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At 7/21/09 08:33 PM, yurgenburgen wrote:

Well, now you have. That article talks about the US and the UK.

And if we specifically look at the US, the states with the highest levels of church attendance also have (by far) the highest violent crime rates. Unsurprisingly, the states with the lowest levels of church attendance have violent crime rates which are well below the national average. Now, at this point I am not suggesting that the cause of these crimes is in almost all cases religion (and even if that were true, it isn't my point anyway), but what these statistics do prove is that Atheism doesn't lead to chaos and murder and destruction, so the idea that religion somehow provides 'control' and 'order' is bullshit, because if it did, the states with higher levels of religious interest would have similairly low crime rates to the more Atheistic states.

Except that article never discussed social class, culture, etc. it simply bashed religion w/o looking at the other variable involved. Back in the day when there was virtually no moral development among anybody, you needed to be religious or else go fucking insane because you didn't have the moral development to be able to handle "THERE IS NO FUCKING GOD".

Hahaha, yeah, when someone has the burden of religion breathing down their neck they should look on the bright side and realise that they can 'hope' that it will go away. Praise the lord.

Yea, that is completely the point. Thx for agreeing with me.

So you're saying it's better to live your life being constantly lied to? You said yourself that the afterlife may not be true, and yet you're happy for people to go about their lives, tolerating all kinds of shit, and turning the other cheek because they are convinced that heaven awaits them even though you can't prove it? What nonsense. All this does is support the argument that religion brainwashes people. You've just proved my point in what you just said. Incredible.

But you never proved that it doesn't exist. And if you believe it doesn't exist than really NOTHING in this universe matters, so why spoil the fun for them if they don't benefit from being made aware?

At 7/21/09 08:05 PM, yurgenburgen wrote:

If that were true, places with higher levels of religious interest would have much lower crime rates than the more Atheistic areas, when it's actually the opposite. What you've just said could easily be applied to Communism; that it provides a means of control and order. Yeah, it does, but it involves brainwashing people and forcing them to behave in a certain way out of fear, which is the same way that religion thrives.

Nobody is forcing anybody to do anything. Also, i have never heard of more religious places having a higher crime rate than other places save the middle east.

Religion is often utilised by people who are terminally ill as a source of hope and comfort, which is entirely understandable and I fully empathise with anyone lying in a hospital bed who turns to 'god' for hope and whatever else. In that sense, yes, religion provides hope and encouragement, but for the rest of society, it's really just a burden.

but it also provides them hope. having burden does not necessarily mean you don't have hope. Religions brings in the point of saying: "Don't worry guys!! There IS something after death!!" which may or may not be true.

At 7/21/09 07:59 PM, nrlegend wrote:

I really thought after 2000 years we would able to get our morals under wrap. I'm talking about now, where the only group with the ambition to obtain and detonate a nuclear weapon is an islamic radicalist group. Besides Roman Catholics aren't the most extreme, on the contrary they are pretty open -minded.

Yet you said the entirety of religion is the problem. Don't set double standards after the fact.

If you knew anything about the Catholic church and development of society from 300 AD to about the end of the middle ages, you would immediately take back EVERYTHING you just said.

Religion primarily does two things:

It provides a means of control and order.
It provides hope and encouragement.

Because civil court is a very, very, very, very, very unlawful and biased institution. Women are SEVERELY favored in court over men.

God i love the Judicial system *cocks gun*

And who is the perpetrator you might ask? Its Nixon, thats right, Nixon. Even after his death he is still ass-ramming your wallet to this day. Why you might ask? Its because of a little thing we have going called a "fiat monetary system".

THIS should explain it better than i can.

Basically whats going on is that your standard of living is being robbed (or has been robbed) by the government. Inflation is their worst and most secret tax they have put on the American people. Why does nobody react to this? Because Americans like doing what they do best: Throw their rights away to give emergency power to the government in times of chaos caused by the government. Hence the whole "boom" and "bust" story of the 21st century. On top of all this, the government is so cunning that they handed off our debt to other countries KNOWING that it wont mean a damn thing in 50 years. Think about it, if China holds billions of dollars of debt now, in the future that would only mean as much as thousands mean today. Everything from the "consumer based economy", "the multiplier effect", "booms and busts", "Keynesian Economics" all work together so snug to keep this HUGE economic scam alive. The only thing the government has done wrong recently was exposing it to the American people.

Who is going to profit: the government, and the early investors who stocked up on REAL resources
Who is going to pay: The people who are currently being exploited by this system, i.e. the average Joe

Again America, im going to ask you to do something you are not accustomed to doing, FIGHT FOR YOUR DAMN RIGHTS.

At 7/12/09 02:09 PM, Nihilismus wrote:

At 7/11/09 10:32 PM, zero-graymatter wrote: mindless rhetoric as usual

I suppose you're right. There's really no point for concern. After all, none of us are long for this world and we're only delaying the inevitable.

Thank you ever so much for clarifying your ignorance and/or apathy.

You didn't pay attention to my point at all. My point was that what you were saying was pointless. You are clearly not addressing the issue at hand and are trying to play stupid semantics. Post something intelligent and/or actually contribute or just don't post.

At 7/12/09 10:51 AM, IThinkImDrunk wrote: ... You get grounded at 17 years old?

Yes, yes i do

At 7/12/09 10:49 AM, xXJAMI3Xx wrote:

I think It will be a Battlepriest that plate wears plate ( like a pali but more focused on casting than tanking ) instead of mana/rage/energy it would have a bar that is filled up by healing and then by filling it up you could cast very powerful aoe spells or buffs

what do you think :D ?

We call these "paladins", they already exist.

I had a couple ideas for classes, they were along the lines of Samurai and Medium

Talent Trees:

Samurai-Mind, Body, Soul
Medium-Cosmic, Spirit, Psychic

Assuming you never cleared your history, in one week how bad do you think it would be? I know that if my parents looked at my browsing history, i would probably be grounded for a good week or two.

I love how everybody is just kinda running around doing nothing while he collapses off of the train. You would think there would be some medical personal rushing in, but then again, this is India we are talking about.

No offense or anything.

They can do this because they are mods. Mods are chosen on the merit of responsibility and maturity, thus i see no problem.

She sounds like a fucking Mule!!

AHAHAHAHA

You have to throw them into a meat grinder

At 7/3/09 08:31 PM, DocSprite wrote: Welcome, everyone who just joined! Zero-gravity, can you clarify what you mean by their recent work being a "sell-out"? Do you mean they changed their music for the purpose of selling more albums? Because I don't really see much of a difference between albums like Revolutions per Minute and Appeal to Reason, other than the latter being more energetic.

Also, I just got The Sufferer and the Witness, which is IMO their best piece of work, but not their best album, if you know what I'm saying.

Im just saying that they have a lot more of a mainstream sound than they did before simply for the purpose of having a broader audience. The former albums had a much more hard rock sound, the newer albums have a much more punk rock sound to them. To me this just seems....... sellout-ish.

At 7/11/09 12:59 PM, Nihilismus wrote:

You mean like the fact that this planet is the only one in this solar system that can sustain us?
Or the fact that economies are artificial creations and flexible?

The kind of facts that can be confirmed by research at your local library or a quick Google search?

Oh i dunno, the part where you implied the existence of global warming and your positive stance on the Cap and Trade. Oh but if that wasn't what you were talking about and were just throwing nonsensical words out there with no purpose i would imagine that would be a bannable post since it accomplished 100% nothing.

At 7/11/09 09:59 PM, FUNKbrs wrote: It's the people who call me FunkBBR, though, that really get to me.

That one made me lol

At 7/11/09 01:41 PM, Malachy wrote:

not everyone has the luxury of a wall that must be kept covered with wet blood to avoid the creature from breaking through

Did you just say "wacky"??!!

lol, i always thought that it was funny that one of the characters was literally named "Mr. Fuck"

At 7/11/09 09:29 PM, SevenSeize wrote:

At 7/11/09 08:03 PM, zero-gravity wrote:

Nope, doesn't quite cut it.

okay, I also have art work from high school, pics my kids drew me, a huge rose that I cut from the homecoming dance backdrop in 11th grade, a silver bell, and a tree.

no?

and thats JUST this room. lol

Nope, you are still missing a novelty Billy Mays poster, A pair of 4 ft. long scissors, and Japan.

yes, Japan. XD

At 7/11/09 09:18 PM, GATOONA wrote: I heard if you sleep with a man, it would equal it out and cancel the first one.

lol nice southpark reference XD

At 7/11/09 08:00 PM, SevenSeize wrote:

I have bubble wrap stapled to my wall, that I send to skunkyfluffy and she sent back to me.

and the packaging for a titanium spork that stafff sent me.

and a life size Johnny Depp as captain jack sparrow

and mardi gras beads

HOW BOUT THAT?????

Nope, doesn't quite cut it.

At 7/9/09 03:57 AM, Iron-Claw wrote: Hitler was a mass murdering fuckhead killed 12 million people in the holocaust, 6 million Jews and an additional 6 million Gypsies, Gays, people with conditions and twins. And by Hitler's "logic" He too should've been sent into the ovens too his grandfather was Jewish, one of his relatives she had a condition, and he had brown hair and brown eyes. Hitler was also a pathetic coward, in the end with Russia marching in on Berlin instead of him out in the streets with a panzer schreck he hunkers down into a hole and simultaneously poisons and shoots himself like a cravin' little coward! How anyone can idolize a coward like that is beyond me!

No one is idolizing him, we are just saying that what he did was relatively normal compared to other bureaucracies. And im sure a coward wouldn't have the balls to march into Russia, Eastern Europe, and France......... oh wait.

At 7/11/09 03:56 AM, Nihilismus wrote:

nice rhetoric, now for more facts and less emotionalism.

I'm not the one resorting to ad-hominem attacks and other fallacies.

But you didn't provide facts either. Way to try to dodge the refute.

stfu and give us facts or don't make a statement.

At 7/10/09 10:28 PM, BrianEtrius wrote:

I don't see that happening a lot, because the only people who really do like flaming and trolling are new and pretty obvious, thus their threads get deleted. So I really don't see where you're getting at.

How about the fact that this has to do with the politics forums first, not the entire forum?

Touche, just throwing the idea out there lol.

How about flaming and trolling? I know there are some jerks who just make threads in this forum for the intention of trying to epically troll as many people as possible since about 99.9999999% of people who lurk/post in this forum are hotheaded and willing to pounce on the slightest logical flaw and sometimes w/o realizing that its just a troll. Also what about topics like "________ suck" or "Fuck _____" whose purposes are purely to attack one group or another disregarding if it has logic or not. All that ever erupts into is some incredibly stupid flame war which loses all logical taste after a while.

Also, if you want to make a sticky, how about we start with the unofficial general forum rules which have been sloshed around in mod blogs (Zerok's blog) and obscure, out of sight topics (Sanjay's rant on celebrity death threads)?

At 7/7/09 12:58 PM, Ericho wrote:

At 7/7/09 08:15 AM, farno1 wrote: What I'm saying is global warming is a hoax so the government can tax you. All they want is your money.

If it's money used to save the environment its money worth taken.

But the problem is that its not........

No lock?

At 7/6/09 07:00 PM, AbstractVagabond wrote:

Until you show me a peer reviewed, authentic study by a major science institution, i can't take you seriously.

And if that "major science institution" is controlled by bureaucrats and lobbyists, would you still take their "authentic study" seriously?

This is where the peer reviewed part comes into play. You wouldn't believe the standards that a journal has to pass to be considered scientifically true. There are a good number of people that have to look at the journal.

I only update when it is very necissary. I don't give a shit if someone made a computer that has 50 more gigs of data memory or shit like that, but if someone builds a computer that can be programmed to turn on my TV, start the water running in my shower, and be able to run WoW, Crisis, and TF2 all at once, then yea.... i just might buy it.