Double standards...

[frigi]

We all know there is double standards.

Black Pride=ok
Hispanic Pride=ok
Asian Pride=ok
White Pride=WRONG
gay pride=ok/wrong
thinking gay pride is wrong=wrong
straight pride=weird

People get so upset over double standards, I don't see why.

Like being proud of your race...what is up with that? Why should I be proud because my skin pigmentation is ether high or low?

But about double standards, I know that life isn't fair. I find that not giving a shit about many things leads a relatively stress less life.

[Light]

At 11/29/08 11:31 PM, frigi wrote: We all know there is double standards.

Yes, of course.

Black Pride=ok
Hispanic Pride=ok
Asian Pride=ok
White Pride=WRONG
gay pride=ok/wrong

That one is kind of iffy.

thinking gay pride is wrong=wrong

It really depends on where you live. For example, in the bible belt of the southern U.S., that's the common thought on gay pride, but in the more liberal states, it's the other way around.

straight pride=weird

It's highly unusual...

People get so upset over double standards, I don't see why.

I don't either, it's very illogical to even have most double-standards really.

Like being proud of your race...what is up with that? Why should I be proud because my skin pigmentation is ether high or low?

There's always the thought that an ethnic group that you belong to has suffered through pain and such, like the blacks and slavery/segregation and you feel proud that your group has overcome these difficulties, an ethnic group that you belong to.

But about double standards, I know that life isn't fair. I find that not giving a shit about many things leads a relatively stress less life.

Seems to make sense I suppose in certain circumstances...

[Emonquente]

Basically same deal as the racism thread, everyone knows, get used to it.

[Cornbucket]

The phrase "double standard" is stupid anyway. It assumes that all people occupy identical positions in this little game we call 'Life'. But they don't... so our "standards" should be different for EVERYONE.

You would get angry over a rich person stealing food, but not necessarily a poor starving person stealing food. Why would you call this a double standard when they aren't even on the same parts of the playing field? Why do people complain about the double standard between men and women? They each have different kinds of bodies and customarily they play much different roles in society.

What sense does it even make to judge everyone by the same standard when not everyone comes from the same place, or has had the same opportunities, or has the same strengths and weaknesses as everyone else?

Why should there even BE one standard?

[D2Kvirus]

The one that gets me is the Black Police Association, for two reasons:
1.) Can anyone envision a White Police Association?
2.) They also consider Indian & Pakistani officers to be black enough to fall under their umbrella (as opposed to forming an Asian Police Association, which I presume would mean having to synchronise calendars so their meeting dates don't clash or something).

Yes, we're all aware that the police have a long history of targetting the black community in their investigations, and that black officers are looked down upon...so much so that they make positions like Senior Inspector. When you have one senior black officer saying there is no glass ceiling in the police force, then doing a 180 five years laterdespite there being more ethnic senior officers than any point in British history, it gets retarded.

See also: the Campaign for Ethnic Equality, who complain about there not enough black and/or Asian characters in EastEnders - which has one family each or Neighbours (a show set in the suburbs of Melbourne, Australia!!!), but seem to be quiet when shows like Brookside or Hollyoaks have a much higher percentage than the national or regional averages.

The thing with all -isms is they're one-way. You need to watch Loose Women too see the blatance and hypocrisy of this.

[His-Penis-is-on-Fire]

It's because straight people and whites haven't been discriminated against.

Simple as that.

[D2Kvirus]

At 11/30/08 04:36 PM, His-Penis-is-on-Fire wrote: It's because straight people and whites haven't been discriminated against.

A decade ago BBC2 ran a late-night strand for The Black Community that featured plenty of racist comments about whites. Did they get yanked off the air? Of course not.

[SolInvictus]

At 11/29/08 11:31 PM, frigi wrote: Like being proud of your race...what is up with that? Why should I be proud because my skin pigmentation is ether high or low?

maybe its because race generally encompasses more than just skin pigmentation?

[Achilles2]

This argument is based on ignorance of a simple factor: History.

Historically, "white pride" has come to symbolize white supremacy. Meanwhile, "[non-white race] pride" has come to symbolize overcoming impossible odds in order to succeed in life. Of course, the latter is not self-destructive and destructive to society while the former is.

The simple solution (since this isn't an important issue anyway) is to not say "white/black/Asian/Hispanic/etc. pride" at all, but to just say "I'm proud of myself". Racial pride is pure stupidity anyway.

Whites have their Caesars and their Buchanans. Blacks have their DuBois and Soulja Boys. The list goes on; there's always someone good and someone bad regardless of race, so being proud of a race is being proud of everyone of that race which is being proud of your own stupidity.

[D2Kvirus]

An intyeresting example has just come up: Sol Campbell played the race card against Tottenham supporters during a game a few months ago, and there was widespread coverage of the incident with police involvment. At the end of it, the findings had to be shown to act, and it became apparent the chants weren't racist at all - homophobic, yes, but as Sol Campbell isn't gay he had no leg to stand on. Yet Tottenham have to act anyway, due to a black man not being racially abused.

[Memorize]

At 12/3/08 06:52 PM, SolInvictus wrote:

At 11/29/08 11:31 PM, frigi wrote: Like being proud of your race...what is up with that? Why should I be proud because my skin pigmentation is ether high or low?

maybe its because race generally encompasses more than just skin pigmentation?

You don't see Indians having their own National Month for people to remember like you do with other races.

You also don't see Indians going out of their way suing over Columbus Day (who accidently found the Americas by arguing that the earth was pair shaped and then took a wrong turn, and then proceeded to kill the native people and feed them to dogs...), but... you will find some black person stating that "their month" shouldn't be in February because it has the "least amount of days", even though February was picked by another black guy to coincide with Lincoln's birthday.

[His-Penis-is-on-Fire]

At 12/3/08 11:17 AM, D2Kvirus wrote:

At 11/30/08 04:36 PM, His-Penis-is-on-Fire wrote: It's because straight people and whites haven't been discriminated against.

A decade ago BBC2 ran a late-night strand for The Black Community that featured plenty of racist comments about whites. Did they get yanked off the air? Of course not.

Okay, so whites got some racist jokes directed at them.

Black people got enslaved.

I don't fucking think those two even out.

[Memorize]

At 12/10/08 03:33 PM, His-Penis-is-on-Fire wrote:

Okay, so whites got some racist jokes directed at them.

Black people got enslaved.

I don't fucking think those two even out.

And as stated above... my ancestors (indians) used to own this land which was directly taken away by the "white devil" in sometimes, a slaughterfest...

But even I recognize that my "indian" ancestors were killing each other for various reasons (including land) LONG before Mr. White showed up.

I also realize that the people living today didn't have anything to do with what happened way back then.

I also realize that black people were (guess what!) sold into slavery by... you guessed it, their own fellow black people in Africa!

[MultiCanimefan]

At 12/10/08 12:53 PM, Memorize wrote:

At 12/3/08 06:52 PM, SolInvictus wrote:

At 11/29/08 11:31 PM, frigi wrote:

You also don't see Indians going out of their way suing over Columbus Day

old case. New case. They weren't suing, but it's obvious we still have some pissed off Native Americans.

[InsertFunnyUserName]

At 12/10/08 03:33 PM, His-Penis-is-on-Fire wrote: Okay, so whites got some racist jokes directed at them.

Black people got enslaved.

I don't fucking think those two even out.

Memorize is right.

We are not our ancestors. That fact that your grandfather had to sit in the back of the bus because he was black does not mean that you should get special privileges.

Babying the minority communities only further perpetuates the racial feuds between them and the majority. By singling them out and putting them on the spotlight, you're making a spectacle of them, which inflates racism even further.

[Battl3Mast3r]

People are much more likely to approve certain prides if the corresponding groups were disadvantaged in some ways during the past. It is out of complete sympathy and sometimes pity for certain groups, a pat on the head, if you will. It is America's way of saying sorry, while feeling sorry for the group--although most people just feel sorry for them. Most people don't feel sorry for a White man, so thus they don't really give them the fair provisions and lending of pride that they would give to a historically less privileged group--thus White men are bashed for their pride and seen as racist, henceforth.

I completely understand your frustration.

[CBP]

At 11/29/08 11:31 PM, frigi wrote: We all know there is double standards.

Black Pride=ok
Hispanic Pride=ok
Asian Pride=ok
White Pride=WRONG
gay pride=ok/wrong
thinking gay pride is wrong=wrong
straight pride=weird

People get so upset over double standards, I don't see why.

They don't like something, so they whine that the double standard is to blame. They secretly love it, because it gives them a reason not to work at something.

Like being proud of your race...what is up with that? Why should I be proud because my skin pigmentation is ether high or low?

People are stupid. The obvious problem with white pride is the negative racial aspects of the phrase, but black pride is actually counter-productive to equality. At one point it served the purpose of being a big fuck you to racists, now it is just annoying. It has outlived it's usefulness, and now it just stands to remind people that they are different.

But about double standards, I know that life isn't fair. I find that not giving a shit about many things leads a relatively stress less life.

That is the model for life that the smart people follow.

[D2Kvirus]

At 12/10/08 03:33 PM, His-Penis-is-on-Fire wrote:
Okay, so whites got some racist jokes directed at them.

Black people got enslaved.

I don't fucking think those two even out.

How about you read between the lines: if programming aimed at whites made racist comments about blacks, they'd be yanked off the air ASAP and those responsible will probably never work in TV again. But when it's the other way around, nobody acts.

Those even out, because they're the exact same scenario - is playing the slavery card the new playing the race card or something?

[Achilles2]

I sometimes doubt whether some of you here at Newgrounds has a clue of what you're talking about, or have a little something called "common sense".

Here's the core value for any discussion based on race, religion, age, whatever includes generalizations: YOU DON'T ACT A CERTAIN WAY BECAUSE YOUR SKIN IS BROWN, OR BECAUSE YOU GO TO CHURCH AS OPPOSED TO A MOSQUE, OR BECAUSE YOU ARE 12 AND NOT 18.

Really, the simple answer is this: No one babies the minorities. Everyone is treated equally in the USA by the government, and that's all that matters in this discussion. Not all people act the same, so you can't generalize an entire mindset of people just because they were born brown.

Furthermore, the reason why it's far less offensive for me to call you "honky" than for you to call me the n word is history. "Honky"'s use was meant originally as a joke. Do you really think George Jefferson from that TV show really hated white people? Meanwhile, the n word has historically been a term used to verbally "show" that blacks are inferior to whites.

While I would never use any racist term, I do realize that there is a sort of "hierarchy of offense", and this hierarchy is based purely on historical meaning.

[Conspiracy3]

At 12/13/08 03:30 PM, Achilles2 wrote: I sometimes doubt whether some of you here at Newgrounds has a clue of what you're talking about, or have a little something called "common sense".

Here's the core value for any discussion based on race, religion, age, whatever includes generalizations: YOU DON'T ACT A CERTAIN WAY BECAUSE YOUR SKIN IS BROWN, OR BECAUSE YOU GO TO CHURCH AS OPPOSED TO A MOSQUE, OR BECAUSE YOU ARE 12 AND NOT 18.

I agree that you don't act differently because of race. I do think that you act differently based on your religion. I.e. a christian won't face Mecca and pray five times a day, and a Muslim won't go to a christian church every Sunday. There is an argument to be made either way on age.

Really, the simple answer is this: No one babies the minorities. Everyone is treated equally in the USA by the government, and that's all that matters in this discussion.

Affirmative action...

Not all people act the same, so you can't generalize an entire mindset of people just because they were born brown.

I agree

Furthermore, the reason why it's far less offensive for me to call you "honky" than for you to call me the n word is history. "Honky"'s use was meant originally as a joke. Do you really think George Jefferson from that TV show really hated white people? Meanwhile, the n word has historically been a term used to verbally "show" that blacks are inferior to whites.

What about the word cracker?

While I would never use any racist term, I do realize that there is a sort of "hierarchy of offense", and this hierarchy is based purely on historical meaning.

I don't really care about historical meaning. Why should one guy act differently to another guy based on what one guy's ancestors did to another guy's ancestors a hundred fifty years ago?

[Achilles2]

At 12/13/08 04:13 PM, Conspiracy3 wrote: Affirmative action...

Nowadays, it's used more as a helper for only the poor than for only blacks. I've seen affirmative action work positively for poor whites as well as poor blacks. That's the way it should be, if you ask me. But that's a different debate.

What about the word cracker?

Same thing as what you quoted.

To make myself more specific, it would also depend on the context one uses the words in. It isn't at all offensive to me when my white English teacher in 8th grade said the n-word when reading "To Kill a Mockingbird". However, it is offensive if someone (white or black, or whatever) said "What's up, n-word".

The same can be applied to racist terms against every other race.

I don't really care about historical meaning. Why should one guy act differently to another guy based on what one guy's ancestors did to another guy's ancestors a hundred fifty years ago?

I'm not condoning any form of racism, whether it be reverse or not. All forms of racism are equally stupid. What I am saying, though, is that the terms "whitey", "cracker", "honky", etc. are much less offensive than "darkie", "n-word", and "junglemonkey". It's simply inaccurate to say that these terms are equal in offensiveness (but it is accurate to say they are equal in stupidity).

[Garthredbunlove]

It's okay to be proud of your country. Italians usually have a lot of pride, and I doubt there's many black Italians.

[Cootie]

Think about it this way, you are white... you have the most sexy women and fonuded the most powerful country in existence.

[Austrian-Mats]

At 12/10/08 03:33 PM, His-Penis-is-on-Fire wrote: Okay, so whites got some racist jokes directed at them.

Black people got enslaved.

I don't fucking think those two even out.

Pf.
There have been tens of thousands of Chistians/Jews which were enslaved during, for example, the Islamic expansion, and countless other wars - read a fucking book. And yeah, plenty of these belonged to the "white race".
Arabic slavery was well-established long before the settlers in America even thought about getting some "involuntary help" in their agricultures from across the pond.

So, this sets your argument moot.

[Achilles2]

At 12/14/08 05:22 AM, Yamor wrote: Think about it this way, you are white... you have the most sexy women and fonuded the most powerful country in existence.

Except every white person living today did not find any of the powerful countries today. It's the same as blacks not being able to ask for slavery reparations, or the Japanese not being able to sue the US for the concentration camps set up for them, or the Mexicans not being able to demand reparations for their underpayment when they were migrant workers.

In short: You are white. You did not find a country, and not all your women are sexy. You can't take the achievements and fall backs of one white person and claim it your own just because your skin is light.

[Conspiracy3]

At 12/14/08 05:22 AM, Yamor wrote: Think about it this way, you are white... you have the most sexy women and fonuded the most powerful country in existence.

Asian chicks are sexier.