the guns come from overseas and 1 way to stop this is to simply scan all the containers on a ship once their unloaded with an X-ray like in the airports. it takes 10 sec per container with one of the new systemes.
this probably won't stop the illegal guns but it will massively help cuz...

the problem is NOT the gun shops It's the illegal guns that are sold in a back alley, or found threw the army.

After the assault rifle ban lapsed I was able to LEGALLY get an AR_15
this only cost me $50 for the gun and $50 for 10 clips

!!!!!!!!!!
$50!?!?

I have a gun and I like it.
Never know when I will really need to use it other then hunting with the old man, but its something to be reckoned with.
Nice 30.30...

Only pussies use guns, real people dont need to hide behind a weapon.

At 1/29/09 07:28 AM, Achilles2 wrote: I'd have to say that since I last posted in this thread, my views on gun control have changed.

1) I still support a mandatory child-protection lock on all guns sold, meaning that it requires entering a combination to use the gun

I'm against making them mandatory, because they are only suitable in certain scenarios. A trigger lock is incompatible with a loaded firearm, which are the types kept for home defense.

Selling them with guns makes sense, making them mandatory doesn't.

2) I still support a law which gives convicted felons 10+ years for possessing a gun because this has been shown to be effective in states with high gang populations such as California

Repeat offenders are given stiffer penalties for having any weapons, especially firearms, already. California even has a three strikes policy for violent offfenders, locking in a life sentence for turn 3 in the pen.

Gotta be reasonable though, a gun kept in a clean home safely stored should be a right for all Americans. Felons should be granted the privilege, under the close and wary eye of the ATF. Or not, they're felons after all.

3) I now oppose the Federal Assault Weapons Ban because it has had little to no effect on gun crime, but I still support a ban on unnecessary weapons such as sawed-off shotguns, which is according to a Supreme Court ruling

Thumbs up.

4) I still support the requirement for registering for a gun, and background checks on people buying guns, but I agree that the cost for a gun license in some states is too high

Background checks already occur, but a registry... I don't like the concept of having a list of every gun owner who is willing to register. It follows than progressive restrictions and bans are always entertained under the guise of public safety. Registration is an honest attempt to solve some sort of percieved problem, but the numbers don't add up.

Gun-control upon a nation really depends on what country you belong and what area you live. For instance, I live in Vancouver, Canada and I've never seen anyone carrying a gun outside in public except police officers. Nor have I seen a bank heist being pulled right in front of my eyes too. Maybe it's because I live in a very safe and quiet neighbourhood where the crime rate doesn't seem to have increased over the past 13 years. But of course, I'm only speaking on behalf of myself and that my opinion doesn't reflect on anyone else's...
I think that it's best (in the big picture) that we increase stricter laws for gun-control and prohibit citizens from carrying firearms at home or out in public. It generally doesn't reduce the crime rate at all and someone will definitely get hurt if crimes occur anyways...However, by increasing stricter gun-control laws, I meant that overseas and illegal trades done "under the table". Perhaps on another note, guns production should be limited from now on WORLDWIDE...of course, that does sound retarded doesn't it??

Let's just hope for peace in the world guys and girls.

If America were to ban guns like here in the UK. Your gangs would become much more richer selling guns on to the street creating a larger gang problem. Criminals can still get hold of guns because gangs would be distrabuting them. Just a thought.

At 2/1/09 06:16 PM, PubicTears wrote: If America were to ban guns like here in the UK. Your gangs would become much more richer selling guns on to the street creating a larger gang problem. Criminals can still get hold of guns because gangs would be distrabuting them. Just a thought.

Is it me, or does this sound like what happened during Prohibition?