At 11/13/09 05:40 PM, JohnnyWang wrote:
No, but it means that Israel loses its moral high ground.
No, it means that we are much stronger and the fact they 'tease' us with their rockets will get them killed....if they dont want to die, dont shoot rockets...shocking O_O
Funny how everything else you say seems to contradict this.
you know there are Arabs living in Israel right??
? The Israeli goverment is the one breaking the UN resolutions. Well, them, and the homesteaders.
actually, no...the UN pretty much hates us and everything LEGAL is turning ILLEGAL cause we didn't use it the way they wanted to..
And the Gaza coflict was the first exchange of violence in the conflict? Hamas didn't start bombing Israel for the hell of it. First of all, they found suicidie bombings to be inneffective, second, they've been kept down their whole lives, people have been arrested for frivilous reasons and any attempts to peace has failed, leaving the militant groups as the only option.
less deaths just show that we care more about our civilians and not using them as a human shield
Or you know, Palestinains don't have planes to carpetbomb Tel Aviv, or haven't forced millions of people into a shantytown the size of a small suburb.
the last one i never heard of but it makes since....I dont get it....what do you expect thats gonna happen after you lunch rockets? russia almost obliterated S.Ostia for less....
What do you expect the Palestinians to do when they've been kicked around for sixty years? Israel had upper had from day one, and it's been downhill for Palestine from there. They've been forcibly removed from their land. Sent to hostile neighbouring countries to prmitive reffugee cammps, where they've more than once been the target of pogroms by the local populace (Isreal even prevent more sympathetic neighbours from stopping one Palestinian purge in Jordania). They are not allowed to have a governemnt (the parliamentary house is abandoned because it's impossible to use). Political leaders tend to get assassinated or put on house arrest. The West Bank is divided into "Isalnds", preventing people from moving pretty much anywhere from their neighbourhood. They are deprived gas, electricity, clean water. Their areas are being polluted. They were used as cheap labour until the Russian Jews filled the quota, so they've been robbed of the last of their income.
This, and then Israel bombs them with palnes and tanks and helicopters, and bulldozes houses, wallls off neighbourhoods. Shoots people on the streets. Send people to prison camps where they are dehumanized, deprived the right to bathe and put on show for newcomers in the military to indoctrinate them against them.
-they DID shoot for the hell of it...
-In the six days war Israel captured gaza, Juda and Shimron and Sinai...
in 1969 Israel gave Sinai to Egypt for a peace treaty, but for some reason(I wonder what reason) they DID NOT WANT Gaza...they wanted us to deal with them...
-if any Arab country wants peace then sure why not???
we make peace....but no they don't want peace they want territory
-if they are so poor then why are they keeping bombing us even now?
just so you know before the war Israel gave Gaza 100,000,000 dollars, food and medicine....
in return we still got bombed...so we feed them they shoot us?? just shows that they do not want peace they enjoy doing so...
-actually the Israel jail makes our civilians pretty pissed...
they get vacations
free food
they can go to a university...
I'm not saying hamas is right in its acions. I don't say Hizbollah is right. however, there's a simple thing called "being the bigger jerk".
fighting back is not being a jerk it is self defense
At 11/13/09 05:42 PM, gumOnShoe wrote:
I imagine that if your city was under a blockade, you were semi starved, and you didn't have guns and there was a mafia in your town, you wouldn't be very likely to stand up either.
so what were we supposed to do?
let them keep lunching rockets at us?
Only the establishment of 2 separate states. Or you know some sort of conciliatory moves or halt of aggression on all ends.
actually there are to states...Israel and Jordan...
He's not innocent, he disobeyed a direct order to not protect civilians. And he succeeded in protecting them as he should have been ordered to do in the first place.
I don't know much about this(thats why i did not comment on it)
but it makes sense you cant risk youre friends life by disobeying an order
actually i might have missed that cause i am reading pretty quickly....anyway all I can trully say that this war is justified and had the minimum casualties possible....after this war there were like 10 quasams lunched at us which is relatively few.....
Indeed, but you didn't manage to get your soldier back. And everything is escalating again.
let it escalate they want another war then there will be another war...
Where would they go? They can't immigrate to the Arab countries and you won't let them back in.
and why arab countries don't want them in? because they only cause trouble...