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At 6/6/10 12:08 PM, MrPercie wrote: I haven't got anything against the gays but I dont think they should get married because marriage is a Christian thing.

Marriage isn't a Christian thing, ignoramus.

I don't like religion in general, since I think it is anti-progress, but I only bash Christians when they try to force their religion on me. Same with other religions.

You're completely right. The government shouldn't tax you to hell, no, but living in America means that you have an obligation to the community, and are required to give some of your money in taxes. Taxes are vital to our society.

You mean:

Crazy Lefties:
-Signs of Bush as Hitler
-Signs calling Bush a fascist
-Signs saying "I'm here to kill the President"
-Throwing objects at the President's passing vehicle
-Accusing him of going AWOL during Vietnam
-Accuse him of intentionally stealing BOTH Presidential elections
-Bite the fingers off a protesting tea party goer.
-Beat up a black guy while shouting racial slurs at him for being against Universal Health Care

Crazies on the Right (those damn tea party people!)

-Signs calling Obama a Socialist
-Signs saying he's in bed with Wallstreet
-Signs saying he's having the Government take over Health Care.
-Signs of him with a Hitler mustache
-Signs saying "get you government hands off my Medicare"
-Call him a Muslim
-Against education
-want less government control AND abortion to be illegal
-call him racist

Yes, they both have their crazies. But I would like to make the point that Bush Jr. was a terrible President who started an illegal war and ruined our economy. I can see why people would hate him. But, what has Obama done that is so terrible?

At 4/20/10 10:11 AM, gumOnShoe wrote:

At 4/20/10 10:03 AM, Jon-86 wrote:

At 4/20/10 02:35 AM, aviewaskewed wrote: because if the guy who bitches about "truthers" is in actuality a "birther"

What do you mean by "truthers" and "birther" ?

A "truther" believes 9/11 was carried out by the government or at least not al qaeda and a "birther" believes Obama was born outside of the U.S. and hence isn't a U.S. citizen and hence wouldn't be allowed to be president.

Both positions are indefensible.

Not true. There is proof against the birthers, and none for it, but there is some proof for the truthers' theory. I won't get into that here, though.

So, is Obama a Muslim? First of all, of course not. He swore on a Bible at his inauguration, something a Muslim would never, EVER do. Second, who cares? All religions are equally terrible, so it doesn't matter which he is a member of.

http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/quot es/adams.htm
http://nobeliefs.com/jefferson.htm
http://www.barefootsworld.net/founding.h tml
She is a retard.

Nah, works either way.

But, the thing is, some incompetent fool wanted to spend trillions. Now, the only way to pay back trillions of dollars is to invest a few trillion. I don't see any way out.

At 1/12/10 01:25 PM, KidneyThief wrote: I hope the beer is decent..

Good beer? Oxymoron.
Ugh.

Why should Muslims be treated any differently from other people?

At 2/11/10 05:18 PM, Bacchanalian wrote:

At 2/11/10 04:16 PM, Ultimate-Collector wrote: Of course displacement doesn't factor in. But, obviously, when the ice melts, it makes the water level rise.

"but" ? That seems like an odd choice of conjunction when the latter condition essentially follows the former.

I mean, displacement caused by the glaciers that are on land. I think someone said that only displacement would make the water rise, and said that the ice was on land, so it wouldn't happen. So I explained.

Imperator -- Oh, so that's what the Trinity means? Like, three gods? You're right, where does it say anything about three?

At 2/10/10 01:50 PM, ThunderboltLegion wrote:

At 2/9/10 06:49 PM, Ultimate-Collector wrote: Here's some food for thought.
In the Bible, it says that after Cain was exiled, he went to live in the land of Nod, and took a wife there. This doesn't make sense. Other than Cain, Adam, and Eve, at the time, nobody else was alive. The Bible is full of nonsense. Why do you live by it?

The Bible does not specifically mention the berth of a lot of people that certainly existed however it does infer some of them by stating at the end of verse 4, in chapter 5, when referring to Adam "and he begat sons and daughters".

The Bible only directly mentions three offspring of Adam and Eve. It indirectly mentions that they had "sons and daughters", possibly hundreds considering how long they lived. That's right; this means Cain's wife was his sister.

Oh, I guess that makes sense. Never thought about that.
I do, however, stand by my opinion that the Bible should not be used as the source of truth. We have no proof that anything in it is correct; therefore, I regard it as false. I mean, what makes it any more credible than the Torah or Qur'an?

At 2/10/10 02:00 AM, Hectwerk wrote:

At 2/9/10 07:36 PM, poxpower wrote: capitalist dictatorship

Oxymoron

You could, conceivably, have a dictator that promoted capitalism, though it would be unlikely.

At 2/10/10 02:24 PM, TrevorW wrote: Gum is right. Democracy is a form of government while Communism is a form of economics -- you can't compare the two as people have been here.

Try: Democracy v Socialism

or

Capitalism v Communism

Of course this debate is much larger than this, but I will save the expanses.

Actually, socialism isn't a form of government. You could compare communism and socialism to capitalism, and democracy to... dictatorship, I suppose.
I'm pretty sure that communism is simply a more extreme form of socialism, correct?

humphreys, though I disagree with you on some things, like abortion, I respect you because you, like me, see how stupid the party system really is. All it leads to, in the end, is a bunch of brainwashed cronies fighting with each other so much that nothing gets done. We need to do away with the system, and have everyone think for themselves, using logical, rational thought.

At 2/6/10 09:02 PM, jeeshwa123 wrote: Global Warming is a theory. Bottom line.

Of course it is, you ignoramus! So is gravity! So is relativity! Does that mean it's not true? Of course not!

At 2/6/10 09:02 PM, jeeshwa123 wrote:

:They've had statistics n' crap, but they can't come to a conclusion.
Wow. You have no idea what you're talking about. Statistics are what they get the theory from. If the statistics say that the Earth is warming, then it is. Because statistics say what is going on.

At 2/6/10 09:02 PM, jeeshwa123 wrote:

:I believe in the theory that the earth's temperature rises and falls over time, it's actually been happening for centuries.
That isn't a theory. It's fact. A theory is a scientific explanation of why something is happening.

At 2/6/10 09:02 PM, jeeshwa123 wrote:

:It's like the swine flu. The government just hypes things up when they shouldn't be all hyped up.
No. It's not. Any reputable scientist would tell you that global warming is a real problem.

At 2/9/10 10:38 PM, Patton3 wrote: Too bad most of that melting ice isn't already in the ocean; it's land locked. Meaning those billions upon billions of gallons of water trapped as ice aren't in the ocean, and displacement doesn't factor in here.
The ice that is in the oceans won't cause it to rise, but most of it is on land. It's called Antarctica. And more, if your theory is true, how do explain rising oceans over the past decades?

Of course displacement doesn't factor in. But, obviously, when the ice melts, it makes the water level rise.

At 1/31/10 12:22 PM, Saxturbation wrote: If the Earth starts heating up, it will correct itself. After the meteor hit the dinosaurs, dust and dirt shot up into the atmosphere heating the Earth almost up to a boil. But after awhile it turned itself around. It even ended in an Ice Age and now we are here with a normal climate.

Fail. That was after most life on Earth was obliterated, and it only righted itself after thousands of years.

I think that Communism isn't great, because apparently, it inevitably leads to an oppressive government, like in China and the USSR. However, before people go bashing socialism and Obama, I would like to make it clear that socialism is not inherently evil. Really, a successful country needs some capitalistic policies, such as free trade, and some socialistic policies, such as health care.

Coherent, I agree with everything you said. I've been saying for a while that maybe more intellectuals are liberal because it makes more sense. I mean, when intelligent people like college professors and scientists are mostly liberal, what does that suggest about your party?

Saxturbation, that's exactly what I've been thinking. I mean, a young child knows that you can't spend what you don't have.
Although, to be fair, I suppose the only real way to pay off the existing debt is to make investments and hope that they pay off.

Here's some food for thought.
In the Bible, it says that after Cain was exiled, he went to live in the land of Nod, and took a wife there. This doesn't make sense. Other than Cain, Adam, and Eve, at the time, nobody else was alive. The Bible is full of nonsense. Why do you live by it?

At 1/25/10 06:47 PM, Bacchanalian wrote:

No. I mean IMpossible.

Really?

At 1/23/10 09:01 PM, Ultimate-Collector wrote: I'm just saying it doesn't seem very likely

Effectively impossible... As in, so very improbable, that for all intents and purposes, it's impossible.

I only attack the religious people who shove their beliefs down my throat.

At 1/25/10 02:11 AM, Bacchanalian wrote:

At 1/24/10 04:39 PM, Ultimate-Collector wrote: What does that have to do with it?

I accuse you of an argument from personal incredulity. You don't have to say "divine creation can't be true" to be committing an argument from personal incredulity, though that is what the example shows. (By analogy, you don't have to stab someone to murder them, despite the example of murder being a stabbing.)

You accuse me? Okay... Why is that argument bad? Huh?

I'll level with you. My accusation is really presumptuous. But replying, "I'm not saying it can't be true," does not refute the accusation (per the reason above). What you say below does.

I feel that I'm justified in thinking that the theory of a god creating the Universe is ridiculous. That god would violate pretty much every law of physics, making it impossible for that god to exist.

When you say impossible you mean unlikely right?

No. I mean IMpossible. It is impossible to violate a law of physics. That's why it's a law.
Granted, the laws are subject to change, BUT as of now, we are pretty sure they are right, considering that the laws we have were subjected to every kind of test you could think of. So, yes, it is impossible for a god like the christian one to exist.

At 1/22/10 11:15 PM, mywiiishard wrote: Obama didn't do shit to deserve that prize. He got it because he's black, liberal, and the President. He acts like he is Jesus F'n Christ telling us that he knows what we need. He just needs to ask us what we want and quit pretending that he is doing a good job.

He didn't nominate himself, dude. It doesn't matter, anyway -- conservatives and Republicans would have bashed him whether he accepted it or not.
And, who says he isn't doing a good job? Aside from the war, and health care, he's doing pretty good. Did you see the link in my post above?

Okay... One source.
http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/scien ce/topics/globalwarming/index.html
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/
http://www.climatehotmap.org/
http://www.worldviewofglobalwarming.org/

http://environment.nationalgeographic.co m/environment/global-warming/gw-causes.h tml
http://environment.about.com/od/faqgloba lwarming/f/globalwarming.htm
http://timeforchange.org/cause-and-effec t-for-global-warming

Six sources from just two pages of a Google search. Notice that I have such reputable sources as the New York Times and National Geographic.

Amendment 14 of the Constitution:
:All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Basically, this establishes equal rights.
Yes, that means banning gay marriage is illegal. Also, any law that makes it illegal is automatically void and doesn't apply.

At 1/24/10 03:53 PM, LazyDrunk wrote: You're funny. Earth is obviously 8000 years old. Those billions year old (solar year is a short time, mind you) rock were simply planted here to confuse you.

You have got to be fucking kidding me. Or yourself.

At 1/24/10 02:19 AM, Bacchanalian wrote:

At 1/23/10 09:01 PM, Ultimate-Collector wrote: I'm not saying it can't be true, I'm just saying it doesn't seem very likely, so we should keep an open mind about other ways of explaining the Universe.

Let's suppose you shoot someone dead.

I explain to you that murder is the act of killing another human being. The example provided is of someone being stabbed rather than shot. I accuse you of murder and you reply...

"I didn't stab anyone."

You're kind of missing the point.

What does that have to do with it?

At 1/23/10 09:01 PM, Ultimate-Collector wrote: I'm not saying it can't be true

You're right. You're not. You're saying divine creation is ridiculous. Ridiculous enough to believe that it is not true. That is an argument from personal incredulity when prefaced with "My thing is, it just seems" and followed by no explanation.

I feel that I'm justified in thinking that the theory of a god creating the Universe is ridiculous. That god would violate pretty much every law of physics, making it impossible for that god to exist.

At 12/11/09 02:13 PM, Major-n0ob wrote: Indeed! I think it is time we move the debate from "Is Global Warming Real" to "Who all is responsible for the hoax". It is pretty well understood that it IS a hoax, perpetuated out of greed. Let us now move on to arguing over who is responsible for it and what punishments they should receive.

There's plenty of data to support it. Shoe me ONE piece of data that proves Global Warming is a hoax.