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At 6/22/05 08:53 PM, Proteas wrote: Name me one detainee who has died or was tortured at Gitmo in the same manner as those at Auchwitz or the Gulags. I dare you.

Mozzam Begg. A British Citizen who was taken into custody for being in Pakistan at the wrong time. He has stated that he was abused and tortured.

read this to find a brief summary of what he has said he has been through whislt imprisoned at gitmo.

Now alnswer me this. Why would an innocent man who was taken to gitmo for being a terrorist ,when he wasn't, want to kick up a fuss that could be easily proved false if the accusations weren't true?

Think about it. A terrorist would just want to go back into the shadows to go hijack another plane. They wouldn't wnat there to be lots of press releases about them and news stories, cause they don't wnat to be noticed.

And if that is the case then that means Begg isn't a terrorist and therefore has no reaosn to make up shit about what happened to him in Gitmo.

It's food that can be cooked in numerous ways. What more do you really need to know?

At 6/22/05 02:01 PM, Proteas wrote:

At 6/22/05 01:11 PM, Tri-Nitro-Toluene wrote:

He compared Gitmo to Auchwitz, the Russian Gulags, and the Cambodian death camps. That's a damned insult to the survivors of those camps and it's an insult to our men and women in arms. Undermining the war effort will not end the war any time soon.

anyone with half a brain cell that ehars those comments wouldn't be insulted by it. The Men and women of the US military have nothing to be ashamed of if they haven't done anything. And as for the comments being an insult to the survivors?

If the sort of thigns that are taking place in Gitmo are actually comparable to what the Survivors of Auswhitz went through then THAT is an Insult to the surviors. Especially as Countless people gace their lives to try and stop the lieks of the Nazi Concentration camps and the gulags ever happening again......and the country that head lined that battle? The US. And yet its the US Government that seems to forget this, despite the fact they have memorials to remind the population of how many died during those batles for freedom, depsite the blind patriotism, they are sitll willing to forget it when they want soemthing.

THAT is an insult to every single person that fought,died and lived through the world wars. Which is pretty much a large proportion of the Whole world. What's worse?

I"Insulting" someone by telling the truth as you se eit? Or blatantly ignoring what millions died for and suffered through?

Comapring Gitmo to the Gulags or Auswitz isn't an insult if it's actually happening....and guess what? It is happening!

At 6/22/05 04:33 PM, Coop83 wrote: It sounds like the writing style of Robert Rankin. Very funny, so do let us know.

Will do. As soon as I finish I'll write a review for it.

At 6/22/05 12:40 PM, Proteas wrote: You know what I would like to see? (1) Durbin's comments removed from the congressional record, (2) Durbin APOLOGIZE FOR HIS COMMENTS, not apologize to those he offended, (3) I'd like to see someone demand Durbin step down.

Why would I like to see someone demand Durbin to step down? I think it be pretty fair if the tables were turned for a change.

1) What good what that do? His comment are on the net and that means thye cna be looke dta by anyone with a computer and net access. So stirking it from the records as though it never happened would do nothing cause the comments could still be found.

2) Why should he apologise for his comments? If that is his opinion then he is entitled to it. he also has a right to to state his opinions cause of a little thign called freedom of speech if it offends people big deal. He has apologised for offending people which is actually what matters.

What good does him saying sorry for his comment sin generla do?

3) I'm sure someone will call for him to step down.Just give it some time. I don't think he should but that's my opinion.

At 6/21/05 05:55 PM, Myst_Williams wrote: Awesome.

YEha just so you knwothat isn't going to hapen. my physics exam has sapped my energy and I cn't be bothere dto do anythign but psot on the BBS and eat :-( But after my final exam on Fridya I'll finish everything off.

Yes! Its a could thing btw.

lol that's nice to hear :P

Haha, i cant wait! I am going hardcore on evemortal myself. : )

Myst have you ever actually posted anything of EverMortal? I'm really interested in it and would like to read alittle bit of it.

Manic (TNT) is still around, as is Coop. Those would be the two oldest members. I'd like to think of them as co-creators essentially. : )

awwww bless. Much <3 to you aswell msyt :-P

For WOR... i was going to give one last attempt at it. Maybe a star wars theme. I will be updating my idea for that before the end of the month i hope.

Giving it anothe rgo seems like a good diea to me. Hows this for an idea though. Ask Alkador if you can host it on his Freeworld Froums? That wya we won't have to put up with shit from people who think its "NErdy " to roleplay or whatever.

One last go might be fun.

It would indeed.

At 6/22/05 12:07 PM, marchingtyrants wrote: and why do the authorities do anything about this? sick fuckers

Because the Sweatshops aren't actually brekaing the laws of the countries they ar ein. Whislt you may think " Capatlist countries ar eevil because they allow sweatshops!" They actually don't. The countries thta have sweatshops tend to be LEDC's and I really can't think of an LEDC I would call a CApatlist country.

the point of freedom is the same. except that laws are more strict so that no crimes are commited and everybody will be happy with what they have.

how Naive are you? Criem would happen even if the Punishemtn for Litteirng was beign hung drawn and quartered. You will always get people who act outside the law.

it means that if your'e poor then you will be in that state forever in a capitalist country. The Big corporates don't want useless outcasts in their business.

It can actually happen it just you need to put your mind to it. CApitalism doens't reward Laziness and rightly so. Ther eis npthign wrong with that.

In USSR this is otherwise.

I'm sure it is. I mena the USSR's economy wa sperfetc afterall wasn't it?

That won't exist in USSR.

Bollocks. Pue bollcoks. Where you get humans you get prejudice which leads to discrimination.

i'm bringing sex in because you people are sick poor bastards who's obsessed in it.

So would a communist nation be obbsesse dwith it. It's a natural thing and ther eis nothign wrong with it. Granted it has been exploited but making everywhere communist wouldn't help.

duh? its a bad image for their country,moron.

Since when ar epeople only happy when theya r rich? I'm uite happy and I'm most certianly not rich. You seem to have it in your head that there are only two groups of people in a capatlist country. The rih and the poor. When in relaisty there are many other groups in between that's what Tax brackets are for so we know who has so much money and how much to tax them.

I'm not rich but I'm not poor so by your thinking of their only being the rich and the oppressed in Capatilism then I don't exist. i am inf atc a figment of your imagination.

There are no drugs in USSR. unless theyre prescribed by the doctor of course. Punishment for drug trafficking is death.

Murder is punishable by Death in the USA but it still happens.

lets just look at USA. Some sick fuckers i've read in the news that the guy kidnaps 10 year olds and keep having sex with them until theyre 17. isnt that sick? and the abuse on foreign housekeepers....

It is sick but your still gonna gte sick fucks under a Commie regime.

because people will kill each other more you idiot. only law forces should have guns. and what the fuck civilians need an M-16A1 for?

My God I'm actually agreieng wiht you onsoemthing. Down with the rght to bera arms >:-(

There have been betrayals in America right? And in every 6'o clock news there must be something patriotic shit. heck. why are there nazis and commies in US? why do al ot of young generations hate the US?

I'd just like to say your point about patriotism is ridicoulous. There was PAtritoism in the USSR. Eveyrone did, everythign for the " Mother land" if that aint patriotism then nothing is.

and the reaosn that the young generation don't like the US ISn't becuase they don't like capatilism its because they don't like the Bush Adminsitration or what it stands for. But seeing as Bush and his underlings represent the US the young generation think they re the US when they aren't.

At 6/22/05 11:43 AM, marchingtyrants wrote: why would anyone do that? People will be hanged. But why torture and misery? Death is the best punishment ever,.

Hardly. the thign with torture is that you can prolong it for the rest of that persons life. With Death its a case of injetc and your done. it might be painful but the torture would be more painful and would alst logner. So if your a sick Psychopath then yeha Torture is far better than just killing them outright.

At 6/22/05 11:37 AM, Rude_Buddha wrote: I've been meaning to join this club... I collect books as a hobbie, and im one of the only people in my grade that actually likes to read... I dont really have a favorite type of genre for books i just sorta like read whatever i can find...

I can't see any reaosn why you wouldn't be allowed to join so welcome :-)

The latest book i have started to read is called " Paint Your Dragon" by Tom Holt.

It is the story of the rematch of the century. St George Vs the Dragon.

With the absolutley delightful messgae of " Evil is Innocent. Ok?" on the front cover and the first paragrpah being along the liens of

" A long time ago there was fight between good and evil. Good won and everyone lived happily ever after. But supposing Good cheated? Supposing Evil threw the fight?"

it promises to be quite a funny book.

At 6/22/05 08:08 AM, hypern wrote: Tell me are they a nice government
What do you think, tell me, give me your views on this contury, are nice or not?

I ahev tos ay that alot of what you brought up that makes China soudn bad has probably been done by every other major country in the world.

Lets face it the controversy that surrounds Gitmo at the moment and the abuse of Prisoners is mroe or less the same thign as breaking the geneva convention. but I'd be very surprised to find that every other country ahs stuck to the Geneva convention.

And I thought the Geneva convention only covered the right sof PoW's? If thats the cas ethne if the civilians that the chinese are torturing ar eindeed civilians then they aren't breaking the Geneva convention.

but I'm not sure if I'm right about the Geneva convention only covering Prisoner sof war though.

And the weapons thing? Using the US again as another example, didn't the US give Saddam weapons at some point? I'm only going on what i read in a MIchael Moore book so I am taking it with a pinch of salt but if its true then if the Worlds only superpower is happy to do it then why shouldn't china give weapons to a government mos tpeople don't like?

China haven't done anything to affect me so they are ok as I see it.

At 6/22/05 11:13 AM, totalwar wrote: By the next British election Bush will be out of office.

We cna hipe. I wouldn't be surprised if somehow Bush managed to get soemthing chanegd so that he can serve another 2 terms or soemthing.......you so know ther eis nothing stopping him form changing his name and thta means he can run for office again.

And maybe you'll want your prime minister kissing this new guy's ass. Who knows maybe we finally find the new FDR or Teddy?

I don't want my PM kissing anyones ass though. if he wants to be friendly with the US then that is fine with me but Kissing anyones ass is a No-No in my book.

It's not likely but we gotta role that lucky seven sometime soon.

We cna hoep that you do roll that seven I think your due it after qll the crpa Bush is done. Either way even if you don't get the Seven Bush's sucessor is going to have a hell of a job at rebuilding relations with the rest of the world.

At 6/22/05 08:31 AM, ZeroAsALimit wrote: The British way to celebrate:
1 round of "hip-hip-hoorays", then off for some discussion with tea and crumpets

If there is time afterwrads the Jammy Dodgers are passed round aswell. But that only happens if the people are feeling frisky or if someone has spiked the Tea with soemthign stronger.

At 6/21/05 05:42 PM, totalwar wrote: Nice to see one of you Brits finally admit it. :)

Why bother denying it? Untill we Blair is out of Downing Street we are just going to be licking Bush's backside. Hopefully When Gordon brown take sover he will have some balls and tell bush to piss off.

What would be even better is if Brown told Bush to piss off and then in the next election the Liberal Democrats got in....sadly that's not going to happen :-(

At 6/21/05 02:16 PM, Myst_Williams wrote: Overall

I thought your images and verbs were very strong. I thought it was cohesive enough for what I know so far, except that your character seems to have a personality disorder at times or at least doesn’t act the age I envision him at.

I hadn't picke dup on that with GArret. I'll sort that out. I can see what you mena though he does seem to ahve to sdies. one which is a lot mroe stronger than the other.

You need to watch your negative repetition the most. Watch that you keep consistent and do not get sloppy with your writing at times. And finally, be careful with your awkward sentences – read your own work aloud to catch things like that. If you yourself can not read it with the proper flow, who else will be able to?

will try that and I'll watch out for the negative repetition.

Anyway, you know I like it, I just felt like giving a good review now that my exams have finally finished. All I have is grad left then I am done!

lol thanks for the review mate :P I'll try and get some of your recomendations done tonight and I'll try and finish them of tommorow.

Great job! You have a unique approach with words

I do?

and your images are stellar most of the time. I love it! I want more. : )

Then moee you shall have :P I'll be finishing my exams one Friday and I'll have like 9 weeks off froms chool with nothing to do...well I'll be on holiday for 2 weeks but that still means I've got 7 weeks :-) So I'm hoping to get a HUGE chunk of writing done then.

Cheers for the review mate. It was really helpful :-)

At 6/21/05 01:44 PM, FRIMA wrote: Don't be so pessimistic

I'm british. What do you expect? I live in a country that is a pawn of the USA. Of course I'm gonna be Pessismistic.

not every country needs a new leader, just one or two just to let start a new discussion.

Maybe.......in all honesty i think the best thing to do would be to get rid of the EU as it stands and start froms cratch and make clear what they want to happen.

Yes but if I answered I could go on for hours and I don't want to go off-topic.

haha :P Fair enough.

Anyway, we'll see if they'll take back the Euro or not.

We will indeed. £20 pounds says they switch back to the Lira by the end of next year :P

I think the people don't like the Euro because the people sort of miss the Gulden, not because the Euro is a bad coin or something.

I'll have to take your word for it about the Gulden but from what I've heard the Gulden was at a lower rate of Inflation or soemthing than the rest of the countries that started to use the Euro and because of that the price of living went up or soemthing.

Economics is not my strong point so don't ask me how this was worked out or anything. I just remember hearing/reading soemthing about it somewhere....to make it worse I can't even remember where I heard it. Damn my poor memory!

At 6/21/05 12:09 PM, FRIMA wrote: You're right, but that can change; it would a shame to reject the whole European project because of certain politicians or the way things are decided aren't good.

It can change. Whether it will or not is anothe rmatter. Europe needs a new generaiton of eladers with different idealsthatw ant to work towards a greater good to make it happen. And the chances of every country getting a ne wleade that wants to work for the greater good?

0%

To me, the EU brings more advantages than it brings disadvantages.

you might be right but by GOD the disadvantages are BIG disavantages. the unfairnes sof the CAP looms alrge in my mind.

The only thing I'm worried about is Turkey joining the EU

Might I ask why?

The EU isn't falling to pot. Most people I know like the Euro and it was only one Italian politician who wanted the Lira back. You're are maybe right about the Dutch, but I don't think it's likely to happen.

Not what i've heard. The Daily politics on BBC 1 ( i think) did a slot on Europe at some point in the last few weeks and they interviewed some Italian ambassador or politicla anaylst or soemthing (I can't remember what he did) and he said that there was some majpor shit stirring regarding the Euro and that a number of people wanted the Lira back.

And as for the Dutch I'll actually be mroe surprised ifanother country ditches the Euro first. The Dutch are really unhappy with it so that means they are very likely to do it especially as they ar eunhappy with their current government as from waht i've seen of him portrayed on the news, he is a veyr Euro Freindly guy and I thinkt hat the Dutch will want someone less Friendly to the rets of Europe....or at leats someone more sceptical.

We are realizing, that's also why the Dutch and the French voted no.

The people are realising but the politicans aren't. They can not, and will not,be able to force unity among the European Nations. That is what they need to realise and its going to take more than one vote of Non and another vote of Nee to do that.

At 6/21/05 11:45 AM, FRIMA wrote: What? Maybe the Millenium Dome is useless, but the EU isn't. I like the EU.

There's the problem. I don't. I used to be in favour of Europe but after I staretd watching the politics that was going on in Europe I realised how wrong I was.

Without it it would be much harder for me to go and study or work in a foreign country when i'll be older, I can pay in lots of countries with one coin and I can travel freely to almost any country in the EU without having to ask for a visum or having to wait lots of hours on country borders.

And the fact that all this Bureaucratic red tape that is being emmitted from Brussels doesn't affect your opinion at all?

The Eu is falling to pot. The Italians are probably going to switch back to the Lira and I wouldn't be surprised to see the Dutch following the example either.

If the EU wants a united Europe then by God they need to realise they are going about it the wrong way. Trying to force the European countries to fall unde rone banner when ther eis so much animosity between some of the countries.

At 6/21/05 10:22 AM, fenrus1989 wrote: i've always questioned this. As a scotsmen i've always wondered why the EU never actually asked iceland to join it. But look how good iceland is doing without the EU. Look how good the UK is doing with limited EU. My feeling is that the UK can do well enough on it's own without the UK

I presume the last UK a smeant to be an EU?

But you are right. The fact that we have a limited membership and are doing pretty dmanw ell make sme wodner what we would be like without the red tape from brussels.

I liked the idea that was given on Mock the Week on the BBC on sunday. Move the European Parliament to the Millenium Dome. Both are useless so its best to just shove them together and let them both rot.

At 6/21/05 10:10 AM, La-Z-boi wrote: The governments should've advertised more.

Actually what they should have done was not make a constitution thats 400+ pages long. A constitution should only deal with major problems and situations. The European Constitution went into the niggly details that no one outside of Brussels cares about.

If the Consitution had been shorter then more people would have read it, the No votes probably would have still happened though 'cause the Dutch were pissed off at the rate of inflation they have suffered through the intorduction of the Euro and the french were worried that the new members in thre EU would damage their business oppurtunities. Whether or not people read the damned consitituion doesn't matter. The reuslts would have still been the same.

Doofy would win. Silenced Intruder would be to busy trying to make sure his tin foil hat doesn't fall off, so the aliens that are surrounding the planet can't read his mind and send his thoughts to the illuminati.

the US grand prix was a huge farc.e I stopped watching when it became obvious that the race wasn't going to happen properly. And its all because someone didn't wan't to build a bloody schickane(sp?).

Idiocy thy name is FIA.

Email wade and tell him then. Try and provide some sort of evidence that it is yours and not round_downs(or whateve rhis name is). Bithcing on the BBS doesn't do anything mate :-)

emailing Wade is your best bet. Just make sure you name the email " Newgorunds help" so he actually gets it

At 6/19/05 02:22 PM, LedgendaryLukus wrote: Although, as an englishman, I love it when we torment the French.

Don't we all?

It is my view that after the recent NO vote in France, Chirac has thrown up a cover for his failure by concentrating on battling the British in the 'rebate issue', all for a last ditch attempt to save his sorry hide.

I love how the french want us to give up our rebate and yet they refuse to even negoiate over the CAP. The CAP is a load of shit. If theyw ant us to negotiate the rebate they should be prepared to negotiate the CAP.

As a Brit, I don't even consider myself part of Europe. Does anyone else feel like that? Not you Americans of course I KNOW you arent part of Europe.

I feel the same way. Britian is not a apr tof Europe in my eyes. I think it should be as.lets face it, both world wars were started in europe. if we could become a par tof Europe then we might be able to actually stop any disbutes between the European nations.

Chances of that happening?

Zero Percent.

Back to the point. Recent discussions in the Union has turned to pointless bickering. In my view the EU will never truly be a 'Union' or a power capable of standing up to the other superpowers in the world.

You are right Europe never will become a superpower. At leats not untill Chirac and the french relaise thye can't have everything their own way.

At 6/19/05 12:42 PM, WithoutCease wrote: WithoutCease = back.

Did I miss anything?

Not really. Go up rwead through story I submitted and review please :-)

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HAs anyone got roudn to looking at bloodline yet? Idon't wanna do any more to it untill I have some reviews. ther eis one bit I don't think is very good and I need opinions people :-(

At 6/19/05 09:10 AM, DuskSkull wrote: Hmmm.... I don't like the way he tried to pick up Eccleston, that's what no Doctor should do, as he has evolved. He isn't the same, he has a new personality etc. well, we'll see at Christmas.

We don't know what his personality is yet. It might be similar to ecclestons but with subtle differences. Don't judge him till you see the xmas specials :P

At 6/18/05 05:35 PM, Rhino106 wrote: I'm guessing that he'll grow on me, but its just his look. These are just my first impressions.

It's the clothes. Were used to seeing eccleston in that leather JAcket. hopefully they will change the clothes and giv ehim soemthign different to show that its a dfferent perosn with a different personality.

At 6/18/05 05:05 PM, SpiffyMcPerson wrote: E-mail is more damaging to your IQ than marijuana.

That is news to me.

That is because 30 percent liked it enough to continue smoking on a weekly basis. That in no way means that there is a physical addiction.

A physical addiciton is when the bodies chemical levels shift. When they return to normal the affects on the person usually make them feel like shit. So to counteract this they use more drugs to change the balance in their body so they feel better.

I never siad that was what happened. You and everyone else is right. Marijuana isn't a physical ddiciton it is a physcological one.

But my point still stands. The more you use a drug, the more you body builds up a resistance to it. Which means you need more of the drug to get the desired afefcts. As the amount of drugs used increases so does the chane of gettong the side-effects.

And as for the bad side effects - it is rare that marijuana can cause major psychological damage, and then it's usually in chronic smokers.

any one who smokes the stuff can become a chronic smoker. That is the nature of anything that is addicitve (whether physically or Pschologically) most people who have their first fag think " Hey I'll just have it this once" and then theya r eone 20 a dya for life. What the hell is gonna stop that from happening to people who smoke MArijuana?

If cigarettes are legal, pot should be legal too

No it shouldn't as Cigarettes shouldn't be legal either. If the affects of Smoking was known to the governments thta legalised smoking I don't think they would have made it legal.

Personally I think it would be better if somebody could synthesize THC so it could be delivered in a less harmful way.

What would be even better would be to isolate what caused the high in the THC ( no idea if that's posisble or not) so there are no risks what so ever.

And yes I know I said I wouldn't post in here again bu I realised how stupid it was for me to say that :-\ So yeah....sorry for being a prat.

At 6/18/05 05:13 PM, DuskSkull wrote: What do you think of the 10th Doctor, David Tenant? I don't like the look or manner of him, he'd better be good when it comes to actually acting....

Its his dream part. He said the whole reason he became an actor was to play the Doctor. So he will give it 100% whether or not he is as good as eccleston? Only time will tell but either way at leats they are continuing the series. even if Tenant sucks they cna just use another regenration tog et someone better in.

At 6/18/05 05:26 PM, Tri-Nitro-Toluene wrote: it scared the shit out of me.

That last bit should be between the bit about the unquiet dead and my mate making the prank phonecall. it was the phonecall that scared me not the Unquiet dead.

I hate not having an edit button >:-(